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[Petcalledros]

Thank you everyone for proving my point. Count all the Racist posts here. Were they really necessary?

[Petcalledros]

It's because of Racism the war started in 1963, it's because of Racism it is not ending now! Stop being racist!

The war didn't start in 1963, but in 1958. And yes, it was because of racism, because a small part of the population which was used to racist privileges on the expense of the rest of the Cypriot people, collaborated with foreign Imperialists in order to forcefully overwrite the democratically expressed will of the Cypriot people and gain Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of everybody else.

And yes, today the problem continues again because of racism, because the same minority (along with the same foreign Imperialists) continue to insist on racist discrimination and segregation of the Cypriot people, instead of accepting that all Cypriots should be equal citizens without racist discriminations based on the language they speak or the religion they follow.

You are a great example of this racism, since you support that the vast majority of Cypriots should be ethnically cleansed from their own homeland simply because they speak Greek and are Christians, in order to forcefully and artificially create some Turkish state on the land stolen from GCs. You, and similar partitionists, are the bigger racists in this forum. It is your racism against the Cypriot people, which started in 1571 and continues non-stop until today, which angers the Cypriot people and naturally makes them to hate you.

Sorry, you are right, it did start in 1958. However, if TCs didn't create a Turkish state, the TC community would not have any power over the island, as they were supposed to in the Zurich agreement of the Constitution. We were supposed to have a TC vice-president but ever since the (and correct the date if i'm wrong pls) on the 4th of march 1964 the power was released from them due to the changing of the constitution; thus making Cyprus under full GC control. Is that fair? And in 2004 it was infact the GC side that was against the re-unification and now that the TC party UBP is in office, i hardly see any resolutions in the near future...but i am now going off topic here

[polis]

Sorry, you are right, it did start in 1958. However, if TCs didn't create a Turkish state, the TC community would not have any power over the island, as they were supposed to in the Zurich agreement of the Constitution. We were supposed to have a TC vice-president but ever since the (and correct the date if i'm wrong pls) on the 4th of march 1964 the power was released from them due to the changing of the constitution; thus making Cyprus under full GC control. Is that fair? And in 2004 it was infact the GC side that was against the re-unification and now that the TC party UBP is in office, i hardly see any resolutions in the near future...but i am now going off topic here

Selective memory syndrome have we?

On the 30th December 1963 Kuchuk and Denktash gave a joint press conference to the foreign press announce to the reporters:

"The Cyprus Constitution is dead. There is no possibility of the Turkish Community living together with the Greek Community. Each Community must be a master of its own house." When asked if these means partition, Kuchuk, the Vice-President until then of the Republic, replied: "Call it partition if you like".

On the 10th January 1964 Kuchuk said in an interview with Le Monde:

"We want to create a separate state. We are already going ahead with the creation of a separate administration, we have our own police and telecommunications. After the London Conference, we will enlarge the area of our autonomy. As far as we are concerned, the Government of Archbishop Makarios no longer exists."

In yet another interview publishes in the "Special News Bulletin No. 16" of the Turkish Communal Chamer on the 11th January 1964, he said:

"We can no longer live together with the Greeks. Cyprus should be partitioned or must have some other form of government. Call it what you want.

I no longer consider myself the Vice-President of Cyprus because a legitimate government no longer exists in Cyprus.

If necessary Cypriot Turks would favour unification with Turkey which is their motherland."

(The excerpts are from Stella Soulioti's book "Fettered Independence")

You stopped having a Turkish Vice-President because he withdrew, or you withdrew him, in order to set up your own administration.

[Viewpoint]

Sorry, you are right, it did start in 1958. However, if TCs didn't create a Turkish state, the TC community would not have any power over the island, as they were supposed to in the Zurich agreement of the Constitution. We were supposed to have a TC vice-president but ever since the (and correct the date if i'm wrong pls) on the 4th of march 1964 the power was released from them due to the changing of the constitution; thus making Cyprus under full GC control. Is that fair? And in 2004 it was infact the GC side that was against the re-unification and now that the TC party UBP is in office, i hardly see any resolutions in the near future...but i am now going off topic here

Selective memory syndrome have we?

On the 30th December 1963 Kuchuk and Denktash gave a joint press conference to the foreign press announce to the reporters:

"The Cyprus Constitution is dead. There is no possibility of the Turkish Community living together with the Greek Community. Each Community must be a master of its own house." When asked if these means partition, Kuchuk, the Vice-President until then of the Republic, replied: "Call it partition if you like".

On the 10th January 1964 Kuchuk said in an interview with Le Monde:

"We want to create a separate state. We are already going ahead with the creation of a separate administration, we have our own police and telecommunications. After the London Conference, we will enlarge the area of our autonomy. As far as we are concerned, the Government of Archbishop Makarios no longer exists."

In yet another interview publishes in the "Special News Bulletin No. 16" of the Turkish Communal Chamer on the 11th January 1964, he said:

"We can no longer live together with the Greeks. Cyprus should be partitioned or must have some other form of government. Call it what you want.

I no longer consider myself the Vice-President of Cyprus because a legitimate government no longer exists in Cyprus.

If necessary Cypriot Turks would favour unification with Turkey which is their motherland."

(The excerpts are from Stella Soulioti's book "Fettered Independence")

You stopped having a Turkish Vice-President because he withdrew, or you withdrew him, in order to set up your own administration.[/quote

We were kicked out at gunpoint and not allowed back until we accepted Akritas...so we were left with no choice but to try and go it alone.

[polis]

Sorry, you are right, it did start in 1958. However, if TCs didn't create a Turkish state, the TC community would not have any power over the island, as they were supposed to in the Zurich agreement of the Constitution. We were supposed to have a TC vice-president but ever since the (and correct the date if i'm wrong pls) on the 4th of march 1964 the power was released from them due to the changing of the constitution; thus making Cyprus under full GC control. Is that fair? And in 2004 it was infact the GC side that was against the re-unification and now that the TC party UBP is in office, i hardly see any resolutions in the near future...but i am now going off topic here

Selective memory syndrome have we?

On the 30th December 1963 Kuchuk and Denktash gave a joint press conference to the foreign press announce to the reporters:

"The Cyprus Constitution is dead. There is no possibility of the Turkish Community living together with the Greek Community. Each Community must be a master of its own house." When asked if these means partition, Kuchuk, the Vice-President until then of the Republic, replied: "Call it partition if you like".

On the 10th January 1964 Kuchuk said in an interview with Le Monde:

"We want to create a separate state. We are already going ahead with the creation of a separate administration, we have our own police and telecommunications. After the London Conference, we will enlarge the area of our autonomy. As far as we are concerned, the Government of Archbishop Makarios no longer exists."

In yet another interview publishes in the "Special News Bulletin No. 16" of the Turkish Communal Chamer on the 11th January 1964, he said:

"We can no longer live together with the Greeks. Cyprus should be partitioned or must have some other form of government. Call it what you want.

I no longer consider myself the Vice-President of Cyprus because a legitimate government no longer exists in Cyprus.

If necessary Cypriot Turks would favour unification with Turkey which is their motherland."

(The excerpts are from Stella Soulioti's book "Fettered Independence")

You stopped having a Turkish Vice-President because he withdrew, or you withdrew him, in order to set up your own administration.[/quote

We were kicked out at gunpoint and not allowed back until we accepted Akritas...so we were left with no choice but to try and go it alone.

Ok, this being a non-disciminatory forum and all, this is the simplified version to cater for your IQ:

Petcalledros claimed that Kuchuk was thrown out unilaterally and arbritrarily from the Vice-Presidency by the Greek Cypriots on the 4th of March 1964. I am arguing on the basis of actual statements made by Kuchuk (the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President at the time) that he had already withdrawn from his position, declared the demise of the constitution and announced the formation of his own separate Turkish Cypriot administration in January 1963 within a week of the start of the "troubles".

[Viewpoint]

Sorry, you are right, it did start in 1958. However, if TCs didn't create a Turkish state, the TC community would not have any power over the island, as they were supposed to in the Zurich agreement of the Constitution. We were supposed to have a TC vice-president but ever since the (and correct the date if i'm wrong pls) on the 4th of march 1964 the power was released from them due to the changing of the constitution; thus making Cyprus under full GC control. Is that fair? And in 2004 it was infact the GC side that was against the re-unification and now that the TC party UBP is in office, i hardly see any resolutions in the near future...but i am now going off topic here

Selective memory syndrome have we?

On the 30th December 1963 Kuchuk and Denktash gave a joint press conference to the foreign press announce to the reporters:

"The Cyprus Constitution is dead. There is no possibility of the Turkish Community living together with the Greek Community. Each Community must be a master of its own house." When asked if these means partition, Kuchuk, the Vice-President until then of the Republic, replied: "Call it partition if you like".

On the 10th January 1964 Kuchuk said in an interview with Le Monde:

"We want to create a separate state. We are already going ahead with the creation of a separate administration, we have our own police and telecommunications. After the London Conference, we will enlarge the area of our autonomy. As far as we are concerned, the Government of Archbishop Makarios no longer exists."

In yet another interview publishes in the "Special News Bulletin No. 16" of the Turkish Communal Chamer on the 11th January 1964, he said:

"We can no longer live together with the Greeks. Cyprus should be partitioned or must have some other form of government. Call it what you want.

I no longer consider myself the Vice-President of Cyprus because a legitimate government no longer exists in Cyprus.

If necessary Cypriot Turks would favour unification with Turkey which is their motherland."

(The excerpts are from Stella Soulioti's book "Fettered Independence")

You stopped having a Turkish Vice-President because he withdrew, or you withdrew him, in order to set up your own administration.[/quote

We were kicked out at gunpoint and not allowed back until we accepted Akritas...so we were left with no choice but to try and go it alone.

Ok, this being a non-disciminatory forum and all, this is the simplified version to cater for your IQ:

Petcalledros claimed that Kuchuk was thrown out unilaterally and arbritrarily from the Vice-Presidency by the Greek Cypriots on the 4th of March 1964. I am arguing on the basis of actual statements made by Kuchuk (the Turkish Cypriot Vice-President at the time) that he had already withdrawn from his position, declared the demise of the constitution and announced the formation of his own separate Turkish Cypriot administration in January 1963 within a week of the start of the "troubles".

Faced with no other option what did you expect him to say?

PS I have risen about your IQ insult.

[Oracle]

Faced with no other option what did you expect him to say?

PS I have risen about your IQ insult.

Presumably, facing Democracy and equality for all, was never an option for Turks ....

(btw VP, good move not to attempt to counter insults about your 'intelligence' )

[Byron]

I just want to put to all of our attention of the Racism that Greeks do. I live in South Cyprus, i don't claim to be Greek however i am a Greek-Speaking Cypriot. In Cyprus, most Cypriot or Greek Fascists hate Turks. In Greece, most Greeks either hate Macedonians or Turks. I know in Turkey they make alot of Racism VS Armenians and Kurds.

We should put a stop to this now. Encourage our kids, relatives to be friendly towards other nations. It's because of Racism the war started in 1963, it's because of Racism it is not ending now! Stop being racist!

And a message to all GCs: If you hate turks for "occupying" your lands, don't blame Turks, blame the ARMY OF TURKEY AND THE TRNC (or in that case the Turkish Federative state of Northern Cyprus)!!!

Please define what is a GREEK FASCIST ?

TCs, don't hate Greeks for all the events from 1963-1974, blame the ARMIES OF GREECE AND R.o.CYPRUS

[Byron]

To PETCALLEDROS:

In your opening remarks you said most cypriot or Greek fascists hate Turks. Please define what you mean by Cypriot or Greek Fascists ? Also why would Turkish Cypriots hate Turks ?

[Petcalledros]

To PETCALLEDROS:

In your opening remarks you said most cypriot or Greek fascists hate Turks. Please define what you mean by Cypriot or Greek Fascists ? Also why would Turkish Cypriots hate Turks ?

Should of made that more clear: Greek Cypriot Fascists and Greek Fascist hate Turks. Is that more clear?