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The Cypriot identity is a myth

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Postby Oracle » Thu May 28, 2009 1:12 am

The Cypriot wrote: Here's some Brits that have developed a keen sense of Gibraltese "Ethnicity". (I hate that word).

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They look like natives to me ....
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu May 28, 2009 1:17 am

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote: Here's some Brits that have developed a keen sense of Gibraltese "Ethnicity". (I hate that word).

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They look like natives to me ....



Thats the bloody culprit; he nicked my ray-bans. :twisted:
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu May 28, 2009 1:26 am

DT. wrote:
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DT. wrote:
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DT. wrote:Don't pay any attention to us Cypriots that have gone to school, army, live and raise our kids here to have any clue about what being a Cypriot really is all about. FFS!


No, we won't if, by implication, you won't pay any attention to at least a third of the Cypriot nation (a whole third!) who had no option but to flee Cyprus because of extreme economic hardship, foreign exploitation, political persecution, inter-communal violence, war, division and homelessness but who nevertheless kept the memory of a free, united and unpolarised Cyprus alive in their hearts, and in their children's hearts.

Cypriots who had the indomitable spirit to campaign tirelessly for justice and for freedom for their ancestral homeland and for all its people in the cold, uncaring and discriminatory foreign lands in which they find themselves.


You're doing a great job. Now, do you have any idea whatsoever about what a typical 16 yr old Cypriot kid is growing up like or a typical 30 yr old Cypriot is raising a young family like?


Some... but I try not to let it burst my bubble. The alternative is to spend my time watching "Britain's got talented immigrant fools" on TV.

DT. wrote:I have half my dad's family split between the UK and Canada, there's one thing we all agree on. They're stuck on an image of Cyprus in the 60's-70's and we've moved on.


When Greece began her fight for freedom from the Ottomans it was the diaspora wot helped inspire it! (As I understand)


Lets hope you'll give us the same inspiration from Chingford if we're ever called to arms over here.


Chingford? There's no action there! There isn't even a tube station! The Cypriot fighting skills were honed on the mean streets of N17 and N22.
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu May 28, 2009 1:29 am

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote: Here's some Brits that have developed a keen sense of Gibraltese "Ethnicity". (I hate that word).

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They look like natives to me ....


Not entirely certain you can tell the difference.
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Postby Oracle » Thu May 28, 2009 1:35 am

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote: Here's some Brits that have developed a keen sense of Gibraltese "Ethnicity". (I hate that word).

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They look like natives to me ....


Not entirely certain you can tell the difference.


I've heard the invaders wear Ray-Ban sunglasses .....
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu May 28, 2009 1:40 am

Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
The Cypriot wrote: Here's some Brits that have developed a keen sense of Gibraltese "Ethnicity". (I hate that word).

Image


They look like natives to me ....


Not entirely certain you can tell the difference.


I've heard the invaders wear Ray-Ban sunglasses .....


8)
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Postby james_mav » Thu May 28, 2009 3:50 am

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miltiades wrote:I wonder if there is any other nation on earth whose nationals deny their nations identity in preference to that of a foreign country. The people of Malta are naturally Maltese and the people of Cyprus are Cypriots !
We have Greek Turkish and English as official languages , but surely we are predominantly Cypriots . I know I'm and so were my forefathers .
We are far more advanced socially than the Greeks or the Turks , why on earth do we want to be Greeks or Turks is beyond me. The Greek social structure is so dated , the rich look down on the not so rich and the not so rich in turn look down on the less well off . When it comes to us Cypriots , well they all look down on us until they meet me and boy do I put them in their place !!

Cyprus is ruled by a communist party and Greece is the one with the outdated social system?!

Yes , Greece is . Have you traveled on their underground trains recently , are those signs still up " NO SPITTING " !!! Have you tried getting a taxi in Omonia recently do they still shove you out of the way !!
Who is that woman that they dig out every time they have a serious problem to tackle , you know the old bag head of the communist party.
Do the rich still employ servants to wash their feet , tell me its a few years since I travelled back in time !!

Please spare us your bolshevism, it's so 20th century.

If you all are Cypriots, what does it say about your social system when there is a (hopefully) permanently frozen armed confrontation going on in your country? (and was ongoing and not so frozen before the invasion). It seems as if there is some social disunity going on. Greek society has recognised the dangers of a muslim minority, and has cauterised like a benign cancer up in western Thraki*. The elements of Greek society who (genuinely) speak of Greece's muslim minority as being Greeks are a lunatic fringe. Anyway, just because you speak the loudest, and boast boldly how you have "put people in their place" does not mean that you are any less a member of the lunatic fringe of Greek Cypriot society, so there is hope.

Morons like you have the gall to blame Greece and Greeks for the turk invasion when you yourselves could not get your own house in order politically and socially. Morons like you created the opportunity for foreign intervention. The fact that the proxy for this foreign intervention happened to be a Greek military government (which was also a proxy for massive foreign intervention in Greece by a foreign power) does not in the slightest way absolve you of your responsibility for the stuff up leading to the 1974 disaster.

* The recent unrest in Athens notwithstanding. However, trouble with illegal immigrants who happen to be muslims is a law & order and immigration/border security issue, not a social one.
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Postby paliometoxo » Thu May 28, 2009 3:54 am

rubbish.. there is kypraioi in the south and the turks in the north who are just jelous of everything greek and cypriot and thing they are turk cypriots.. when infact they really are mongolians
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Postby miltiades » Thu May 28, 2009 8:07 am

james_mav wrote:
miltiades wrote:
james_mav wrote:
miltiades wrote:I wonder if there is any other nation on earth whose nationals deny their nations identity in preference to that of a foreign country. The people of Malta are naturally Maltese and the people of Cyprus are Cypriots !
We have Greek Turkish and English as official languages , but surely we are predominantly Cypriots . I know I'm and so were my forefathers .
We are far more advanced socially than the Greeks or the Turks , why on earth do we want to be Greeks or Turks is beyond me. The Greek social structure is so dated , the rich look down on the not so rich and the not so rich in turn look down on the less well off . When it comes to us Cypriots , well they all look down on us until they meet me and boy do I put them in their place !!

Cyprus is ruled by a communist party and Greece is the one with the outdated social system?!

Yes , Greece is . Have you traveled on their underground trains recently , are those signs still up " NO SPITTING " !!! Have you tried getting a taxi in Omonia recently do they still shove you out of the way !!
Who is that woman that they dig out every time they have a serious problem to tackle , you know the old bag head of the communist party.
Do the rich still employ servants to wash their feet , tell me its a few years since I travelled back in time !!

Please spare us your bolshevism, it's so 20th century.

If you all are Cypriots, what does it say about your social system when there is a (hopefully) permanently frozen armed confrontation going on in your country? (and was ongoing and not so frozen before the invasion). It seems as if there is some social disunity going on. Greek society has recognised the dangers of a muslim minority, and has cauterised like a benign cancer up in western Thraki*. The elements of Greek society who (genuinely) speak of Greece's muslim minority as being Greeks are a lunatic fringe. Anyway, just because you speak the loudest, and boast boldly how you have "put people in their place" does not mean that you are any less a member of the lunatic fringe of Greek Cypriot society, so there is hope.

Morons like you have the gall to blame Greece and Greeks for the turk invasion when you yourselves could not get your own house in order politically and socially. Morons like you created the opportunity for foreign intervention. The fact that the proxy for this foreign intervention happened to be a Greek military government (which was also a proxy for massive foreign intervention in Greece by a foreign power) does not in the slightest way absolve you of your responsibility for the stuff up leading to the 1974 disaster.

* The recent unrest in Athens notwithstanding. However, trouble with illegal immigrants who happen to be muslims is a law & order and immigration/border security issue, not a social one.

Firstly let me correct you here . It was Greece who FORCED Makarios to sign on the dotted line in 1959 at Zurich telling him blandly that Cyprus can expect no help whatsoever if the struggle continued . Secondly Greece was SOLELY responsible for inviting Turkey to invade in 1974 and inciting social unrest amongst the right and left wing Cypriots. There was no conflict with the T/Cs at that time ie from 1967 to 1974. The conflict was between the Junta and the RoC . Greece's involvement in stirring things up was well known by all at the time. Its refusal to remove Greek officers were were blatantly anti Makarios and were a law unto themselves totaly ignoring the fact that the RoC government had been legally elected. Greece under the control of the Junta , gave the go ahead for the military coup against the government of Cyprus that as a guarantor power failed miserably in its duties . As a direct result of Greece's actions Turkey found the perfect excuse to invade.
As for a foreign power influencing and supporting the Junta , that now is an old hat , all know that Greece was never to blame for past calamities , always the dreaded Americaniko daxtilo.
Why dont you accept that we are Cypriots , G/C , T/Cs , Armenian Cypriots etc and thus we have our nation , our own identity and our own culture .
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Postby Lit » Thu May 28, 2009 8:56 am

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