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[Kifeas]

If the Serbs and the Montenegrins cannot agree to both be Yugoslavs, how in the name of God can turks and Greeks agree to both be Cypriots? There is no such thing as a Cypriot, apart from an almost convenient political definition (and even that didn't work). There are just Greeks and turks, just like there were Greeks and turks on Crete before its own enosis.

The Cypriot ethnicity is lunacy just like the (slavo) "Macedonian" ethnicity. Any solution to the Cyprus problem that does not acknowledge this fact is doomed to fail.

Yeah, Right!!! And since you have now discovered the "tachinopitta," which in fact coincides with the Turkish thesis on Cyprus -namely that there are two peoples and two nations in Cyprus and thus each should be entitled to a separate self-determination right; tell us now "re achriste" what kind of a solution to you propose we should adopt, in order to solve the Cyprus issue? Tell us “re ilithio kataskevasma pou se troi o kolos sou tzie pethima gamisi,” tell us what kind of a solution you propose!!! Partition???

Wait a minute, partition was mentioned by you not that long ago. You even created maps showing 18 percent of the North belonging to Turkish Cypriots. This thread is getting out of hand. I say everyone goes back to their original homes and everyone can call themselves what ever the fuck they want just like in other western countries. You have Italian Canadians, Greek Canadians, Cuban Canadians, and some just like to be called Canadians. FUCKING GROW UP PEOPLE.

"Joe," cut the crap!!! What I said before, and within what context I said it, has nothing to do with what the Turks and their agent parrots in this forum want or try to pass around! It is one thing to say to the Turks, "fine, if you believe you are a separate people or nation and you want partition, 18% is the most you are entitled" -knowing full well that they will never be able to accommodate such a possibility and enclave themselves into only the 18% of Cyprus; and another thing to act as the mouthpiece and the agent (praktoras) of the Turkish thesis and aims in Cyprus! This "praktoras" of the Turkish interests, called "James_mav," as well some other Turkish "praktores" such as "Polis," etc, are only trying to vindicate and legitimize the well known Turkish thesis that calls for "two separate nations and two peoples in Cyprus, and thus two separate self-determination rights!" Notice how they bring into the picture the cases of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, just exactly how Serdar Denkatsh brought the same two cases into perspective in order to legitimize his partition or confederation calls. Do not give me this crap, about what I said or I did not say, because the two things are totally unrelated!

I think you have just endorsed what Joe said...PARTITION.....Partition on your terms... We are entitled to a working percentage. Simple. You take control of the government and you still want the lions share of land. What do you lose Kifeas.....

You are entitled only the middle of the three between Ataturk's legs!!!

[Kifeas]

As always Kifeas

Whatever you say one day is totally unrelated to whatever you say the next.

Please give my regards to your mother. I hope she is well.

Small question.

How much rent does she pay?

And mine to yours too, and ask her if she still does it for free like the last time I visited her...

[zan]

If the Serbs and the Montenegrins cannot agree to both be Yugoslavs, how in the name of God can turks and Greeks agree to both be Cypriots? There is no such thing as a Cypriot, apart from an almost convenient political definition (and even that didn't work). There are just Greeks and turks, just like there were Greeks and turks on Crete before its own enosis.

The Cypriot ethnicity is lunacy just like the (slavo) "Macedonian" ethnicity. Any solution to the Cyprus problem that does not acknowledge this fact is doomed to fail.

Yeah, Right!!! And since you have now discovered the "tachinopitta," which in fact coincides with the Turkish thesis on Cyprus -namely that there are two peoples and two nations in Cyprus and thus each should be entitled to a separate self-determination right; tell us now "re achriste" what kind of a solution to you propose we should adopt, in order to solve the Cyprus issue? Tell us “re ilithio kataskevasma pou se troi o kolos sou tzie pethima gamisi,” tell us what kind of a solution you propose!!! Partition???

Wait a minute, partition was mentioned by you not that long ago. You even created maps showing 18 percent of the North belonging to Turkish Cypriots. This thread is getting out of hand. I say everyone goes back to their original homes and everyone can call themselves what ever the fuck they want just like in other western countries. You have Italian Canadians, Greek Canadians, Cuban Canadians, and some just like to be called Canadians. FUCKING GROW UP PEOPLE.

"Joe," cut the crap!!! What I said before, and within what context I said it, has nothing to do with what the Turks and their agent parrots in this forum want or try to pass around! It is one thing to say to the Turks, "fine, if you believe you are a separate people or nation and you want partition, 18% is the most you are entitled" -knowing full well that they will never be able to accommodate such a possibility and enclave themselves into only the 18% of Cyprus; and another thing to act as the mouthpiece and the agent (praktoras) of the Turkish thesis and aims in Cyprus! This "praktoras" of the Turkish interests, called "James_mav," as well some other Turkish "praktores" such as "Polis," etc, are only trying to vindicate and legitimize the well known Turkish thesis that calls for "two separate nations and two peoples in Cyprus, and thus two separate self-determination rights!" Notice how they bring into the picture the cases of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, just exactly how Serdar Denkatsh brought the same two cases into perspective in order to legitimize his partition or confederation calls. Do not give me this crap, about what I said or I did not say, because the two things are totally unrelated!

I think you have just endorsed what Joe said...PARTITION.....Partition on your terms... We are entitled to a working percentage. Simple. You take control of the government and you still want the lions share of land. What do you lose Kifeas.....

You are entitled only the middle of the three between Ataturk's legs!!!

I am sooooo glad that Mustafa Kemal Attaturk has played such a fearful part in your knighmares Kifeas...It gives me great pleasure!!!

I ask again...What will you forfeit to gain relieve from us nasty Turks

[polis]

The concept of ethnicity can be very fluid.

Whilst generally, language, religion, and a shared history are the main factors in determining an ethnicity, sometimes political drivers can also shape or concoct an ethnicity (see Moldova and FYROM).

If enough people perceive to belong to a particular ethnicity, no matter how ridiculous that perception may be, that perception has to be acknowledged.

A Cypriot ethnicity has never previously existed, however, a series of treacherous and spineless acts by the Greek state during the course of the 20th century has provided fertile ground for communists and other race traitors to promote a Cypriot ethnicity. Tragically, I suspect that within a generation, the Skopjanisation of the Greek Cypriots will be significant enough that the existence of a Cypriot ethnicity will be acknowledged.

The great irony is that by the conventional standards of ethnicity, Cypriots have been indisputably Greek almost as long as the concept of 'Greekness' has existed, whereas many Greeks in the Greek state (Vlachs/Slavophones/Arvanites) have only recently been assimilated into the Greek ethnic group.

I think that I have to agree with you but I do have a question. You mention the concept of "Greekness" and its existance, when do you believe that this concept first came into being?

How does 1.200 BC sound? (Hint: it was the time of the Trojan War - "don't trust the Greeks bearing gifts" etc)

[denizaksulu]

What a load of BOLLOCKS.

If asked, I am a Cypriot - FACT!

If asked, I am not a TURK - FACT!

If asked - I am not a GREEK - FACT!

What the FECK am I? A MARTIAN? - No I am NOT - that is a FACT!

I am a Cypriot. I belong to Cyprus and Cyprus belongs to me. FACT!

What a waste of valuable time. You might as well join in the 'GAMES' threads. You will be better welcomed.

You are whatever is the way you feel. You feel it in your culture, language, food in your Genes (or Vrakas).

Stop pissing me off.

Now my dog is taking me walkies.

Goodbye.

[miltiades]

What a load of BOLLOCKS.

If asked, I am a Cypriot - FACT!

If asked, I am not a TURK - FACT!

If asked - I am not a GREEK - FACT!

What the FECK am I? A MARTIAN? - No I am NOT - that is a FACT!

I am a Cypriot. I belong to Cyprus and Cyprus belongs to me. FACT!

What a waste of valuable time. You might as well join in the 'GAMES' threads. You will be better welcomed.

You are whatever is the way you feel. You feel it in your culture, language, food in your Genes (or Vrakas).

Stop pissing me off.

Now my dog is taking me walkies.

Goodbye.

Well said Deniz !!

[Oracle]

Sorry you are having problems with identity Deniz. Perhaps I can help. Your parents' mother tongue was Turkish, passed on to you. Your parents were Muslims, passed on to you. That you claim some relative married someone of another ethnicity at some point, may or may not contribute to your overall/partial ethnicity. But it makes no difference to your Nationality.

So, you may be ethnically Turkish, Cyprus-born with Cypriot citizenship (Nationality) if you recognise the RoC.

This is my take on it which would lead to the most harmony .....

[miltiades]

He is as Cypriot as any other Cypriot !

[zan]

What a load of BOLLOCKS.

If asked, I am a Cypriot - FACT!

If asked, I am not a TURK - FACT!

If asked - I am not a GREEK - FACT!

What the FECK am I? A MARTIAN? - No I am NOT - that is a FACT!

I am a Cypriot. I belong to Cyprus and Cyprus belongs to me. FACT!

What a waste of valuable time. You might as well join in the 'GAMES' threads. You will be better welcomed.

You are whatever is the way you feel. You feel it in your culture, language, food in your Genes (or Vrakas).

Stop pissing me off.

Now my dog is taking me walkies.

Goodbye.

Hope he is an old dog Deniz


On a serious note....and on the thread subject....How Cypriot would you feel on coming across a Makarios statue on your travels through a united Cyprus? How will you celebrate EOKA day?

I hope you will find these questions thought provoking rather than provocative.

[james_mav]

If the Serbs and the Montenegrins cannot agree to both be Yugoslavs, how in the name of God can turks and Greeks agree to both be Cypriots? There is no such thing as a Cypriot, apart from an almost convenient political definition (and even that didn't work). There are just Greeks and turks, just like there were Greeks and turks on Crete before its own enosis.

The Cypriot ethnicity is lunacy just like the (slavo) "Macedonian" ethnicity. Any solution to the Cyprus problem that does not acknowledge this fact is doomed to fail.

Yeah, Right!!! And since you have now discovered the "tachinopitta," which in fact coincides with the Turkish thesis on Cyprus -namely that there are two peoples and two nations in Cyprus and thus each should be entitled to a separate self-determination right; tell us now "re achriste" what kind of a solution to you propose we should adopt, in order to solve the Cyprus issue? Tell us “re ilithio kataskevasma pou se troi o kolos sou tzie pethima gamisi,” tell us what kind of a solution you propose!!! Partition???

Are you a complete fucking moron? Did I ever mention or suggest partition? Greece has to put up with the cancer of a muslim minority in western Tharki, was western Thraki partitioned between its Greek and mulsim inhabitants? Somehow you fuckwits in your minds manage to elevate a mere minority into a constituent "community" and "zone".