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Postby metecyp » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:55 pm

Kifeas wrote:Why are you so surprised by this possibility anyway? Judging from Denktash’s stance on the issue, it was very soft. Don’t you think so?

I don't think that he was very soft. He was against the Annan plan and its philosophy right from the beginning. He thought the Annan plan would create a GC state in the south and a mixed state in the north. He said the Annan plan would leave TCs without any land since it completely ignores the TRNC title deeds. He said TCs were deceived by empty promises of the EU and the US to say "Yes" to the plan....and so many other things. He's still openly and strongly against the plan. How do I know this? I watched him on TV when I was home. I read his column in Halkin Sesi Gazetesi.
If he really believed that the A-plan was such a bad deal, he would have campaigned against it much more fervently.

He did campaign against it to a degree but he couldn't find many TCs around him. That's why it was as powerful as some would expect and that's why he's not the TC leader anymore.
His Son's party would have stood for a clear "No" instead of a "let it free" choice that he adopted.

His Son's party could not have stood for a clear "No" because the majority of TCs clearly wanted "Yes". Therefore he was compelled to let his party members decide by themselves in order to avoid losing votes. As you know, UBP was against the plan and we've seen its votes fall down dramatically later on.

Besides, it's known that Denktash and his son don't agree all the time. For example, according to a rumour, it was Denktash Jr's idea to open the borders while Denktash opposed to it. Is this true? I don't know. That's why I didn't present it as a "certain fact" like you did with your TC friend's opinion. I think it's important to sort certain facts from opinions/rumours.
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Postby metecyp » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:57 pm

Even if they do not, we can always make their life through this arrangement so miserable that they will eventually try to break it up with their own initiative.

Again, it might be true or it might not be true. Who knows? If we're going to argue with rumours, there's no point really. We can sit here and argue 24/7 and not solve anything if we're not talking facts.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:08 am

Kifeas
It is not a TC friend but several TCs, who also happen to know very well Denktash's opinion on the A-plan, the referendums, recognition,


sorry Kifeas total bullshit, hes still slating the Annan plan, and your source is like me saying several GC friends close to Papadop said he loves TCs and wants to built a united Cyprus with them total bullshit :lol:
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Postby gabaston » Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:42 am

vp

yeah i heard that paps story too................ :twisted:
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Postby MicAtCyp » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:50 am

Metecyp wrote: For example, according to a rumour, it was Denktash Jr's idea to open the borders while Denktash opposed to it. Is this true? I don't know.


Perhaps it was but certainly the directions came from Ankara. After its success there was an effort to load that on Serdar to increase his popularity over Eroglu. Eroglu got furious and started complaining.

Anyway I heard Eroglu will be history soon. Is it true, I meani s he resigning from his party?
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Postby brother » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:30 am

Right all this talk about Denktas is speculation at best but if i go to cyprus is september i will talk to him(his grandson is married to my first cousin) and i will find out the truth for us all, is that fair enough.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:46 am

brother wrote:Right all this talk about Denktas is speculation at best but if i go to cyprus is september i will talk to him(his grandson is married to my first cousin) and i will find out the truth for us all, is that fair enough.


Bother,
Let's assume that you find out that it is true, what will this mean to you? How will it affect your perception on the A-plan?
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Postby brother » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:49 am

My opinions are already very well known on the A-plan but i just would like to know if what others are saying is true, i am not a Denktas fan and i really can't stand his son that wanker serdar but i as a person always feel the need for the truth.
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