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[denizaksulu]

From yesterdays Daily Mail an interesting article.


Is yoghurt becoming less cultured than yogurt? By Sean Poulter
Last updated at 10:20 AM on 26th May 2009

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When it comes to what makes a good yoghurt, most of us only care about how much fruit or how much fat it contains.
But retailers are currently debating whether the British yoghurt should have one ingredient removed. . . the letter 'h'.

Almost unnoticed, manufacturers and retailers have been moving to the alternative, Americanised spelling of yogurt over the past 15 years, to the annoyance of traditionalists.

The row has now spilled on to the pages of the food industry journal The Grocer, where the director general of the Provision Trade Federation, Clare Cheney, complained in a letter: 'Isn't it time The Grocer caught up with the fact that the industry has long since dropped the "h" from yoghurt?'
She called in reinforcements in the form of the Oxford English Dictionary, which identifies that the word is derived from Turkey, which introduced the dairy product to the world and spells it yogurt.

Its roots are linked to the Turkish word meaning 'to knead'.

Two sides of yoghurt: Without the 'h' from M&S with with 'h' from Duchy Originals


However, the English equivalent of the Turkish 'g' has traditionally been 'gh' and, along with New Zealand and Australia, Britain has mostly retained the 'gh' spelling.
But yogurt is the usual spelling in the U.S., while to complicate matters further, the Canadians favour yogourt.
Miss Cheney said: 'I really think that given the fact the industry has decided to go with yogurt that it is about time for others to fall into line. It did not occur to me that this would be following the American spelling; that was certainly not my intention. Rather it just seems sensible to drop the "h" to avoid any unnecessary confusion.'

Writer and etymologist Michael Quinion said that historically the British have strongly objected to the Americanisation of the language but that attitudes were softening.

He said: 'I suspect that if you had 100 people in a room that the majority would spell it with an "h". The fact that this has now changed has rather crept up on us; it seems to have happened by stealth.
'The Americans have been using yogurt as the correct spelling for at least 150 years.

Today, most British dictionaries also use this as the preferred spelling.'

Mr Quinion, who says he documents changes in language and spelling, rather than yearning to maintain the status quo, added: 'There is no right or wrong here, but evidence suggests that yogurt without the "h" will become dominant. It is more crisp and short, the word is spelt as it sounds.
'It does seem that yoghurt with the "h" will slowly disappear for good.'



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[umit07]

Very interesting indeed

[denizaksulu]

Very interesting indeed

Agreed, but is this, the OED and the evidence provided by the Etymologist 'credible evidence'?

How are you Umit. Nice to see you around.

[umit07]

I'm alright not too good but not too bad either, I can't complain ( Idare ederik vaziyeti) . How are you? Approaching the summer holiday period?

P.S: I'm always lurking around.

[bill cobbett]

Very interesting indeed

Agreed, but is this, the OED and the evidence provided by the Etymologist 'credible evidence'?

How are you Umit. Nice to see you around.

Yes Hi Umit.

The OED are the Keepers of The People's Language in the sense that they record popular usage of our democratic language cos ultimately it is the common people, the chaps(esses) on the street and in the omnibusses, in the pubs and bordellos that determine the norms in our ever-changing language and every single word, with its spelling, in the OED owes its presence there to The English Speaking People. The OED is a marvelous record of our use of the language.

I'll post entries for yoghurt later on.

Come on you Reds!

[halil]

I'm alright not too good but not too bad either, I can't complain ( Idare ederik vaziyeti) . How are you? Approaching the summer holiday period?

P.S: I'm always lurking around.

Umit ,
PM your mail address to me . I will ask u a questiones how personal belongings from Australia will ship to Famagusta . (From Melbourne to Famagusta )

[denizaksulu]

Very interesting indeed

Agreed, but is this, the OED and the evidence provided by the Etymologist 'credible evidence'?

How are you Umit. Nice to see you around.

Yes Hi Umit.

The OED are the Keepers of The People's Language in the sense that they record popular usage of our democratic language cos ultimately it is the common people, the chaps(esses) on the street and in the omnibusses, in the pubs and bordellos that determine the norms in our ever-changing language and every single word, with its spelling, in the OED owes its presence there to The English Speaking People. The OED is a marvelous record of our use of the language.

I'll post entries for yoghurt later on.

Come on you Reds!

Any infois welcome. I was particularly interested in the word having been derived from the Turkish word for 'kneading'. Did the old folk us yogurt to knead bread? Would the bacteria have the same effects of 'yeast'? These come to mind. Perhaps our resident Scientist/microbiologist (?) can shed us some light here

[bill cobbett]

As promised the entry from the OED.... which I think is now reflecting a change in popular spelling from yoghurt to yogurt


YOGURT

Forms: 7 yoghurd, yogourt, 9 yahourt, yaghourt, yogurd, yoghourt, yooghort, yughard, -urt, yohourth, 9- yogurt, 20 yoghurt. See also YAOURT. [a. Turkish y{omac}ghurt.]

Properly, a sour fermented liquor made from milk, used in Turkey and other countries of the Levant; now common in many English-speaking countries as a commercial semi-solid, often flavoured, foodstuff.


1625 PURCHAS Pilgrims II. IX. xv. §9. 1601 Neither doe they [sc. the Turks] eate much Milke, except it bee made sower, which they call Yoghurd. 1687 A. LOVELL tr. Thevenot's Trav. II. 25 A kind of Butter-milk by them [sc. Turks] called Yogourt, which they drink. 1837 J. PARDOE City of Sultan (1838) III. vi. 83 The yahourt-merchant, with his..trays covered with little brown clay basins, showing forth the creamy whiteness of his merchandize. 1883 E. O'DONOVAN Merv xviii. 216 We halted to..refresh ourselves with a draught of yaghourt. 1912 Dundee Adv. 2 Nov. 7 Servian yoghourt is well known. 1925 C. H. BROWNING Bacteriol. vii. 154 ‘Yoghurt’, which contains very little alcohol, is prepared by the Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks from cow's milk. 1934 E. WAUGH Handful of Dust i. 13 Mrs. Beaver stood with her back to the fire, eating her morning yoghourt. She held the carton close under her chin and gobbled with a spoon. 1955 G. FREEMAN Liberty Man I. ii. 32 Miss Parrot, who ate only yoghourt for lunch, would dip a teaspoon into the bottle. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebook 185 Open books, yogurt cups in the unmade bed. 1980 Sunday Times (Colour Suppl.) 14 Sept. 85/4 Stokowski..was concerned with retaining his youth{em}and Garbo, always a food faddist, was into the ‘yoga and yoghourt’ experience.

Hence {sm}yog(h)urty a. (and varr.), fed on or smeared with yoghurt; containing or being yoghurt.

1981 Times 20 June 12/3 The dull and dispirited expressions that lie on their yoghurty faces. 1983 N.Y. Mag. 18 July 15 Not everything yogurty, performs magically{em}certainly, frozen yogurt hasn't in the last few years.

[CBBB]

I don\t give a monkey's I still won't be able to spell it twice the same way!

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

As promised the entry from the OED.... which I think is now reflecting a change in popular spelling from yoghurt to yogurt


YOGURT

Forms: 7 yoghurd, yogourt, 9 yahourt, yaghourt, yogurd, yoghourt, yooghort, yughard, -urt, yohourth, 9- yogurt, 20 yoghurt. See also YAOURT. [a. Turkish y{omac}ghurt.]

Properly, a sour fermented liquor made from milk, used in Turkey and other countries of the Levant; now common in many English-speaking countries as a commercial semi-solid, often flavoured, foodstuff.


1625 PURCHAS Pilgrims II. IX. xv. §9. 1601 Neither doe they [sc. the Turks] eate much Milke, except it bee made sower, which they call Yoghurd. 1687 A. LOVELL tr. Thevenot's Trav. II. 25 A kind of Butter-milk by them [sc. Turks] called Yogourt, which they drink. 1837 J. PARDOE City of Sultan (1838) III. vi. 83 The yahourt-merchant, with his..trays covered with little brown clay basins, showing forth the creamy whiteness of his merchandize. 1883 E. O'DONOVAN Merv xviii. 216 We halted to..refresh ourselves with a draught of yaghourt. 1912 Dundee Adv. 2 Nov. 7 Servian yoghourt is well known. 1925 C. H. BROWNING Bacteriol. vii. 154 ‘Yoghurt’, which contains very little alcohol, is prepared by the Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks from cow's milk. 1934 E. WAUGH Handful of Dust i. 13 Mrs. Beaver stood with her back to the fire, eating her morning yoghourt. She held the carton close under her chin and gobbled with a spoon. 1955 G. FREEMAN Liberty Man I. ii. 32 Miss Parrot, who ate only yoghourt for lunch, would dip a teaspoon into the bottle. 1970 R. LOWELL Notebook 185 Open books, yogurt cups in the unmade bed. 1980 Sunday Times (Colour Suppl.) 14 Sept. 85/4 Stokowski..was concerned with retaining his youth{em}and Garbo, always a food faddist, was into the ‘yoga and yoghourt’ experience.

Hence {sm}yog(h)urty a. (and varr.), fed on or smeared with yoghurt; containing or being yoghurt.

1981 Times 20 June 12/3 The dull and dispirited expressions that lie on their yoghurty faces. 1983 N.Y. Mag. 18 July 15 Not everything yogurty, performs magically{em}certainly, frozen yogurt hasn't in the last few years.

WOW, thats alot of yoghurt I mean yogurt..oh Im confused