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[halil]

Confidence in EU role weakened
22.05.2009

Ozcan Ozcanhan


Presidential Spokesman, Hasan Ercakica, at his weekly press conference, has been highly critical of the European Union (EU), of Greek Cypriot President Demetris Christofias and of Foreign Minister Marcos Kyprianou.
Despite the fact that the Swedish Foreign Minister, Carl Bilt, described the Cyprus Issue as the most important problem before the EU, the EU has lost its capacity to play a positive role in the Cyprus Problem, according to Ercakica. He said that the EU`s role had been adversely affected by the Greek Cypriot efforts to use the EU against the Turkish Cypriot people.
Ercakica was astonished by the distortion of facts and the placing responsibility on Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots at a time when talks continued between the leaders of the two peoples. Efforts to present the Cyprus problem as a dispute between Greek Cypriots, Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots were astounding. Ercakica referred to a conference in London by Marcos Kyprianou and said: “He claimed that they had no difficulties other than their problem with Turkey. He placed all the responsibility on Turkey for a Cyprus settlement.”
The Presidential Spokesperson stressed that the negative endeavours to isolate Turkish Cypriots and to dominate the whole of Cyprus demonstrated the extent of the threat to the negotiation process.
In reply to a question concerning the opening of the Yesilirmak-Limnitis crossing point at Tylliria, Ercakica said, “We are ready for the opening of the checkpoint. For us it is not a subject for discussion.” However, he underlined that the transportation of goods and the travel of civilians - apart from military supplies and equipment - to Erenkoy by land should be allowed by Greek Cypriot authorities and the military.
It will be recalled that demonstrations and protests were recently organised by Greek Cypriots of the region for the immediate opening of the crossing. President Talat responded by declaring that the Turkish side was not opposed to the opening but electricity, a basic necessity should be supplied to Erenkoy, where there was only a symbolic military presence. Transportation of food, fuel and other essential supplies to the Turkish Cypriots at Erenkoy should be made over land. Transportation by sea was more difficult and more expensive.
President Talat is faced also by demands from the Turkish Cypriot villagers to find a middle way, an acceptable deal for the opening of Yesilirmak. The controversy is deep rooted. Tylliria was the scene of fierce fighting following the onslaught in August 1964 by armed forces of General Grivas, Greek troops and the National Guard from land and sea. The Turkish village was besieged and bombarded relentlessly from gunboats and tanks. It was the timely intervention of the Turkish air force that stopped the ferocious attacks aimed at wiping out the ‘spearhead’ as was described by the Greek military, for a Turkish landing. Many innocent civilians, women, children and elderly lost their lives before the very eyes of the Danish and Swedish UN Peace Keeping troops.
Now, after 45 years, relations between the inhabitants of the area have improved. The Turkish side, despite the mistrust still in their hearts, under the leadership of President Talat, are ready and willing to open the crossing point, provided equivalent understanding and cooperation is extended by the opposite side.
The Greek Cypriot media and political leaders have to encourage peaceful steps and approaches from both sides, to pave the way for further confidence building measures.
President Christofias and Marcos Kyprianou can better serve Cyprus and the two peoples by avoiding inflammatory statements and efforts to put all the blame, all the time, on the Turkish side. If Christofias means what he says about a settlement before the expiry of the term of office of president Talat, he has to be more compromising and helpful.
Mr. Kyprianou should also, remember what he had told me in our last exclusive interview. We want a peaceful, honourable solution, better relations with Turkey and our compatriots. A settlement without Turkey is inconceivable.
President Talat, I assure them, will do everything possible within his power for the benefit of all the people of the island.
All that is needed is guts to recognise the equal existence of Turkish Cypriots and their self rule, as well as their rights in a bi-zonal, bi-communal federal Cyprus republic with two constituent, founding states, as mentioned in the Annan Plan.
Let no one waste more time on words and interpretations.

[james_mav]

Confidence in EU role weakened
22.05.2009

Ozcan Ozcanhan


Presidential Spokesman, Hasan Ercakica, at his weekly press conference, has been highly critical of the European Union (EU), of Greek Cypriot President Demetris Christofias and of Foreign Minister Marcos Kyprianou.
Despite the fact that the Swedish Foreign Minister, Carl Bilt, described the Cyprus Issue as the most important problem before the EU, the EU has lost its capacity to play a positive role in the Cyprus Problem, according to Ercakica. He said that the EU`s role had been adversely affected by the Greek Cypriot efforts to use the EU against the Turkish Cypriot people.
Ercakica was astonished by the distortion of facts and the placing responsibility on Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots at a time when talks continued between the leaders of the two peoples. Efforts to present the Cyprus problem as a dispute between Greek Cypriots, Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots were astounding. Ercakica referred to a conference in London by Marcos Kyprianou and said: “He claimed that they had no difficulties other than their problem with Turkey. He placed all the responsibility on Turkey for a Cyprus settlement.”
The Presidential Spokesperson stressed that the negative endeavours to isolate Turkish Cypriots and to dominate the whole of Cyprus demonstrated the extent of the threat to the negotiation process.
In reply to a question concerning the opening of the Yesilirmak-Limnitis crossing point at Tylliria, Ercakica said, “We are ready for the opening of the checkpoint. For us it is not a subject for discussion.” However, he underlined that the transportation of goods and the travel of civilians - apart from military supplies and equipment - to Erenkoy by land should be allowed by Greek Cypriot authorities and the military.
It will be recalled that demonstrations and protests were recently organised by Greek Cypriots of the region for the immediate opening of the crossing. President Talat responded by declaring that the Turkish side was not opposed to the opening but electricity, a basic necessity should be supplied to Erenkoy, where there was only a symbolic military presence. Transportation of food, fuel and other essential supplies to the Turkish Cypriots at Erenkoy should be made over land. Transportation by sea was more difficult and more expensive.
President Talat is faced also by demands from the Turkish Cypriot villagers to find a middle way, an acceptable deal for the opening of Yesilirmak. The controversy is deep rooted. Tylliria was the scene of fierce fighting following the onslaught in August 1964 by armed forces of General Grivas, Greek troops and the National Guard from land and sea. The Turkish village was besieged and bombarded relentlessly from gunboats and tanks. It was the timely intervention of the Turkish air force that stopped the ferocious attacks aimed at wiping out the ‘spearhead’ as was described by the Greek military, for a Turkish landing. Many innocent civilians, women, children and elderly lost their lives before the very eyes of the Danish and Swedish UN Peace Keeping troops.
Now, after 45 years, relations between the inhabitants of the area have improved. The Turkish side, despite the mistrust still in their hearts, under the leadership of President Talat, are ready and willing to open the crossing point, provided equivalent understanding and cooperation is extended by the opposite side.
The Greek Cypriot media and political leaders have to encourage peaceful steps and approaches from both sides, to pave the way for further confidence building measures.
President Christofias and Marcos Kyprianou can better serve Cyprus and the two peoples by avoiding inflammatory statements and efforts to put all the blame, all the time, on the Turkish side. If Christofias means what he says about a settlement before the expiry of the term of office of president Talat, he has to be more compromising and helpful.
Mr. Kyprianou should also, remember what he had told me in our last exclusive interview. We want a peaceful, honourable solution, better relations with Turkey and our compatriots. A settlement without Turkey is inconceivable.
President Talat, I assure them, will do everything possible within his power for the benefit of all the people of the island.
All that is needed is guts to recognise the equal existence of Turkish Cypriots and their self rule, as well as their rights in a bi-zonal, bi-communal federal Cyprus republic with two constituent, founding states, as mentioned in the Annan Plan.
Let no one waste more time on words and interpretations.

Pretty standard turk propaganda.

[waldorf]

Halil, old pal, your spokesman ends as follows,".......with two constituent founding states, as mentioned in the Anan Plan. Let no one waste more time on words and interpretations."

Who exactly is wasting words and interpretations, when the overwhelming majority of the Greek speaking Cypriots, have already rejected the Anan Plan ?

[james_mav]

Halil, old pal, your spokesman ends as follows,".......with two constituent founding states, as mentioned in the Anan Plan. Let no one waste more time on words and interpretations."

Who exactly is wasting words and interpretations, when the overwhelming majority of the Greek speaking Cypriots, have already rejected the Anan Plan ?

Ironically, the Annan plan described a confederation rather than a federation. How quickly time flies - how is it possible that 5 short years ago the idea of a confederal solution was even uttered by the RoC officialdom?

[halil]

Halil, old pal, your spokesman ends as follows,".......with two constituent founding states, as mentioned in the Anan Plan. Let no one waste more time on words and interpretations."

Who exactly is wasting words and interpretations, when the overwhelming majority of the Greek speaking Cypriots, have already rejected the Anan Plan ?

nice to hear your voice my friend .

It is true AP is rejected by GC's . By looking all the past agreement both sides leaderships are agreed on Bi-zonal , Bi-communal solution . Try to remember what was agreed between Talat and Christofias begining of the talks . They said it will be bi-zonal ,bi-communal with two states .

here i would like to refresh our memories what our leaders were agreed before.
4 Points High Level Agreement (1977)
1. We are seeking an independent, non-aligned, bi-communal Federal Republic.
2. The territory under the administration of each community should be discussed in the light
of economic viability or productivity and land ownership.
3. Questions of principles like freedom of movement, freedom of settlement, the right of
property and other specific matters, are open for discussion taking into consideration the
fundamental basis of a bi-communal federal system and certain practical difficulties
which may arise for the Turkish Cypriot community.
4. The powers and functions of the Central Federal Government will be such as to
safeguard the unity of the country, having regard to the bi-communal character of the state.

Draft Framework Agreement on Cyprus, 29 March
1986

I.1 The Parties:
(a) Recommit themselves to the high-level agreements of 1977 and 1979;
(b) Indicate their determination to proceed, at the date referred to in paragraph
15.1 below, to the establishment of a Federal Republic that will be independent
and non-aligned, bi-communal as regards the federal constitutional aspect and bizonal
as regards the territorial aspect;

c) Reaffirm their acceptance of those introductory constitutional provisions that
were agreed upon at the intercommunal talks in 1981-82;
(i) The Federal Republic of Cyprus shall have international personality. The federal
government shall exercise sovereignty in respect of all of the territory. The
attributes of international personality shall be exercised by the federal government
in accordance with the federal constitution. The provinces or federated states may
act in their areas of competence in accordance with the federal constitution and in
a manner that would not duplicate the powers and functions of the federal
government as defined in the federal constitution.
(ii) The people of the Federal Republic shall comprise the Greek Cypriot community
and the Turkish Cypriot community. There shall be a single citizenship of the
Federal Republic of Cyprus regulated by federal law.
(iii) The territory of the Federal Republic shall comprise the two provinces or
federated states.
(iv) The official languages of the Federal Republic shall be Greek and Turkish. The
English language may also be used.
(v) The Federal Republic shall have a neutral flag and anthem to be agreed. Each
province or federated state may have its own flag using mainly elements of the
federal flag. The federal flag shall be flown on federal buildings and federal
locations to the exclusion of any other flag.
(vi) The federal government shall observe the holidays of the Federal Republic.
Each province or federated state shall observe the federal holidays as well as those
established by it.


so above one goes on .........


have a look what they said after Annan plan.

March agreement.
They reaffirmed their commitment to a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation with political equality, as defined by relevant Security Council resolutions. This partnership will have a Federal Government with a single international personality, as well as a Turkish Cypriot Constituent State and a Greek Cypriot Constituent State, which will be of equal status.


Soon draft framework will come out . Give and Take will start and properly end of the 2009 or middle of the 2010 there will be referandom .TC's and GC's will decide again . We will see together what will be results agin . Hoping that they can find workable and acceptable formulas for both sides and we will end up Cyprus problem forever .


Have a nice day waldorf and give my best regards to all our friends in the pub ..... i might pop in one day to suprise all of u .....

[DT.]

Show me where you see the enlarged parts of the below statement in the agreements you just gave us halil.

All that is needed is guts to recognise the equal existence of Turkish Cypriots and their self rule, as well as their rights in a bi-zonal, bi-communal federal Cyprus republic with two constituent, founding states, as mentioned in the Annan Plan.

[halil]

DT ,
try to read again what both side leaders are agreed in march and declare front of the world press ant it was read by UN officials . Why they did not deny while UN was reading the agreement .Diplomasy it is not the kind of game that what u agreed or said before front of the UN observers and later on u can try to change it .

we will see together what will come out .... what ever we say no is worthless .... draft work will comeout very soon mate .... than give and take time .... than u and i can vote for it again .... i tell that time what is my feelings or thinking about it . Both sides worriers are all well known they have to find middle way of it ... there is no way .

[DT.]

DT ,
try to read again what both side leaders are agreed in march and declare front of the world press ant it was read by UN officials . Why they did not deny while UN was reading the agreement .Diplomasy it is not the kind of game that what u agreed or said before front of the UN observers and later on u can try to change it .

we will see together what will come out .... what ever we say no is worthless .... draft work will comeout very soon mate .... than give and take time .... than u and i can vote for it again .... i tell that time what is my feelings or thinking about it . Both sides worriers are all well known they have to find middle way of it ... there is no way .

Founding states is not in play here and neither is the tc right for self rule.