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[YFred]

Zan, you are an idiot!

NOTHING is really stopping you apart from Turkey and the prospect (in vain I may add) of keeping your ill gotten gains after 1974. You can just carry on living in your self imposed prison until the TC community becomes nothing.

I probably know more about the Cyprus problem than you could ever know. My family has suffered just as much by it as any other Cypriot.

Then you don't know your own government.. |You know the propaganda really well though....If your invitation to join with my full rights under the Zurich agreement were then It's news to me and the "RoC"

Careful now, Zan, you may wake them up.

[Tim Drayton]

Eroglu is visiting Ankara. I noticed the following interesting comments in Mehmet Levent’s column in Afrika:

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/modules.p ... artid=3594

He first provides a lengthy quote from an article which appeared in the UBP’s newspaper Güneş on 8 June 2009:

“If the population of the TRNC is not as rich as the population of fellow Mediterranean islands like Sicily, Sardinia, Crete, Malta, Rhodes and South Cyprus, and its economy has not been placed on a firm foundation, this is due in no small measure to the Cyprus problem. Yes, there have been mistakes on our part, and on that of the Motherland Turkey, but events within the Cyprus problem confront us as an undeniable reality and hamper our development. If we consider events within the construction sector alone this more than suffices to explain the situation in which we find ourselves. It is precisely with reference to all of these circumstances that Motherland Turkey-TRNC relations must be approached. It is necessary to approach the affair from a strategic viewpoint. Now that a sensitive period has once again been entered in the Cyprus problem, careful thought should be devoted to the purpose that would be served by considerably lowering the Turkish Cypriots’ standard of living. Of course the TRNC government needs to take measures to promote the private sector and reduce the size of the state sector, but this is not something that can happen all at once. Mr Eroğlu is a very experienced statesman who has his finger on the pulse of the Turkish Cypriot people. Serious attention and consideration must be devoted to his past and future pronouncements. Mr Gül and Mr Erdoğan are also politicians of great worth who have attained a great deal of experience. We are sure that they understand the strategic importance of the TRNC and do not regard matters in terms of a few hundred million TL. We trust them implicitly. God willing, they will open new horizons for both the Motherland and the TRNC; God willing the negotiations due to commence on Thursday in Ankara will bear tidings of good days to come.”

Levent then comments on the above:

As has been seen, the UBP government says that relations between Turkey and the TRNC need to be approached in strategic terms. And it drives home this message with the following striking wish and hope: “We are sure that they understand the strategic importance of the TRNC and do not regard matters in terms of a few hundred million TL.” It is no secret that the main theme behind Eroğlu’s visit is the economy and money. This obliges the UBP to say that the TRNC’s condition must not be measured in terms of a few hundred million. And in connection with this, another notable warning is “Now that a sensitive period has once again been entered in the Cyprus problem, careful thought should be devoted to the purpose that would be served by considerably lowering the Turkish Cypriots’ standard of living.” What this means is: do not insist on 13th salaries being abolished, COLA being scrapped or pensions being taxed and paid in instalments. Eroğlu, in the awareness that Turkey will place such demands before him, is giving advance warning. Let us see how effective this warning will be. And the extent to which Eroğlu will be able to put his foot down.

(My translations of both quotes.)

[EPSILON]

Zan, you are an idiot!

NOTHING is really stopping you apart from Turkey and the prospect (in vain I may add) of keeping your ill gotten gains after 1974. You can just carry on living in your self imposed prison until the TC community becomes nothing.

I probably know more about the Cyprus problem than you could ever know. My family has suffered just as much by it as any other Cypriot.

Then you don't know your own government.. |You know the propaganda really well though....If your invitation to join with my full rights under the Zurich agreement were then It's news to me and the "RoC"

Your reply Zan shows that your propaganta is doing very well. Believe me that ,if your side agree on Zurich status, Cristofias will sign the agreement before you be able to print it.

[Kikapu]

It is necessary to approach the affair from a strategic viewpoint.

Tim,

The above quote from UBP might make sense if the "trnc" was a recognised country or it was in a position to help Turkey into the EU and be able to give access to the oil fields of the southern coast of Cyprus. Non of the above are true so I don't know what leverage the UBP thinks it has to demand more money from Turkey so not to lose the same perks enjoyed by other small nations in the region. The only argument UBP can make to Turkey is by saying, "we are allowing you to maintain your military force on the island therefore you must give us what we demand" which will not go down too well with the Turkey. Turkey then will turn around and say, "fine, we are leaving tomorrow, therefore you sort yourself out with the GC's" which will be enough to stop Eroğlu in his tracks with a cold sweat running down his back. Besides, it is not in Turkey’s best interest for those living in the north to have a better living standards than those people in Turkey.!

[Oracle]

God willing, they will open new horizons for both the Motherland and the TRNC; God willing the negotiations due to commence on Thursday in Ankara will bear tidings of good days to come.”

They obviously thought Eroglu wanted money to build more Mosques ...

[Tim Drayton]

It is necessary to approach the affair from a strategic viewpoint.

Tim,

The above quote from UBP might make sense if the "trnc" was a recognised country or it was in a position to help Turkey into the EU and be able to give access to the oil fields of the southern coast of Cyprus. Non of the above are true so I don't know what leverage the UBP thinks it has to demand more money from Turkey so not to lose the same perks enjoyed by other small nations in the region. The only argument UBP can make to Turkey is by saying, "we are allowing you to maintain your military force on the island therefore you must give us what we demand" which will not go down too well with the Turkey. Turkey then will turn around and say, "fine, we are leaving tomorrow, therefore you sort yourself out with the GC's" which will be enough to stop Eroğlu in his tracks with a cold sweat running down his back. Besides, it is not in Turkey’s best interest for those living in the north to have a better living standards than those people in Turkey.!

It is very ironic that tax money collected from Turkish citizens, who enjoy a much lower standard of living than Turkish Cypriots, goes to keep the latter in comfortable, well-paid jobs in the bloated public sector.

It will be interesting to see how much money Eroglu is able to get on this visit. The truth is that unless he gets enough to keep government workers living in the style they have become accustomed to, there will be trouble. There are well organised Turkish Cypriot trade unions and, following the mass demonstrations that toppled Denktash, the populace can no longer be cowed. Turbulent days may lie ahead for the UBP government.

[YFred]

It is necessary to approach the affair from a strategic viewpoint.

Tim,

The above quote from UBP might make sense if the "trnc" was a recognised country or it was in a position to help Turkey into the EU and be able to give access to the oil fields of the southern coast of Cyprus. Non of the above are true so I don't know what leverage the UBP thinks it has to demand more money from Turkey so not to lose the same perks enjoyed by other small nations in the region. The only argument UBP can make to Turkey is by saying, "we are allowing you to maintain your military force on the island therefore you must give us what we demand" which will not go down too well with the Turkey. Turkey then will turn around and say, "fine, we are leaving tomorrow, therefore you sort yourself out with the GC's" which will be enough to stop Eroğlu in his tracks with a cold sweat running down his back. Besides, it is not in Turkey’s best interest for those living in the north to have a better living standards than those people in Turkey.!

It is very ironic that tax money collected from Turkish citizens, who enjoy a much lower standard of living than Turkish Cypriots, goes to keep the latter in comfortable, well-paid jobs in the bloated public sector.

It will be interesting to see how much money Eroglu is able to get on this visit. The truth is that unless he gets enough to keep government workers living in the style they have become accustomed to, there will be trouble. There are well organised Turkish Cypriot trade unions and, following the mass demonstrations that toppled Denktash, the populace can no longer be cowed. Turbulent days may lie ahead for the UBP government.

Tim please stop making such statements, it upsets Kiks and the rest of the more extreme GC forumers. How can the TC population have such power? Its beyond reason

[umit07]

@ Kikapu

Eroglu will get the dosh from turkey, even if it's not a 100 mil. Turkey always pays out it's the way they keep conrol.

@ Yfred

How the hell can you consider the TC's financial reliance on funds from Turkey as being in a "powerful" position?

[bill cobbett]

Listen boys, just make sure it's a gift and not a loan. You know the sort that will have to be repaid post any settlement. Thank you.

[YFred]

@ Kikapu

Eroglu will get the dosh from turkey, even if it's not a 100 mil. Turkey always pays out it's the way they keep conrol.

@ Yfred

How the hell can you consider the TC's financial reliance on funds from Turkey as being in a "powerful" position?

Calm down Umit, I was trying to wind up Kiks. I fully appreciate the position TCs find themselves in. However TCs and in particular UBP have some very powerful friends in Ankara., you know what I mean? Where national pride is not measured in terms of YTL.