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The Cypriot identity is a myth

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Postby Oracle » Fri May 29, 2009 12:56 pm

suetoniuspaulinus wrote:
RC wrote:The concept of ethnicity can be very fluid.

Whilst generally, language, religion, and a shared history are the main factors in determining an ethnicity, sometimes political drivers can also shape or concoct an ethnicity (see Moldova and FYROM).

If enough people perceive to belong to a particular ethnicity, no matter how ridiculous that perception may be, that perception has to be acknowledged.

A Cypriot ethnicity has never previously existed, however, a series of treacherous and spineless acts by the Greek state during the course of the 20th century has provided fertile ground for communists and other race traitors to promote a Cypriot ethnicity. Tragically, I suspect that within a generation, the Skopjanisation of the Greek Cypriots will be significant enough that the existence of a Cypriot ethnicity will be acknowledged.

The great irony is that by the conventional standards of ethnicity, Cypriots have been indisputably Greek almost as long as the concept of 'Greekness' has existed, whereas many Greeks in the Greek state (Vlachs/Slavophones/Arvanites) have only recently been assimilated into the Greek ethnic group.


I think that I have to agree with you but I do have a question. You mention the concept of "Greekness" and its existance, when do you believe that this concept first came into being?


Don't ask a Turk, they weren't even around then ... If you looked to the Romans, you may be nearer the mark ....
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Re: The Cypriot identity is a myth

Postby Kifeas » Fri May 29, 2009 1:26 pm

james_mav wrote:If the Serbs and the Montenegrins cannot agree to both be Yugoslavs, how in the name of God can turks and Greeks agree to both be Cypriots? There is no such thing as a Cypriot, apart from an almost convenient political definition (and even that didn't work). There are just Greeks and turks, just like there were Greeks and turks on Crete before its own enosis.

The Cypriot ethnicity is lunacy just like the (slavo) "Macedonian" ethnicity. Any solution to the Cyprus problem that does not acknowledge this fact is doomed to fail.


Yeah, Right!!! And since you have now discovered the "tachinopitta," which in fact coincides with the Turkish thesis on Cyprus -namely that there are two peoples and two nations in Cyprus and thus each should be entitled to a separate self-determination right; tell us now "re achriste" what kind of a solution to you propose we should adopt, in order to solve the Cyprus issue? Tell us “re ilithio kataskevasma pou se troi o kolos sou tzie pethima gamisi,” tell us what kind of a solution you propose!!! Partition???
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Postby miltiades » Fri May 29, 2009 1:39 pm

james_mav wrote:
miltiades wrote:I will ask you once again to refrain from insults , I will not respond in kind purely because you are not worth it [...] You do not have the intelligence to debate a subject without reverting to insolence and cheap sarcasms [...] whoever you are you do not merit my attention.


Is that the best you can do? You really had me quaking with this one:

miltiades wrote:May I also suggest that you refrain from insults as I can assure you that 3 years on this forum has well prepared me to respond in kind should it become imperative to react.


You're a miserable, senile, self-loathing old bastard. Your time has passed, the world has passed you by, your values and opinions are from a bygone era; they've been repeated over and over, and have gotten us nowhere. Take a hint and fuck off.

Hey you disgusting little shit , may I refer you to the answer that Kifeas gave you on page 25 .
I think he said na pas na gamithis kolopedo !!!
Ise o megaliteros Malakas sto CF , ate assixtir ke piene na kopsis ton lemo sou kolopedo !!
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Postby miltiades » Fri May 29, 2009 1:56 pm

miltiades wrote:
and your worthless contributions to the forum

The Plonker replied :
"Even after separating the wheat from the chaff, how many pages has this thread I started gone to? "

25 PAGES , OH Boy another 75 and you may just match the last Malakas we had on the forum a couple of years back , he posted under the name of , guess what ? MALAKAS !!!
If I were you I would stick to road sweeping , your day job , because your contributions on the political front are utterly useless .
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Postby Oracle » Fri May 29, 2009 1:58 pm

Sega wrote:Cypriot identity is a myth, and the person who started this threat knows what he means.


You too are getting mixed up with the political reality of Cypriot citizenship, which I assure you is not a myth just as political British citizenship is not a myth, or American citizenship etc.

I am Greek, my Turkish neighbor is Turkish, and the Arab and his Arab wife who had two children whilst living in Cyprus, have Cypriot children, but they are still Arabs, just like I am still Greek.


That's your ethnicity you are now referring to, just as British people can say they are Indian or Irish, and Americans can say they are Komanchi or Spanish or Italian etc.

Within the political arrangement of Cypriot, the Turks and Greeks and Armenian etc can co-exist as equal citizens regardless of their cultural inheritances.
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Re: The Cypriot identity is a myth

Postby joe » Fri May 29, 2009 1:59 pm

Kifeas wrote:
james_mav wrote:If the Serbs and the Montenegrins cannot agree to both be Yugoslavs, how in the name of God can turks and Greeks agree to both be Cypriots? There is no such thing as a Cypriot, apart from an almost convenient political definition (and even that didn't work). There are just Greeks and turks, just like there were Greeks and turks on Crete before its own enosis.

The Cypriot ethnicity is lunacy just like the (slavo) "Macedonian" ethnicity. Any solution to the Cyprus problem that does not acknowledge this fact is doomed to fail.


Yeah, Right!!! And since you have now discovered the "tachinopitta," which in fact coincides with the Turkish thesis on Cyprus -namely that there are two peoples and two nations in Cyprus and thus each should be entitled to a separate self-determination right; tell us now "re achriste" what kind of a solution to you propose we should adopt, in order to solve the Cyprus issue? Tell us “re ilithio kataskevasma pou se troi o kolos sou tzie pethima gamisi,” tell us what kind of a solution you propose!!! Partition???


Wait a minute, partition was mentioned by you not that long ago. You even created maps showing 18 percent of the North belonging to Turkish Cypriots. This thread is getting out of hand. I say everyone goes back to their original homes and everyone can call themselves what ever the fuck they want just like in other western countries. You have Italian Canadians, Greek Canadians, Cuban Canadians, and some just like to be called Canadians. FUCKING GROW UP PEOPLE.
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Re: The Cypriot identity is a myth

Postby Kifeas » Fri May 29, 2009 2:18 pm

joe wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
james_mav wrote:If the Serbs and the Montenegrins cannot agree to both be Yugoslavs, how in the name of God can turks and Greeks agree to both be Cypriots? There is no such thing as a Cypriot, apart from an almost convenient political definition (and even that didn't work). There are just Greeks and turks, just like there were Greeks and turks on Crete before its own enosis.

The Cypriot ethnicity is lunacy just like the (slavo) "Macedonian" ethnicity. Any solution to the Cyprus problem that does not acknowledge this fact is doomed to fail.


Yeah, Right!!! And since you have now discovered the "tachinopitta," which in fact coincides with the Turkish thesis on Cyprus -namely that there are two peoples and two nations in Cyprus and thus each should be entitled to a separate self-determination right; tell us now "re achriste" what kind of a solution to you propose we should adopt, in order to solve the Cyprus issue? Tell us “re ilithio kataskevasma pou se troi o kolos sou tzie pethima gamisi,” tell us what kind of a solution you propose!!! Partition???


Wait a minute, partition was mentioned by you not that long ago. You even created maps showing 18 percent of the North belonging to Turkish Cypriots. This thread is getting out of hand. I say everyone goes back to their original homes and everyone can call themselves what ever the fuck they want just like in other western countries. You have Italian Canadians, Greek Canadians, Cuban Canadians, and some just like to be called Canadians. FUCKING GROW UP PEOPLE.


"Joe," cut the crap!!! What I said before, and within what context I said it, has nothing to do with what the Turks and their agent parrots in this forum want or try to pass around! It is one thing to say to the Turks, "fine, if you believe you are a separate people or nation and you want partition, 18% is the most you are entitled" -knowing full well that they will never be able to accommodate such a possibility and enclave themselves into only the 18% of Cyprus; and another thing to act as the mouthpiece and the agent (praktoras) of the Turkish thesis and aims in Cyprus! This "praktoras" of the Turkish interests, called "James_mav," as well some other Turkish "praktores" such as "Polis," etc, are only trying to vindicate and legitimize the well known Turkish thesis that calls for "two separate nations and two peoples in Cyprus, and thus two separate self-determination rights!" Notice how they bring into the picture the cases of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, just exactly how Serdar Denkatsh brought the same two cases into perspective in order to legitimize his partition or confederation calls. Do not give me this crap, about what I said or I did not say, because the two things are totally unrelated!
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Re: The Cypriot identity is a myth

Postby Oracle » Fri May 29, 2009 2:38 pm

joe wrote: everyone can call themselves what ever the fuck they want just like in other western countries. You have Italian Canadians, Greek Canadians, Cuban Canadians, and some just like to be called Canadians.


They are all Canadian by Nationality (by legality), but their ethnicity might be from any other pre-existing ethnicity and is not a necessary prerequisite of anything politically significant such as voting, paying taxes etc.

But what you do not have is a partition of Canada into regions specifically for those Greek arrivals or a bit of Canada for those Italian newcomers.

The Aboriginal peoples are probably the only ones for whom the term Canadian can have an ethnic connotations as well, but even they prefer to be called Crowfoot etc. ... but they are still, simply, all Canadian Nationals .... just as legal Citizens of Cyprus are all, regardless of secondary ethnicity, Cypriots.
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Re: The Cypriot identity is a myth

Postby zan » Fri May 29, 2009 2:43 pm

Kifeas wrote:
joe wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
james_mav wrote:If the Serbs and the Montenegrins cannot agree to both be Yugoslavs, how in the name of God can turks and Greeks agree to both be Cypriots? There is no such thing as a Cypriot, apart from an almost convenient political definition (and even that didn't work). There are just Greeks and turks, just like there were Greeks and turks on Crete before its own enosis.

The Cypriot ethnicity is lunacy just like the (slavo) "Macedonian" ethnicity. Any solution to the Cyprus problem that does not acknowledge this fact is doomed to fail.


Yeah, Right!!! And since you have now discovered the "tachinopitta," which in fact coincides with the Turkish thesis on Cyprus -namely that there are two peoples and two nations in Cyprus and thus each should be entitled to a separate self-determination right; tell us now "re achriste" what kind of a solution to you propose we should adopt, in order to solve the Cyprus issue? Tell us “re ilithio kataskevasma pou se troi o kolos sou tzie pethima gamisi,” tell us what kind of a solution you propose!!! Partition???


Wait a minute, partition was mentioned by you not that long ago. You even created maps showing 18 percent of the North belonging to Turkish Cypriots. This thread is getting out of hand. I say everyone goes back to their original homes and everyone can call themselves what ever the fuck they want just like in other western countries. You have Italian Canadians, Greek Canadians, Cuban Canadians, and some just like to be called Canadians. FUCKING GROW UP PEOPLE.


"Joe," cut the crap!!! What I said before, and within what context I said it, has nothing to do with what the Turks and their agent parrots in this forum want or try to pass around! It is one thing to say to the Turks, "fine, if you believe you are a separate people or nation and you want partition, 18% is the most you are entitled" -knowing full well that they will never be able to accommodate such a possibility and enclave themselves into only the 18% of Cyprus; and another thing to act as the mouthpiece and the agent (praktoras) of the Turkish thesis and aims in Cyprus! This "praktoras" of the Turkish interests, called "James_mav," as well some other Turkish "praktores" such as "Polis," etc, are only trying to vindicate and legitimize the well known Turkish thesis that calls for "two separate nations and two peoples in Cyprus, and thus two separate self-determination rights!" Notice how they bring into the picture the cases of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, just exactly how Serdar Denkatsh brought the same two cases into perspective in order to legitimize his partition or confederation calls. Do not give me this crap, about what I said or I did not say, because the two things are totally unrelated!



I think you have just endorsed what Joe said...PARTITION.....Partition on your terms... :roll: We are entitled to a working percentage. Simple. You take control of the government and you still want the lions share of land. What do you lose Kifeas..... :roll: :roll:
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Fri May 29, 2009 2:44 pm

As always Kifeas

Whatever you say one day is totally unrelated to whatever you say the next.

Please give my regards to your mother. I hope she is well.

Small question.

How much rent does she pay?
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