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Kifeas

jocks!

do you mean jokes???

[gabaston]

sorry i mean jocks

[gabaston]

what are u on kifeas, please tell me so i can get some too.

[gabaston]

well corrected kifeas

now correct me. How the f did we commit atrocities against you when we couldnt leave the enclaves without being searched at the next road block.
National guard controlled almost every road.

show me our Akritas plan -

tell me about the gc babies in the bath that tc's machine gunned.

Kifeas you are a comedian who laughs at his own jokes.
In replying please keep to facts and negate your adjectives as they only make you appear to be immature. When replying please stick to things of which you personally know, and not biased reports, it may give your arguments some credibilty which most of your past posts have lacked.

[Kifeas]

what are u on kifeas, please tell me so i can get some too.

I do not have spare time gabaston. Sorry! You can always do some surfing or visit some bookstore or can speak to some people who can give you information. In the same way that I find the information I need. Furthermore I do not think I can be a good source of knowledge to you. I just do not feel I can convince you into anything, contrary to what you was made to believe all your life and which has become crystallised by now.

[gabaston]

kifeas

i experienced the truth- i was there in the sixties - i lived it - where were you- where do you get your facts from- Bangladeshi hearsay?

it appears that the closer you get to the truth the more you turn to insult or laughter - highly immature- best to grow up or you'll end up in that group of people which many gc's are now turning against.

I have travelled half of the world and with my hand on my heart i can only suggest that the Cyprus regime 63-74 had the lowest ethics of any Western World nation.

[metecyp]

In which case atrocities against TCs were government sponsored?

Do you read Sevgul Uludag Kifeas? She's a TC journalist who interviewed GCs and TCs who survived massacres by TCs/Turks and GCs. In one of those interviews, one TC father talks about his son being taken away by RoC police (GC of course) and they never hear anything back from him. He's missing (yes, we also have missing!) until now. If you don't believe me, I can try to find the link to the article. This is just one incident where the "RoC" was directly involved in a TC killing. I'm sure there are many more considering that many of "RoC" ministers had no problem in drafting the Akritas plan.[/quote]

[gabaston]

yes we too also have missing from 74

we can start telling those stories - and because Turkish troops were on Cyprus they're even more gruesome than 63-74.

Best not to open that can of worms...........you wont believe or like it.

[Kifeas]

In which case atrocities against TCs were government sponsored?

Do you read Sevgul Uludag Kifeas? She's a TC journalist who interviewed GCs and TCs who survived massacres by TCs/Turks and GCs. In one of those interviews, one TC father talks about his son being taken away by RoC police (GC of course) and they never hear anything back from him. He's missing (yes, we also have missing!) until now. If you don't believe me, I can try to find the link to the article. This is just one incident where the "RoC" was directly involved in a TC killing. I'm sure there are many more considering that many of "RoC" ministers had no problem in drafting the Akritas plan.

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Metecyp,
I know that there are TCs missing and I have read Sevgul’s article. The fact that a GC policeman arrested a TC civilian and presumably killed him, does not by itself meant hat this policeman received an order by the leadership of the police or the government to do so. That by itself doesn't justify a claim that it was government-sponsored murder. You can rightfully say that the government is legally responsible, but it doesn't mean that it also authorised the arrest and more importantly the murder. It is like me saying that because individual Turkish Army soldiers and /or officers committed atrocities in 1974, it means that those atrocities were Turkish Government sponsored or authorised.

Metecyp, have you actually read the Akritas plan? The Akritas plan was everything else except a plan aiming or projecting at the annihilation of the TC community or the authorisation of murders or atrocities or even torturing of TCs. Read the version that is posted in the Cyprus-conflict website because in some Turkish sides there are parts purposely cut off so that they give a misleading impression.

[Kifeas]

yes we too also have missing from 74

we can start telling those stories - and because Turkish troops were on Cyprus they're even more gruesome than 63-74.

Best not to open that can of worms...........you wont believe or like it.

Gabaston, Do you know how many GC Civilians were murdered in Kyrenia area alone, from the 20 -23 of July 1974? More than 700. More civilians than actual GC soldiers killed in the battles in the area, which were around 600. Only in the kyrenia stadium there were more than 200 executions of civilians and captured soldiers. In my village alone in Lapithos when the Turkish Army occupied it on the 6th of August 1974, there were about 112 civilians killed. I personally have 2 cousins and one uncle killed. There are as many as about 60 or so women that reported to have been raped, only in kyrenia area alone.

I do not know how many in other areas during the second operation that started on the 14th of August 1974.