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[Nikitas]

Quote from an interview I got from a US navy pilot some years ago:

"nothing flies in a radius of 1200 miles from the Saratoga unless we say so"

The Saratoga is the air craft carrier of the 6th fleet.

Obviously neither side wants to shoot at the other, them being allies in NATO etc, but can you honestly see the Turkish navy arresting a US ship on the high seas because it carried out searches on the continental shelf belonging to yet another state? Apart from the obvious issue of the interest of a US company etc there is the other issue, of letting Turkey or any other second rate nation dictate to the US where its ships can and cannot go. This is one area where the Americans are adamant.

The first message to Turkey came from Egypt, when the foreign minister told them to bug off. The second and louder message came from the US State Department spokesman when he stressed that the area in question belongs to Cyprus and only Cyprus. Turkey apparently did not understand the meaning behind these messages.

[YFred]

Quote from an interview I got from a US navy pilot some years ago:

"nothing flies in a radius of 1200 miles from the Saratoga unless we say so"

The Saratoga is the air craft carrier of the 6th fleet.

Obviously neither side wants to shoot at the other, them being allies in NATO etc, but can you honestly see the Turkish navy arresting a US ship on the high seas because it carried out searches on the continental shelf belonging to yet another state? Apart from the obvious issue of the interest of a US company etc there is the other issue, of letting Turkey or any other second rate nation dictate to the US where its ships can and cannot go. This is one area where the Americans are adamant.

The first message to Turkey came from Egypt, when the foreign minister told them to bug off. The second and louder message came from the US State Department spokesman when he stressed that the area in question belongs to Cyprus and only Cyprus. Turkey apparently did not understand the meaning behind these messages.

You should not put too much faith in people who believe in their own propaganda.
Was this Pilot asked about and how did he explain this?

Suicide bomb attack that left up to 17 American sailors dead and crippled the destroyer Cole, one of the US fleet's most sophisticated vessels.

Are they really that good?
Don't believe what Miltiades says about USA and her soldiers. Despite all the superiority they have in their technology, they are crap at soldiering.

[Kifeas]

Joe wrote:
"We may find Turkey's bullying tactic unacceptable and its actions as arrogant but there is nothing that can be done about it."

Well, I cannot tell for sure if the 6th US Naval fleet, which sails in the region, will not intervene to safeguard the legally binding interests of a major US petroleum company, but for sure Turkey's much needed and cherished EU accession Energy chapter will not open, and even more chapters will be frozen.

Kifeas, why has USA not intervened in the interest of Greece, or are the Greeks too stupid to realise to use American Companies.

Secondly you are underestimating the importance USA and EU puts on their friendship with Turkey.

You may be surprised when both Greece and Cyprus is dumped for friendship with Turkey.

Of all people you should be able to see that If RoC needs an agreement with Egypt, Israel and Lebanon to search for oil, she will also need an agreement with Turkey.
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I do not know what exactly you mean with Greece, Turkey and the US, but I have a feeling the two issues are not the same, nor related or connected in any way or sense. I have no doubt that Turkey has no case and no luck in this issue, as it is totally outside any sense of international legality. You are free to live with your wishful thinking, until you realize the fact.

[YFred]

Joe wrote:
"We may find Turkey's bullying tactic unacceptable and its actions as arrogant but there is nothing that can be done about it."

Well, I cannot tell for sure if the 6th US Naval fleet, which sails in the region, will not intervene to safeguard the legally binding interests of a major US petroleum company, but for sure Turkey's much needed and cherished EU accession Energy chapter will not open, and even more chapters will be frozen.

Kifeas, why has USA not intervened in the interest of Greece, or are the Greeks too stupid to realise to use American Companies.

Secondly you are underestimating the importance USA and EU puts on their friendship with Turkey.

You may be surprised when both Greece and Cyprus is dumped for friendship with Turkey.

Of all people you should be able to see that If RoC needs an agreement with Egypt, Israel and Lebanon to search for oil, she will also need an agreement with Turkey.
.

I do not know what exactly you mean with Greece, Turkey and the US, but I have a feeling the two issues are not the same, nor related or connected in any way or sense. I have no doubt that Turkey has no case and no luck in this issue, as it is totally outside any sense of international legality. You are free to live with your wishful thinking, until you realize the fact.

I was referring to the exploration of oil in the Aegean sea and the use of American companies to do the job so that they have the protection of the sixth fleet.

[Nikitas]

YFred, you are comparing unequal things. Are you suggesting that the Turkish naval commanders will send a fishing boat to attack the Saratoga? I think not.

I have been on the Saratoga twice, and saw the way the ship is run. The escort group of the Saratoga numbers some 40 ships, the whole thing is data linked to satellite feeds that show all air and naval movements in a very wide radius. The ship carries about 100 fighter planes. It can turn a major sized country to dust.

As for the Cole. The sailors in the Cole reacted imemdiately and controlled the fire in a matter of minutes. The Cole survived and is sailing now. The Kocatepe did not survive a friendly fire attack in 1974. The American lost 17 sailors to hostile fire, the Turks lost 150 plus sailors to friendly bombs. .

But the issue is not who would come out best from a hot incident. The issue is whether the USA or any other major power will accept the Turkish assertion that nothing happens in the eastern Med without their say so. Egypt has alread given its response to that idea. So has America and the EU.

[Kifeas]

Joe wrote:
"We may find Turkey's bullying tactic unacceptable and its actions as arrogant but there is nothing that can be done about it."

Well, I cannot tell for sure if the 6th US Naval fleet, which sails in the region, will not intervene to safeguard the legally binding interests of a major US petroleum company, but for sure Turkey's much needed and cherished EU accession Energy chapter will not open, and even more chapters will be frozen.

Kifeas, why has USA not intervened in the interest of Greece, or are the Greeks too stupid to realise to use American Companies.

Secondly you are underestimating the importance USA and EU puts on their friendship with Turkey.

You may be surprised when both Greece and Cyprus is dumped for friendship with Turkey.

Of all people you should be able to see that If RoC needs an agreement with Egypt, Israel and Lebanon to search for oil, she will also need an agreement with Turkey.
.

I do not know what exactly you mean with Greece, Turkey and the US, but I have a feeling the two issues are not the same, nor related or connected in any way or sense. I have no doubt that Turkey has no case and no luck in this issue, as it is totally outside any sense of international legality. You are free to live with your wishful thinking, until you realize the fact.

I was referring to the exploration of oil in the Aegean sea and the use of American companies to do the job so that they have the protection of the sixth fleet.

YFred, do you have any quotes to back up your claims regarding the use or involvement of American companies in the Aegean, or are you improvising out of your ass? Furthermore, there aren't any serious petroleum reserves in the Aegean, otherwise Greek Navy is quite a match to the Turkish one, to defend Greece's continental rights.

[YFred]

YFred, you are comparing unequal things. Are you suggesting that the Turkish naval commanders will send a fishing boat to attack the Saratoga? I think not.

I have been on the Saratoga twice, and saw the way the ship is run. The escort group of the Saratoga numbers some 40 ships, the whole thing is data linked to satellite feeds that show all air and naval movements in a very wide radius. The ship carries about 100 fighter planes. It can turn a major sized country to dust.

As for the Cole. The sailors in the Cole reacted imemdiately and controlled the fire in a matter of minutes. The Cole survived and is sailing now. The Kocatepe did not survive a friendly fire attack in 1974. The American lost 17 sailors to hostile fire, the Turks lost 150 plus sailors to friendly bombs. .

But the issue is not who would come out best from a hot incident. The issue is whether the USA or any other major power will accept the Turkish assertion that nothing happens in the eastern Med without their say so. Egypt has alread given its response to that idea. So has America and the EU.

Anyone can give a verbal response. The question is when push comes to shove, who will do what. In this world of diminishing resources, everyone will fight for what resources they can. Turkey is no different in that what ever resources exist in the eastern Med, they will want a share of it. Is that really being a bully or looking after ones own interests?

Regards to Cole incident, it is just to prove to you that they are not as good as they pretend to be.