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[Bananiot]

I am not very kin on this standard reaction that asks "why don't the TC's do the same". In fact I find it pretty childish unless it says "well done Angastiniotis, lets hope a TC follows suit". Also, since the atrocities committed by GC's were government sponsored I feel my community is shedding crocodile tears in reality and all the time Angastiniotis speaks for a handful of individuals whilst he is thrown to the lion's den, pretty much like Drousiotis, who is banned from all tv stations including the government sponsored RIK. Please, and this is directed to GC's, do not use Angastiniotis as an example to show how democratic and transparent our society is. We are a long way from this yet.

[Yiannis]

I personally tried to apologise and acknowledge what happened to GCs on this forum but had it thrown back in my face.

My respects for that, but unfortunately individuals apologizing will not also persuade the majority(in my opinion) that put their trust on one side only. What we need here is strong evidence to prove what really happened during those bloody years.

[Kifeas]

The sooner that both sides recognise their atrocities against each other, the better. If the work of people like Tony helps to highlight this, I applaud his courage. However, as another poster just said, it's easy for nationalists to label such people as traitors and hence they get no exposure where it's really needed. Somehow I doubt we'll see Tony on PIK anytime soon.

Moose,
Agastiniotis made a very basic mistake. He made a documentary on the atrocities of his community against the other community, only. Been a GC himself, his work became the number one instrument in the propaganda of the most reactionary, chauvinistic and pro-partition circles of the other community. If you just do a surfing in the Internet, all these websites use his work as the most convincing evidence in favour of their thesis, because it simply comes from a GC. He was even taken into a meeting in the north in which perspective foreign property buyers were gathered, in order to show his documentary and thus alleviate those people’s ethical concerns regarding the issue of buying GC properties in the north.

If I was in his shoes, I would have done the same documentary, but I would have also included the atrocities of the other side and Turkey against GCs as well. In this way, I couldn’t be accuse by any side as a "traitor," nor I would be used by the propaganda machine of any the two sides.

[Viewpoint]

Yiannis my apology was sincere and although you may not value it in any shape or form its a start and imo should have been accepted not rejected in the manner it was, I will never forget GC reactions.

[Yiannis]

He was even taken into a meeting in the north in which perspective foreign property buyers were gathered, in order to show his documentary and thus alleviate those people’s ethical concerns regarding the issue of buying GC properties in the north.

I heard that too and i was meant to ask brother if he knows anything about it.
If thats true then i agree with Kifeas on that Agastaniotis did a huge mistake to get involved with the other nationalistic side. This will really give food to the GCs to reject his documentary as fake and not true.

[Viewpoint]

Yiannis

This will really give food to the GCs to reject his documentary as fake and not true.

although it is real and very true

[Kifeas]

I am not very kin on this standard reaction that asks "why don't the TC's do the same". In fact I find it pretty childish unless it says "well done Angastiniotis, lets hope a TC follows suit". Also, since the atrocities committed by GC's were government sponsored I feel my community is shedding crocodile tears in reality and all the time Angastiniotis speaks for a handful of individuals whilst he is thrown to the lion's den, pretty much like Drousiotis, who is banned from all tv stations including the government sponsored RIK. Please, and this is directed to GC's, do not use Angastiniotis as an example to show how democratic and transparent our society is. We are a long way from this yet.

Bananiot, you are nuts!
In which case atrocities against TCs were government sponsored? The attacks of Sampson in Omorfita, in 1963? The attacks by Sampson and the Gerolakkos /Skylloura people (as a revenge to a previous attack in 1958,) in Ayios Vasilios? The attacks of the Eoka B gangsters against the TCs after the Turkish invasion?
Which one was government sponsor?
In which case Papadopoullos was personally and directly involved or even authorised atrocities against TCs?
Stop the nonsense Bananiot, stop it!

I am a person that condemns those acts and I would also like to see those people sentenced. I have no problem discussing them publicly and even knew about them for many years now, long before Agastiniotis discovered them. I spoke about them publicly, many times in the past. No one has ever called me a traitor. Your way of approaching the whole issue is just disgusting, to say the least. If you think you help the truth come out, you are making a big mistake. You simply decorate whatever truth you say, with even bigger lies on top of it.

[gabaston]

Look if you want apologies for Ottoman stuff, forget it.

Tc atrocities on gc 63-74 well I have heard of none, purely on the basis that tc was not in a position to do so. I can accept that tc may have agitated and frustrated, but under a regime which wanted them off cyprus that was the only response open to them.

Pre sixties – again I know nothing of this period except from what I’ve read. I can fully accept that in the light of Enosis and with the aid of British govt that tc’s did kill gc’s, this I can understand – this tc's could have done, because they wanted Enosis as much as gc’s would want cyprus to become a part of Turkey, and they would have had british support. However i have not read or heard of innocent women and children being killed by them.

I also know nothing about the missing, but I am quite willing to accept that during 74 some gc’s who stayed to fight the turkish army were captured, interrogated and tortured –
I know I will be brandished as civilly deficient and criticized as pathetic for trying to justify these actions, but I am not trying to justify it, however that is what happens in a war. It happens today in Iraq it happened in Northern Ireland. In the same period some tc’s trying to escape from the south to the north, were captured and interrogated and tortured by gc and were never seen again, I ask for no-one to justify that. However it should also be recognized that prior to the invasion gc’s were killing gc’s too, and some of the missing gc’s may be found there.


Right now you can throw it back in face if you like, but I believe that had we been the majority I suppose we may have done the same as you and sought to unite cyprus with Turkey, we may have been even more brutal than you were. Who knows?

[Kifeas]

Look if you want apologies for Ottoman stuff, forget it.

Tc atrocities on gc 63-74 well I have heard of none, purely on the basis that tc was not in a position to do so. I can accept that tc may have agitated and frustrated, but under a regime which wanted them off cyprus that was the only response open to them.

Pre sixties – again I know nothing of this period except from what I’ve read. I can fully accept that in the light of Enosis and with the aid of British govt that tc’s did kill gc’s, this I can understand – this tc's could have done, because they wanted Enosis as much as gc’s would want cyprus to become a part of Turkey, and they would have had british support. However i have not read or heard of innocent women and children being killed by them.

I also know nothing about the missing, but I am quite willing to accept that during 74 some gc’s who stayed to fight the turkish army were captured, interrogated and tortured –
I know I will be brandished as civilly deficient and criticized as pathetic for trying to justify these actions, because I am not trying to justify it, but that is what happens in a war. In the same period some tc’s trying to escape from the south to the north, were captured and interrogated and tortured by gc and were never seen again, I ask for no-one to justify that. However it should also be recognized that prior to the invasion gc’s were killing gc’s too, and some of the missing gc’s may be found there.


Right now you can throw it back in face if you like, but I believe that had we been the majority I suppose we may have done the same as you and sought to unite cyprus with Turkey, we may have been even more brutal than you were. Who knows?

Gabaston, thanks for the jokes!

[gabaston]

ok kifeas

wots the joks ?