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[The Cypriot]

When it comes to the Cyprus Problem, instead of emphasizing the differences in ethnicity, we should look at all those common things that we share because of our common homeland, which is also an independent country. There are many examples of successful multi-ethnic countries and Cyprus should be one as well.

Mashalla!

[The Cypriot]

I am of Cypriot ethnicity because I say so and anyone else who cares to join me may do so too. Does that answer your question?

Bravo!

[Oracle]

I am of Cypriot ethnicity because I say so and anyone else who cares to join me may do so too. Does that answer your question?

Bravo!

Perhaps you can explain (since GR! failed), whether you would accept a "TRNCiotish" ethnicity on the basis of this "say so" logic?

[Get Real!]

I am of Cypriot ethnicity because I say so and anyone else who cares to join me may do so too. Does that answer your question?

Bravo!

Perhaps you can explain (since GR! failed), whether you would accept a "TRNCiotish" ethnicity on the basis of this "say so" logic?

Where do you think “Hellenism” came from if someone did not invent it? It happened in the early 1800s by someone whose name I forget.

[Oracle]

I am of Cypriot ethnicity because I say so and anyone else who cares to join me may do so too. Does that answer your question?

Bravo!

Perhaps you can explain (since GR! failed), whether you would accept a "TRNCiotish" ethnicity on the basis of this "say so" logic?

Where do you think “Hellenism” came from if someone did not invent it? It happened in the early 1800s by someone whose name I forget.

Again you cannot answer my question!

But I have no problem with yours ...

The Greeks/Hellenes were not an invention, just because someone gave the group of people it represented an English name at some point.

The actual ethnicity the term Greek/ Hellene identifies was "invented" thousands of years before, at a time when there were fewer people. So common origins were verified by various means e.g. common shared language, and dialectical variations were a stronger indicator then (whereas now, we can acquire a second language in 6 weeks). The ethnicity was "invented" before national boundaries were established as a means of delineating territories for people with similar familial habits.

So, if you want to define Cypriot as an ethnicity, and not just a political connotation, then you need to seriously set some parameters to prevent sabotage from any Settlers or others, who simply by existing on Cyprus can also just "say so" that they are Cypriots!

[The Cypriot]

I am of Cypriot ethnicity because I say so and anyone else who cares to join me may do so too. Does that answer your question?

Bravo!

Perhaps you can explain (since GR! failed), whether you would accept a "TRNCiotish" ethnicity on the basis of this "say so" logic?

What is "TRNCiotish"? I recognise neither the place nor the "ethnicity" associated with it.

"Ethnicity" is so 20th century. (I know how much you Hellenes prefer living in the glorious past but we've actually got to 2009 – that's AD not BC).

However, if Cypriot citizens of Muslim extraction want to be treated like a discriminated "ethnic" minority then they can continue to draw attention to their difference. They can try and use foreign soldiers, foreign flags and whatever else is at their disposal to exclude and isolate themselves from opportunities afforded them by the civilised mainstream. But the discrimination against them will remain.

If they want to join us in the 21st century they need to take their place as proud Cypriot citizens helping to build a modern, united European nation, at ease with itself, its former colonial masters and its future regional partners.

[Get Real!]

The Greeks/Hellenes were not an invention, just because someone gave the group of people it represented an English name at some point.

The actual ethnicity the term Greek/ Hellene identifies was "invented" thousands of years before, at a time when there were fewer people.

How you must've suffered writing that...

So common origins were verified by various means e.g. common shared language, and dialectical variations were a stronger indicator then (whereas now, we can acquire a second language in 6 weeks). The ethnicity was "invented" before national boundaries were established as a means of delineating territories for people with similar familial habits.

Did somebody (a human being) invent the name "hellenism" so as to somehow "classify" a certain people? Yes or no?

So, if you want to define Cypriot as an ethnicity, and not just a political connotation, then you need to seriously set some parameters to prevent sabotage from any Settlers or others, who simply by existing on Cyprus can also just "say so" that they are Cypriots!

I have set the parameters many times...

Those of us of Cypriot ethnicity are 100% dedicated to Cyprus. Our allegiance and love is 100% with/for Cyprus. We are Cypriot nationalists and won’t have it any other way. Our hearts and minds are not torn between two places.

We believe in the Cypriot way, the Cypriot souvla, and the Cypriot batsos!

Happy?

[denizaksulu]

When it comes to the Cyprus Problem, instead of emphasizing the differences in ethnicity, we should look at all those common things that we share because of our common homeland, which is also an independent country. There are many examples of successful multi-ethnic countries and Cyprus should be one as well.

Mashalla!

ditto

[Oracle]

What is "TRNCiotish"? I recognise neither the place nor the "ethnicity" associated with it.

Irrelevant.

According to GR!'s theory for ethnicity, all one has to do is "say so" and it is done! It is then up to the TRNCiotish to spread it so that all become familiar with this new "say so" Ethnicity which resides on Cyprus (albeit it under the watchful eye of 40,000 troops).

"Ethnicity" is so 20th century. (I know how much you Hellenes prefer living in the glorious past but we've actually got to 2009 – that's AD not BC).

Don't patronise me. There are others with less achieving ethnicities who hang on to them as dearly. Or are you going to bash us present day Hellenes because you do not feel comfortable living up to such a past?

That is your problem not mine. There are perfectly simple everyday things about our ethnicity I love, just as much as the glorious ones.

However, if Cypriot citizens of Muslim extraction want to be treated like a discriminated "ethnic" minority then they can continue to draw attention to their difference. They can try and use foreign soldiers, foreign flags and whatever else is at their disposal to exclude and isolate themselves from opportunities afforded them by the civilised mainstream. But the discrimination against them will remain.

Why should you discriminate against them if they are a perfectly legitimate ethnicity having established themselves by GR!'s tried and tested "say so" criteria? You could be labelled racist!

If they want to join us in the 21st century they need to take their place as proud Cypriot citizens helping to build a modern, united European nation, at ease with itself, its former colonial masters and its future regional partners.

I'm sure they can do that! As the new ethnicity of Cyprus, they would have as much right to expound as you do this "Cypriot Ethnicity" which used to be just a political label ...

It's all about Reciprocity (as my dear GreekForumer used to say) ... if you want to establish a new ethnicity by "say so" ... you can't stop the Settlers doing the same ...

[Get Real!]

There are others with less achieving ethnicities who hang on to them as dearly.

Less achieving ethnicities???

Or are you going to bash us present day Hellenes because you do not feel comfortable living up to such a past?

Oracle, can’t you see this “Hellenism” shit has screwed up your mind completely?

If only you could see what kind diarrhea you so often post through my eyes for a moment, you’d drive yourself to an asylum first thing tomorrow morning!