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[Jerry]

With my Moderator's hat on; clearly a number of people find the Signature offensive; the problem (possibly) lies with different interpration of the translation.

The matter is now with Admin, whom, in his immense wisdom (and Greek/English dictionary!) will rule on its acceptablity.

Lana

That won't be necessary.

I have removed the signature but will also remove myself from this forum.

I have had my say, made friends and enemies, learned all I need to learn about Cyprus and so there is no point in continuing any further.

I wish you all the best. Some of you can remain in contact via email or phone if you wish, but I can't continue on a forum where people can't express themselves however they like.

Please note that I do not endorse the phrase as it is not to my tastes.

Bye bye Paphitis. I'm sorry you are leaving. Some of your posts have been quite interesting but you really, in my opinion, did over - step the mark. If losing you means that Tim will return then perhaps you have done the forum a favour.

[Byron]

WTF is going on here FFS? Does this saying literally mean " the only good turk is a dead turk" ? YES or NO? if "YES" then it is racist and utterly stupid.

umit07 ... I don't know the origins of this maxim. We need someone like AlexISS who is well versed on matters political and historical.

But the translation you have opted for ... branded by reactionary fools (like Miltiades) is definitely wrong.

A closer translation, I would say, bearing in mind linguistics nuances, would be "Only in death can a Turk be good" ... which as axioms go, is a pretty standard aphorism to make an example of those who habitually err.

I endorse the same understanding. It's got nothing to do with race or genocide, the expression has been around since ottoman times and if I am not mistaken the ottomans had a similar expression to the so called "infidels".

[Tim Drayton]

I am back, then.

It is hard to draw the line between protecting free speech and banning outright racist or fascist slogans, but I think this one clearly crossed the line.

If anybody is interested or concerned enough, this same slogan is to be found painted in a prominent place beside a main road in Mesa Geitonia, Limassol near the junction of Grigori Afxentiou and Spyrou Kyprianou.

[Tim Drayton]

Milkiates wrote
I know that amongst us there are thousands of Cypriots who would endorse my sentiments on this issue. I'm certain Kifeas , Piratis would agree .

Thousands who share your view and opinions, you be lucky to find 4 others or as they say "quattro gatti"

In that case, why should any Turkish Cypriot support reunification?

[Jerry]

My beloved brothers and sisters...

Please calm down , it's a signature and to me like all good sigs, it provokes thought and debate, reasoned debate.

Come on Bill, it's a bit more than that. One of our most articulate and interesting posters ( Tim) has said he wants nothing to do with a racist site. It looks like we may lose him because of this slogan.

My dear Jerry,

May I beg you and others to go back to the first page of this thread where our P posts twice and where he says something like....

1. He is using the sig as a protest in support of free expression and
2. He gives us an interpretation of what it means to him and what he is getting across to us... And here he says ... That Turks are not to be trusted.

I think he makes these two things clear and yet some have chosen, for the usual reasons, to ignore these two points.

(P. Sorry to post in your defense, I know you don't need a plonker like me to do this)

Which is why I said it should be qualified/explained on each post Bill. Visitors to this site would not necessarily understand the context of the slogan. That aside, Tim did say he would leave the forum because of it.

[miltiades]

I too am worried we will lose articulate pro-Cypriot posters like james_mav who has not become familiar with Miltiades' bully tactics ...

Miltiades' comprehension is infantile at best. He is incapable of reflective reasoning. He seems to think he has a monopoly on who gets to post on this forum.

He has admitted himself on this forum that he has PM'd me to stop posting. He is a vile dictator who has the same habits as the Turks he feels affiliated to.

Tim Drayton has been here long enough to know what the forum is about. Indeed, was he not the one who started a thread regarding some graffiti, "Kill Turks" ?

... In which case he is merely supporting Miltiades in driving away free-speaking GCs who are new to the forum. Passive aggressive manipulative underhand tactics!

My PM to you some time ago , was to encourage you to be less destructive and more constructive to the Cyprus cause.
Here it is to refresh your memory.
xxxxx , I'm not playing at all ! I write what I stand for . I'm almost 62 and have had these sentiments for many many years now . I love Cyprus so much that I have to ensure that it survives the onslaught of fanatics in years to come so that my grandchildren and yours , when you have some , will live in a peaceful world. You are no doubt an educated individual , me a mere businessman , but a realist that knows full well that only rapprochement with our T/C compatriots will achieve a just and safe future for our Cyprus.
May I also say that I find your posts lively and fully charged but sadly off target at times .Bir is my friend , my very dear friend and so is Kikapu .Also MRfromNG and I can honestly say that I have gathered a few precious little stones ready to use in building just a tiny bridge between our people. I'm respected by many in the " North" but all know where I stand when it comes to the pseudo state ! My son in law is a regular in the Cypriot army , he is a diver I think they are called OYNK , a tough little guy who doesnt see eye to eye with dadio all the time but he adores me and me him .""

There is nothing dictatorial in my above email to you.
Of course I would never post your own PMs to me but since you have already made public a PM I sent you go ahead and post a few more .
In the meantime just remember that the RoC is engaged in a political campaign right now right this minute and can do without inflammatory insensitive and destructive comments from you or anyone else.
Regards
Yiannis Miltiades known by all as John !

[Oracle]

I am back, then.

I want Paphitis back!

[Byron]

Milkiates wrote
I know that amongst us there are thousands of Cypriots who would endorse my sentiments on this issue. I'm certain Kifeas , Piratis would agree .

Thousands who share your view and opinions, you be lucky to find 4 others or as they say "quattro gatti"

In that case, why should any Turkish Cypriot support reunification?

What is your question ?

[miltiades]

I am back, then.

It is hard to draw the line between protecting free speech and banning outright racist or fascist slogans, but I think this one clearly crossed the line.

If anybody is interested or concerned enough, this same slogan is to be found painted in a prominent place beside a main road in Mesa Geitonia, Limassol near the junction of Grigori Afxentiou and Spyrou Kyprianou.

Welcome back Tim . Have noted the location of this slogan and will attend to it on my next visit !!!

[miltiades]

I am back, then.

I want Paphitis back!

He will after he posts his ... epitaph on a grave stone !!!
Until then you have me , you lucky woman