askimwos wrote:Correct me if wrong but I think the last time a country tried to go against US oil interests was IRAQ back in the nighty's. Saddam was fool enough to invade Kuweit...
Hmmm...
Les,na?...
US bid for Cyprus oil irks Turks
by EPSILON » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:38 am
Les,na?...
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by askimwos » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:48 am
No epsilon, I don't think that Turkey are such fools to make a move against US oil interests..they will shout and bark all they want but at the end of the day they will do as their master pleases and shut up..
Just a threat from the US to cut IMF funds to Turkey will be enough to sent the Turkish stock exchange crashing...and the turks begging for forgiveness...
Not a single bullet need to be fired
Just a threat from the US to cut IMF funds to Turkey will be enough to sent the Turkish stock exchange crashing...and the turks begging for forgiveness...
Not a single bullet need to be fired
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by Oracle » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:54 am
Ankara is tense because of the petrol-searches around Cyprus
Дата: 30 May 2009 :: 15:02:22
Turkey is preparing a scene of jealousy after the American Embassy in Cyprus announced their intentions to launch petrol- and natural gas- searching operations in the open sea around Cyprus. The operations will be conducted in the so-called Sole economic area. The Greek foreign policy ministry qualified the Turkish ministry’s position as “unproductive” and demanded that the search for carbohydrate substances is not mixed up with the Cyprus issue.
A Turkish officer, who requested anonymity, declared in front of “Huriet” newspaper that the Turkish navy is on the watch and will interfere in case of the American company starting the researches in the Mediterranean. Frank Urbanchik, the American ambassador in Nicosia, solely announced that that the works of the American company, the name of which he did not mention, will begin shortly.
An extraordinary meeting of the Ministry of foreign policy was held in Ankara to asses the new situation and the only thing that became clear was that the Turkish parliament will try “not fall under the influence of the provocation it receives”. He believes that Nicosia should be given an answer but in order for this to happen, the appropriate timing is needed, and Cyprus’ possible reaction should be well examined. The Turks have rated the petrol in the area as worth 400bil euro.
Nicosia, keeping the good tone, reminded the Turks that, having become a member of the UN and the EU, Cyprus has the full right to sign contracts on the use of its marine and submarine property with whichever country it decides. Nicosia diplomats made the suggestion that the warnings on the Turkish part are closely related to the pressure on the Cyprus government to speed up the Cyprus issue procedures until the beginning of December this year, when the assessment on Turkey’s progress in regard to its joining the EU will be given.
Source: GRREPORTER.INFO
Дата: 30 May 2009 :: 15:02:22
Turkey is preparing a scene of jealousy after the American Embassy in Cyprus announced their intentions to launch petrol- and natural gas- searching operations in the open sea around Cyprus. The operations will be conducted in the so-called Sole economic area. The Greek foreign policy ministry qualified the Turkish ministry’s position as “unproductive” and demanded that the search for carbohydrate substances is not mixed up with the Cyprus issue.
A Turkish officer, who requested anonymity, declared in front of “Huriet” newspaper that the Turkish navy is on the watch and will interfere in case of the American company starting the researches in the Mediterranean. Frank Urbanchik, the American ambassador in Nicosia, solely announced that that the works of the American company, the name of which he did not mention, will begin shortly.
An extraordinary meeting of the Ministry of foreign policy was held in Ankara to asses the new situation and the only thing that became clear was that the Turkish parliament will try “not fall under the influence of the provocation it receives”. He believes that Nicosia should be given an answer but in order for this to happen, the appropriate timing is needed, and Cyprus’ possible reaction should be well examined. The Turks have rated the petrol in the area as worth 400bil euro.
Nicosia, keeping the good tone, reminded the Turks that, having become a member of the UN and the EU, Cyprus has the full right to sign contracts on the use of its marine and submarine property with whichever country it decides. Nicosia diplomats made the suggestion that the warnings on the Turkish part are closely related to the pressure on the Cyprus government to speed up the Cyprus issue procedures until the beginning of December this year, when the assessment on Turkey’s progress in regard to its joining the EU will be given.
Source: GRREPORTER.INFO
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by Kikapu » Mon Jun 01, 2009 12:59 pm
What ever happened to all that recent much celebrated so called "new friendship" between the US and Turkey has gone to.?
I did state not so long ago, that there was no such "new friendship" between US and Turkey, but only enough tolerance was given by the US to keep Turkey in check, just so that they do not think of doing anything silly, like becoming an Islamic state. This is the second time that Turkey has reacted strongly against the US since Obama's visit to Turkey only 2 months ago. I also stated at that time, that Obama's trip to Turkey on his first official trip to Europe was to get it "out of the way" since any would be trip in the future to Turkey by Obama will be far less receptive than the last one was.
This will be the second time that the Americans have used their ways to keep Turkey from getting close to any oil fields. The first was to deny Turkey any access to the oil fields in Northern Iraq of Kirkuk, which with the Americans help, they are in the hands of the Iraqi Kurds. Now an American oil company has been awarded the exploration and drilling rights for the Cypriot's potential oil. Just as Turkey was powerless in getting to the Kirkuk's oil fields, they will be powerless to get to the Cypriot's potential oil fields. With the Americans it is very clear, that "Oil talks and BS walks" and no amount of "new friendship" with Turkey as stated recently by Obama during his addressing the Turkish Parliament will they allow such rich resources to be ignored just for the sake of "new friendships" with anyone, including Turkey.!
I did state not so long ago, that there was no such "new friendship" between US and Turkey, but only enough tolerance was given by the US to keep Turkey in check, just so that they do not think of doing anything silly, like becoming an Islamic state. This is the second time that Turkey has reacted strongly against the US since Obama's visit to Turkey only 2 months ago. I also stated at that time, that Obama's trip to Turkey on his first official trip to Europe was to get it "out of the way" since any would be trip in the future to Turkey by Obama will be far less receptive than the last one was.
This will be the second time that the Americans have used their ways to keep Turkey from getting close to any oil fields. The first was to deny Turkey any access to the oil fields in Northern Iraq of Kirkuk, which with the Americans help, they are in the hands of the Iraqi Kurds. Now an American oil company has been awarded the exploration and drilling rights for the Cypriot's potential oil. Just as Turkey was powerless in getting to the Kirkuk's oil fields, they will be powerless to get to the Cypriot's potential oil fields. With the Americans it is very clear, that "Oil talks and BS walks" and no amount of "new friendship" with Turkey as stated recently by Obama during his addressing the Turkish Parliament will they allow such rich resources to be ignored just for the sake of "new friendships" with anyone, including Turkey.!
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by Oracle » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:39 pm
Mine too ....
... I already posted that article on page 2 of this thread
I reckon they are hungry for another "US Marines blowing Turks out of the water" type of Blockbuster movie.
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by Nikitas » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:55 pm
A reminder of what the Americans mean when they use the phrase "US interests". A few years ago a Greek urban guerilla band placed fire bombs in a totally Greek owned Jeep car shop. Several cars were damaged. The next day the US embassy in Athens issued a statement saying that the attack was against US interests.
The Americans take their business vry seriously!
The statements about the oil exploration harming the talks is the clumsy carrot held out by the Turks. After the flood of illegal property sales of GC land to foreigners this carrot is becomeing increasingly less attractive. The same goes for the runification prospect of reuniting with a statelet overrun by imported settlers.
If they expect the south to forego oil exploration something much more attractive will have to be used as bait. Like removing all settlers, handing back Famagusta, and demilitarising the island.
Since none of the above will be done they are also brandishing the stick, (unavoidable accompaniment of the carrot) which is what exactly? They will attack the south? Sink the exploration vessels? Sue RoC at the ICJ? None of it sounds very impressive and they know it.
It is another instance of Turkey being caught up in that geopolitical time warp of its own making. Let them solve their problem themselves.
The Americans take their business vry seriously!
The statements about the oil exploration harming the talks is the clumsy carrot held out by the Turks. After the flood of illegal property sales of GC land to foreigners this carrot is becomeing increasingly less attractive. The same goes for the runification prospect of reuniting with a statelet overrun by imported settlers.
If they expect the south to forego oil exploration something much more attractive will have to be used as bait. Like removing all settlers, handing back Famagusta, and demilitarising the island.
Since none of the above will be done they are also brandishing the stick, (unavoidable accompaniment of the carrot) which is what exactly? They will attack the south? Sink the exploration vessels? Sue RoC at the ICJ? None of it sounds very impressive and they know it.
It is another instance of Turkey being caught up in that geopolitical time warp of its own making. Let them solve their problem themselves.
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by Kikapu » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:15 pm
Nikitas wrote:A reminder of what the Americans mean when they use the phrase "US interests". A few years ago a Greek urban guerilla band placed fire bombs in a totally Greek owned Jeep car shop. Several cars were damaged. The next day the US embassy in Athens issued a statement saying that the attack was against US interests.
The Americans take their business vry seriously!
The statements about the oil exploration harming the talks is the clumsy carrot held out by the Turks. After the flood of illegal property sales of GC land to foreigners this carrot is becomeing increasingly less attractive. The same goes for the runification prospect of reuniting with a statelet overrun by imported settlers.
If they expect the south to forego oil exploration something much more attractive will have to be used as bait. Like removing all settlers, handing back Famagusta, and demilitarising the island.
Since none of the above will be done they are also brandishing the stick, (unavoidable accompaniment of the carrot) which is what exactly? They will attack the south? Sink the exploration vessels? Sue RoC at the ICJ? None of it sounds very impressive and they know it.
It is another instance of Turkey being caught up in that geopolitical time warp of its own making. Let them solve their problem themselves.
The statements about the oil exploration harming the talks is the clumsy carrot held out by the Turks.
I agree Nikitas. If anything, the ECJ ruling and the possible oil discovery is a plus for the negotiations. It makes the talks far more honest and clear as to what it is that the politicians need to do under the International and EU laws to reach a settlement so that individuals will NOT seek court rulings after a settlement is reached to satisfy their own personal needs. Now, the possible oil findings in a unified Cyprus can only mean benefits for everyone through the central Federal Government of Cyprus. When things are clear and are in the open, people are in better position to make decisions about their future. The above two subjects will help Cypriots to see their way through to a better future easier, hence will vote for a settlement.
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by -mikkie2- » Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:44 pm
"The above two subjects will help Cypriots to see their way through to a better future easier, hence will vote for a settlement."
I like your optimism, Kikapu, but unfortunately, even if things are given to us Cypriots on a silver platter, we have this uncanny knack of making a dogs dinner of it. I don't trust our politicians to make the best use of these opportunities other than to point-score against eachother which just about summs up Cypriot politics.
I like your optimism, Kikapu, but unfortunately, even if things are given to us Cypriots on a silver platter, we have this uncanny knack of making a dogs dinner of it. I don't trust our politicians to make the best use of these opportunities other than to point-score against eachother which just about summs up Cypriot politics.
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