Cyprus-Forum.com

[Kifeas]

Bananiot,
Denktash himself admitted that the last version of the A-plan was the best possible deal, only second to recognition of TRNC. He had expressed his disapproval and asked the people to vote “NO,” only for a GC internal consumption purposes and because he knew that the GCs would perceive anything liked by him, not to be good for them. He didn’t campaigned in favour of his “NO,” at all, because in reality he favoured a “Yes” by the TCs too. Also his Son’s party took a middle distance position, for the same exact reason. This is a common secret within the TC community.

[metecyp]

How could he sit back and watch a genocide commited by his own people then, that he was supposed to rule?

The incidents, or "Armenian Genocide" if you prefer, happenned around 1914. He didn't start his movement until 1919. Therefore he wasn't ruling anyone in 1914.

and were the Greeks in Smyrna invaders? What about the Greeks in Pontus or the Feneriotes?..and why did he make all Greeks change their surnames to Turkish ones?

As far as I know, there was a population exchange agreement between Turkey and Greece after the defeat of Greece in Anatolia. That resulted in migrations of Greeks from Turkey to Greece and migration of Turks from Greece to Turkey. I don't know anything about making all Greeks change their surnames. I would be happy to read about it though if you have reliable sources.

[metecyp]

Denktash himself admitted that the last version of the A-plan was the best possible deal, only second to recognition of TRNC.

When and where he admitted this? When you make such a serious claim, at least try to support it so we can take you seriously.

This is a common secret within the TC community.

Really? How do you know it if it's a secret then? You have a wild imagination, don't you?

[Kifeas]

Denktash himself admitted that the last version of the A-plan was the best possible deal, only second to recognition of TRNC.

When and where he admitted this? When you make such a serious claim, at least try to support it so we can take you seriously.

This is a common secret within the TC community.

Really? How do you know it if it's a secret then? You have a wild imagination, don't you?

“Common secret” is an idiomatic expression in English, meaning that this is something that already a lot of people know. In other words, it is not a secret any more.

Aren't you wondering about Serdar Denktash's stance before the referendums? Why he took the position he took?

[metecyp]

Aren't you wondering about Serdar Denktash's stance before the referendums? Why he took the position he took?

Before asking me questions, why don't you answer my question first? When and where Denktash said that the last version of the plan was the second possible deal?

I follow the Turkish media daily and I haven't seen one positive remark of Denktash about the Annan plan. I'll be happy to be wrong though.

[Kifeas]

Aren't you wondering about Serdar Denktash's stance before the referendums? Why he took the position he took?

Before asking me questions, why don't you answer my question first? When and where Denktash said that the last version of the plan was the second possible deal?

I follow the Turkish media daily and I haven't seen one positive remark of Denktash about the Annan plan. I'll be happy to be wrong though.

Not the second possible deal. The best possible deal, only second to recognition of TrNC. This has been told to me by TC friends who know very well (inside out) the TC communitie's politics.

[metecyp]

Not the second possible deal. The best possible deal, only second to recognition of TrNC. This has been told to me by TC friends who know very well (inside out) the TC communitie's politics.

And don't forget that Cypriots, TCs and GCs alike, are very into conspiracy theories. I'm not denying that some TC friend of yours might have told you something like that but it's probably his or his buddy group's little conspiracy theory. I don't buy into it unless I publicly hear Denktash made a similar remark.

The way you brought this up was as if you were 100% sure that he made such a remark. Now we know it was just a personal opinion of a TC friend of yours which can be true or false.

[Bananiot]

When Kifeas first brought up this matter I thought he was making a "calculated" joke, to counterbalance my signature and I must admit I enjoyed it. He however seems to be serious about it and this is sad. Kifeas could simply claim that he and Denktas rejected the Plan for completeley different reasons and we would have understood.

[Kifeas]

Not the second possible deal. The best possible deal, only second to recognition of TrNC. This has been told to me by TC friends who know very well (inside out) the TC communitie's politics.

And don't forget that Cypriots, TCs and GCs alike, are very into conspiracy theories. I'm not denying that some TC friend of yours might have told you something like that but it's probably his or his buddy group's little conspiracy theory. I don't buy into it unless I publicly hear Denktash made a similar remark.

The way you brought this up was as if you were 100% sure that he made such a remark. Now we know it was just a personal opinion of a TC friend of yours which can be true or false.

It is not a TC friend but several TCs, who also happen to know very well Denktash's opinion on the A-plan, the referendums, recognition, etc. Why are you so surprised by this possibility anyway? Judging from Denktash’s stance on the issue, it was very soft. Don’t you think so? If he really believed that the A-plan was such a bad deal, he would have campaigned against it much more fervently. His Son's party would have stood for a clear "No" instead of a "let it free" choice that he adopted.

[Kifeas]

When Kifeas first brought up this matter I thought he was making a "calculated" joke, to counterbalance my signature and I must admit I enjoyed it. He however seems to be serious about it and this is sad. Kifeas could simply claim that he and Denktas rejected the Plan for completeley different reasons and we would have understood.

Do you know what how he actually expressed his approach? He said, as I was told, that this arrangement (meaning the Annan plan) would be so intolerable and indigestible for the GCs to live with, that in 2 -3 years they will come alone and ask us to split up and have our recognised state. Even if they do not, we can always make their life through this arrangement so miserable that they will eventually try to break it up with their own initiative.