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[bill cobbett]

To PETCALLEDROS:

In your opening remarks you said most cypriot or Greek fascists hate Turks. Please define what you mean by Cypriot or Greek Fascists ? Also why would Turkish Cypriots hate Turks ?

Hate may be too strong a word, but the results of a survey into the attitudes of 10-13 year old Turkish Cypriot children conducted under the auspices of the UN -
http://www.csca.org.cy/unops/files/Muha ... tative.pdf
- reveals that nearly half (44.4%) of respondents admitted to disliking Turkish people from Turkey either a lot or a little.

So why indeed would they dislike them?

This table deserves a thread on its own. I thought VP and Zan speak on behalf of all TC's?

Sorry - I need Reading Glasses!

[YFred]

To PETCALLEDROS:

In your opening remarks you said most cypriot or Greek fascists hate Turks. Please define what you mean by Cypriot or Greek Fascists ? Also why would Turkish Cypriots hate Turks ?

Hate may be too strong a word, but the results of a survey into the attitudes of 10-13 year old Turkish Cypriot children conducted under the auspices of the UN -
http://www.csca.org.cy/unops/files/Muha ... tative.pdf
- reveals that nearly half (44.4%) of respondents admitted to disliking Turkish people from Turkey either a lot or a little.

So why indeed would they dislike them?

This table deserves a thread on its own. I thought VP and Zan speak on behalf of all TC's?

Sorry - I need Reading Glasses!

I've got a glass here but you can't have it, its got original Lurucadi Zivania in it.

[Tim Drayton]

More interestingly, I have found the Turkish language version of this table:

http://www.csca.org.cy/unops/files/Maka ... tative.pdf

(see below)

The term that has been translated as 'Greek' is in fact 'Rum' in the original. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Turkish Cypriots would interpret this term as referring not to Greeks in general (who would be 'Yunanlılar') but specifically to Greek Cypriots. In this light, I think the results are very interesting. For example, 20.6% of the survey say that they dislike Greek Cypriots a lot, which is a high number, but dwarfed by the 32% who express the same sentiment about Turkish Turks. On the other hand, close to one in three (30.9%) say that they like Greek Cypriots a lot.

It seems that 50 years of brainwashing by Denktash and the TMT has come to naught, and that Turkish Cypriot children prefer their Greek-speaking compatriots to people from the 'motherland'. Who said there was no such thing as Cypriotness?

[YFred]

More interestingly, I have found the Turkish language version of this table:

http://www.csca.org.cy/unops/files/Maka ... tative.pdf

(see below)

The term that has been translated as 'Greek' is in fact 'Rum' in the original. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Turkish Cypriots would interpret this term as referring not to Greeks in general (who would be 'Yunanlılar') but specifically to Greek Cypriots. In this light, I think the results are very interesting. For example, 20.6% of the survey say that they dislike Greek Cypriots a lot, which is a high number, but dwarfed by the 32% who express the same sentiment about Turkish Turks. On the other hand, close to one in three (30.9%) say that they like Greek Cypriots a lot.

It seems that 50 years of brainwashing by Denktash and the TMT has come to naught, and that Turkish Cypriot children prefer their Greek-speaking compatriots to people from the 'motherland'. Who said there was no such thing as Cypriotness?

Sorry to have to correct you but all Greeks are referred to as Rum, differentiated by either Kıbrıslı or Yunanlı. But I do agree with you in that TC schools no longer use the troubles in 63 or 67 to brainwash children in to hating GCs. Can the same be said of the GC schools of today?

[Tim Drayton]

More interestingly, I have found the Turkish language version of this table:

http://www.csca.org.cy/unops/files/Maka ... tative.pdf

(see below)

The term that has been translated as 'Greek' is in fact 'Rum' in the original. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Turkish Cypriots would interpret this term as referring not to Greeks in general (who would be 'Yunanlılar') but specifically to Greek Cypriots. In this light, I think the results are very interesting. For example, 20.6% of the survey say that they dislike Greek Cypriots a lot, which is a high number, but dwarfed by the 32% who express the same sentiment about Turkish Turks. On the other hand, close to one in three (30.9%) say that they like Greek Cypriots a lot.

It seems that 50 years of brainwashing by Denktash and the TMT has come to naught, and that Turkish Cypriot children prefer their Greek-speaking compatriots to people from the 'motherland'. Who said there was no such thing as Cypriotness?

Sorry to have to correct you but all Greeks are referred to as Rum, differentiated by either Kıbrıslı or Yunanlı. But I do agree with you in that TC schools no longer use the troubles in 63 or 67 to brainwash children in to hating GCs. Can the same be said of the GC schools of today?

It would certainly be interesting to see the results of a similar survey conducted amoung 10-13 year old Greek Cypriot childern.

[YFred]

More interestingly, I have found the Turkish language version of this table:

http://www.csca.org.cy/unops/files/Maka ... tative.pdf

(see below)

The term that has been translated as 'Greek' is in fact 'Rum' in the original. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but Turkish Cypriots would interpret this term as referring not to Greeks in general (who would be 'Yunanlılar') but specifically to Greek Cypriots. In this light, I think the results are very interesting. For example, 20.6% of the survey say that they dislike Greek Cypriots a lot, which is a high number, but dwarfed by the 32% who express the same sentiment about Turkish Turks. On the other hand, close to one in three (30.9%) say that they like Greek Cypriots a lot.

It seems that 50 years of brainwashing by Denktash and the TMT has come to naught, and that Turkish Cypriot children prefer their Greek-speaking compatriots to people from the 'motherland'. Who said there was no such thing as Cypriotness?

Sorry to have to correct you but all Greeks are referred to as Rum, differentiated by either Kıbrıslı or Yunanlı. But I do agree with you in that TC schools no longer use the troubles in 63 or 67 to brainwash children in to hating GCs. Can the same be said of the GC schools of today?

It would certainly be interesting to see the results of a similar survey conducted amoung 10-13 year old Greek Cypriot childern.

If the recent activities of the English school is anything to go by, they are back in the 16th Century.

[Byron]

Who said there was no such thing as Cypriotness? - Dryton

So how comes there is no common language !!!

[Petcalledros]

Well it's good the TCs prefer GCs. If only GCs would start preferring TCs to Greeks

[Kifeas]

Who said there was no such thing as Cypriotness? - Dryton

So how comes there is no common language !!!

Sorry Byron, but you have a very defective logic and I wouldn't recommend you to take an IQ test, as you will be very disappointed of the results. Who said to you that there must be a common language, for a country to exist as one unit to which all will feel allegiance to it? Does Switzerland have one common language? It has at least four, as a matter of fact! Don't they all feel Swiss, above all? Yes they do!

[Tim Drayton]

Who said there was no such thing as Cypriotness? - Dryton

So how comes there is no common language !!!

At one time virtually all Turkish Cypriots were fluent in the Cypriot dialect of Greek as well as in their own language - in common with Cypriot Armenians and Maronites today, so in a way at one time there was a common language. On the other had, there is a strong sense of national identity among the Swiss even though this country has four official languages, so the existence of a common language is not an absolute requirement for people to regard one another as compatriots