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Postby Oracle » Mon May 25, 2009 3:37 pm

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Oracle wrote:So long as you both agree that Turkey is filling the void left by Iraq .... then, good luck Turkey, as the end is nigh ..... :lol:

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, I very much doubt any western power would want to (or even could) invade Turkey in the next generation or so. To my limited understanding the fears of the turk military are (roughly in order of seriousness/likelyhood):
- Kurdish insurrection causing internal destabilisation. Amplified by an oil rich and autonomous Kurdish region in Iraq, by far and away the biggest threat. Also turkey is more exposed to international criticism (as opposed to Iran, Iraq, and Syria) for their treatment of kurds, so they have to be more restrained in how they respond to kurd aggression.
- Russia pushing back on turk influence in and around the black and caspian seas, by force if necessary (as demonstrated in Georgia last year, and potentially again this summer)
- Limited conflict with Greece in the Aegean. While a stalemate is the most likely outcome of a full scale war, Greece would opt for denying access to shipping of all flags to the Black Sea in an attempt to strange turkey economically and bring international pressure to bear. Serious mainland conflict is unlikely due to the massive buildup of hardware, making the risk to either side too great to attempt anything. In any case, unlikely.
As far as their Anglo-American patrons go, turkey walks a fine line between aligning herself with the US and the UK while at the same time putting out the feelers to Iran and Syria, who after North Korea are the two most likely nations to be in the crosshairs of the US. How long turkey can play this game of being a friend of so many competing powers is the question.


I think Turkey's new stance/tactic is a consequence of losing the backing of Bush. Obama in the most diplomatic way possible, has stated he does not support the methods of Turkey. Faced with no US or EU propping up ... Turkey turn to their Islamic foundations. But their knee-jerk reaction of condemning Israel, is a consequence of losing the power-politics Turkey has been enjoying for the last 8 years.

You have summarised well the instability of Turkey amidst its many neighbourly/border disputes and its lack of any real wealth ... Like the Byzantine Eagle, it faces East and West and whilst that was appropriate a thousand and more years ago ... today, such dichotomy will leave Turkey even weaker.

I don't advocate doing to Turkey what was done to Afghanistan and Iraq, but more sane measures, against such a weakened state, can disarm Turkey effectively and stop it radiating threats within the region.
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Postby james_mav » Mon May 25, 2009 3:49 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
james_mav wrote:
Oracle wrote:This is the result of a combination of constant EU pressure, plus Obama's (Greek lobby inspired) meeting last month, culminating in Turkey realising they have no more free, unconditional support from the Occidental Superpowers.

This terrorist-led country, building up nuclear capability, has a long way to go in reversing its thoughtlessly chosen path ....

Let's hope the next admission is their mistake of continued armed occupation in Cyprus.

I don't think you're right at all. If anything american influence in ankara is waning rather than strengthening. My opinion is that this is more about ankara's desire to become something of a regional power by winning the hearts and minds of the region, the vast majority of whom are muslim and/or arab. Despite the cordial relations of the last 10 or so years, public enemy number 1 is Israel, and the turks are admitting previous sins (and as you say, also hopefully making amends) so as to clear the decks in order to enable rhetorical attacks against the state of Israel, who also performed fascists acts such as expelling "minorities".


Clever man... Oracle has a lot to learn from u. Then she might be able to comrehend what's really going on... :D


So long as you both agree that Turkey is filling the void left by Iraq .... then, good luck Turkey, as the end is nigh ..... :lol:


However, there r a few things James is not knowledged. Israel is not enemy number one of Turkey. Khazar Turks r jews and Turkey has significant interest realtions with Jews. Another issue James is pretending he is not aware is that expulsion of minorities happened in all Eastern European countries(including Greece) and Middle Eastern Countries. Expulsion of minorities in those nation states hapened under the then circumstances. It can be considered as a fascistic action but we need to take into consideration the then circumstances of those countries when evaluateing the issue.

U r(especially Oracle) tending to interprete most of the issues regarding Turkey as end of her existence bcz that's what suits ur self-interests...

Actually on this matter, believe it or not I am able to have an objective discussion.

Yes, Greece "expelled" some of her minorities. Greece expelled the bulk of her mulsim minority - this expulsion was under the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne, was agreed to both by the republic of turkey, and the western powers, and was actually the population exchange between Greece and turkey that settled the war of the early 1920's. Greeks do not condemn turkey for this (although they do condemn the attempted genocide of the Pontic Greeks).

Greece further expelled a small number of cham albanians who collaborated with the nazis during world war 2, some of whom were undoubtedly dispossessed and expelled unfairly. Greece also expelled a large portion of her Christian slavophone population in a kind of unofficial mini population exchange (albeit one-sided) because this population were being willingly used by foreign powers in a concerted effort to disembowel Greece at a time of critical weakness (the civil war that followed WWII). Given that these populations were complicit in that war against the established Greek state, and given that their political ideology ran counter to that of the dominant western European powers, nobody really cared then, and nobody really cares now. In fact, the slavophones are even to this day pushing their luck and testing the patience of the western alliance (even though the issue is well and truly settled).

I think that Israel is not a natural political and ideological ally of turkey, although being the two least liked and least trusted powers in that part of the world, they have each made a pact with the devil for the time being. It appears to be unraveling at the moment, starting with the Davos outburst. These two countries however will never go to war with bombs and missiles. The damage they can inflict on each other will be political: turkey will support Iran, Syria, and the Palestinians, while the Israeli lobby will get to work undermining turkey in the eyes of the Great Satan. Israel simply does not harbour expansionist aims; their aggressiveness derives from a desire to have strategic buffers (the Golan, Lebanon, a neutral Egypt & Jordan, and concentration camps for their unwanted Palestinian non-citizens). It is simply incomprehensible that Israel would have any designs on turkish territory or interests apart from her own defensive needs.

The image problem that turkey now has is the basically incontrovertible evidence that it ethnically cleansed its Armenian minority during the 1920's, and it ethnically cleansed the Greek Cypriot population from parts of their own sovereign nation in the 1970's. Regardless of the circumstances of the time, this is what people remember. No doubt a turk will make an excellent case for why these episodes of ethnic cleansing were not in fact ethnic cleansing, or that they were somehow not as bad as reported, or were perhaps somehow necessary or required or beneficial (or whatever) under the circumstances. At the end of the day, what remains to an independent third party observer is that weak minority populations were ethnically cleansed by a strong military power, and the complicity continues to this day: turkey continues to occupy Cyprus and does not recognise the government of Cyprus, and has embargoed Armenia and threatened her with invasion. This is the reality of Turkey's image problem, and the one I think erdogan is trying to distance turkey from. Good luck!
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Postby ahristos » Mon May 25, 2009 4:46 pm

TURKS CANT TUTCH OTER NATOS MEMBER CAUNTRY
ALSO EU HAVE BIG POWER...
TURKS KNOE IF THEY START COMFLICT MONEY STOP
TO FLOW FROM EU.... PARA PARA TURKS WOND AND NEED
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Postby james_mav » Mon May 25, 2009 4:48 pm

ahristos wrote:TURKS CANT TUTCH OTER NATOS MEMBER CAUNTRY
ALSO EU HAVE BIG POWER...
TURKS KNOE IF THEY START COMFLICT MONEY STOP
TO FLOW FROM EU.... PARA PARA TURKS WOND AND NEED

You think? They have pushed the envelope pretty far in the Aegean. What are the obligations of NATO countries in the event that two NATO members attack eachother?
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Postby DT. » Mon May 25, 2009 5:34 pm

james_mav wrote:
ahristos wrote:TURKS CANT TUTCH OTER NATOS MEMBER CAUNTRY
ALSO EU HAVE BIG POWER...
TURKS KNOE IF THEY START COMFLICT MONEY STOP
TO FLOW FROM EU.... PARA PARA TURKS WOND AND NEED

You think? They have pushed the envelope pretty far in the Aegean. What are the obligations of NATO countries in the event that two NATO members attack eachother?


"An attack on one is an attack on all" turns into "the smallest guy gets it"
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Postby boomerang » Mon May 25, 2009 6:32 pm

james_mav wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
james_mav wrote:
Oracle wrote:This is the result of a combination of constant EU pressure, plus Obama's (Greek lobby inspired) meeting last month, culminating in Turkey realising they have no more free, unconditional support from the Occidental Superpowers.

This terrorist-led country, building up nuclear capability, has a long way to go in reversing its thoughtlessly chosen path ....

Let's hope the next admission is their mistake of continued armed occupation in Cyprus.

I don't think you're right at all. If anything american influence in ankara is waning rather than strengthening. My opinion is that this is more about ankara's desire to become something of a regional power by winning the hearts and minds of the region, the vast majority of whom are muslim and/or arab. Despite the cordial relations of the last 10 or so years, public enemy number 1 is Israel, and the turks are admitting previous sins (and as you say, also hopefully making amends) so as to clear the decks in order to enable rhetorical attacks against the state of Israel, who also performed fascists acts such as expelling "minorities".


Clever man... Oracle has a lot to learn from u. Then she might be able to comrehend what's really going on... :D


So long as you both agree that Turkey is filling the void left by Iraq .... then, good luck Turkey, as the end is nigh ..... :lol:


However, there r a few things James is not knowledged. Israel is not enemy number one of Turkey. Khazar Turks r jews and Turkey has significant interest realtions with Jews. Another issue James is pretending he is not aware is that expulsion of minorities happened in all Eastern European countries(including Greece) and Middle Eastern Countries. Expulsion of minorities in those nation states hapened under the then circumstances. It can be considered as a fascistic action but we need to take into consideration the then circumstances of those countries when evaluateing the issue.

U r(especially Oracle) tending to interprete most of the issues regarding Turkey as end of her existence bcz that's what suits ur self-interests...

Actually on this matter, believe it or not I am able to have an objective discussion.

Yes, Greece "expelled" some of her minorities. Greece expelled the bulk of her mulsim minority - this expulsion was under the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne, was agreed to both by the republic of turkey, and the western powers, and was actually the population exchange between Greece and turkey that settled the war of the early 1920's. Greeks do not condemn turkey for this (although they do condemn the attempted genocide of the Pontic Greeks).

Greece further expelled a small number of cham albanians who collaborated with the nazis during world war 2, some of whom were undoubtedly dispossessed and expelled unfairly. Greece also expelled a large portion of her Christian slavophone population in a kind of unofficial mini population exchange (albeit one-sided) because this population were being willingly used by foreign powers in a concerted effort to disembowel Greece at a time of critical weakness (the civil war that followed WWII). Given that these populations were complicit in that war against the established Greek state, and given that their political ideology ran counter to that of the dominant western European powers, nobody really cared then, and nobody really cares now. In fact, the slavophones are even to this day pushing their luck and testing the patience of the western alliance (even though the issue is well and truly settled).

I think that Israel is not a natural political and ideological ally of turkey, although being the two least liked and least trusted powers in that part of the world, they have each made a pact with the devil for the time being. It appears to be unraveling at the moment, starting with the Davos outburst. These two countries however will never go to war with bombs and missiles. The damage they can inflict on each other will be political: turkey will support Iran, Syria, and the Palestinians, while the Israeli lobby will get to work undermining turkey in the eyes of the Great Satan. Israel simply does not harbour expansionist aims; their aggressiveness derives from a desire to have strategic buffers (the Golan, Lebanon, a neutral Egypt & Jordan, and concentration camps for their unwanted Palestinian non-citizens). It is simply incomprehensible that Israel would have any designs on turkish territory or interests apart from her own defensive needs.

The image problem that turkey now has is the basically incontrovertible evidence that it ethnically cleansed its Armenian minority during the 1920's, and it ethnically cleansed the Greek Cypriot population from parts of their own sovereign nation in the 1970's. Regardless of the circumstances of the time, this is what people remember. No doubt a turk will make an excellent case for why these episodes of ethnic cleansing were not in fact ethnic cleansing, or that they were somehow not as bad as reported, or were perhaps somehow necessary or required or beneficial (or whatever) under the circumstances. At the end of the day, what remains to an independent third party observer is that weak minority populations were ethnically cleansed by a strong military power, and the complicity continues to this day: turkey continues to occupy Cyprus and does not recognise the government of Cyprus, and has embargoed Armenia and threatened her with invasion. This is the reality of Turkey's image problem, and the one I think erdogan is trying to distance turkey from. Good luck!


the biggest problem today in the region is Israel attacking Iran....hell will break lose for the neighbouring nations...Israel will be attacked from all corners and from within...

It will be the mother of descruction as its brewing to a boiling point...

a defiant Israel is seeking to involved/provoke the US into another quagmire...

surely at this stage with US will have no choice but joining in, with devastation all around...

I just hope the nukes stay in the bunkers...otherewise Cyprus could be in the firing line from the fallout...unleavable...
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Postby EPSILON » Mon May 25, 2009 6:38 pm

Oracle wrote:This is the result of a combination of constant EU pressure, plus Obama's (Greek lobby inspired) meeting last month, culminating in Turkey realising they have no more free, unconditional support from the Occidental Superpowers.

This terrorist-led country, building up nuclear capability, has a long way to go in reversing its thoughtlessly chosen path ....

Let's hope the next admission is their mistake of continued armed occupation in Cyprus.


Do not rush-something is to be gained by Turkey because of this statement.
Example: now they are demanding a Turkish university to operate in the Greek Thrake!!!
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Postby insan » Mon May 25, 2009 7:11 pm

james_mav wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
james_mav wrote:
Oracle wrote:This is the result of a combination of constant EU pressure, plus Obama's (Greek lobby inspired) meeting last month, culminating in Turkey realising they have no more free, unconditional support from the Occidental Superpowers.

This terrorist-led country, building up nuclear capability, has a long way to go in reversing its thoughtlessly chosen path ....

Let's hope the next admission is their mistake of continued armed occupation in Cyprus.

I don't think you're right at all. If anything american influence in ankara is waning rather than strengthening. My opinion is that this is more about ankara's desire to become something of a regional power by winning the hearts and minds of the region, the vast majority of whom are muslim and/or arab. Despite the cordial relations of the last 10 or so years, public enemy number 1 is Israel, and the turks are admitting previous sins (and as you say, also hopefully making amends) so as to clear the decks in order to enable rhetorical attacks against the state of Israel, who also performed fascists acts such as expelling "minorities".


Clever man... Oracle has a lot to learn from u. Then she might be able to comrehend what's really going on... :D


So long as you both agree that Turkey is filling the void left by Iraq .... then, good luck Turkey, as the end is nigh ..... :lol:


However, there r a few things James is not knowledged. Israel is not enemy number one of Turkey. Khazar Turks r jews and Turkey has significant interest realtions with Jews. Another issue James is pretending he is not aware is that expulsion of minorities happened in all Eastern European countries(including Greece) and Middle Eastern Countries. Expulsion of minorities in those nation states hapened under the then circumstances. It can be considered as a fascistic action but we need to take into consideration the then circumstances of those countries when evaluateing the issue.

U r(especially Oracle) tending to interprete most of the issues regarding Turkey as end of her existence bcz that's what suits ur self-interests...

Actually on this matter, believe it or not I am able to have an objective discussion.

Yes, Greece "expelled" some of her minorities. Greece expelled the bulk of her mulsim minority - this expulsion was under the terms of the Treaty of Lausanne, was agreed to both by the republic of turkey, and the western powers, and was actually the population exchange between Greece and turkey that settled the war of the early 1920's. Greeks do not condemn turkey for this (although they do condemn the attempted genocide of the Pontic Greeks).

Greece further expelled a small number of cham albanians who collaborated with the nazis during world war 2, some of whom were undoubtedly dispossessed and expelled unfairly. Greece also expelled a large portion of her Christian slavophone population in a kind of unofficial mini population exchange (albeit one-sided) because this population were being willingly used by foreign powers in a concerted effort to disembowel Greece at a time of critical weakness (the civil war that followed WWII). Given that these populations were complicit in that war against the established Greek state, and given that their political ideology ran counter to that of the dominant western European powers, nobody really cared then, and nobody really cares now. In fact, the slavophones are even to this day pushing their luck and testing the patience of the western alliance (even though the issue is well and truly settled).

I think that Israel is not a natural political and ideological ally of turkey, although being the two least liked and least trusted powers in that part of the world, they have each made a pact with the devil for the time being. It appears to be unraveling at the moment, starting with the Davos outburst. These two countries however will never go to war with bombs and missiles. The damage they can inflict on each other will be political: turkey will support Iran, Syria, and the Palestinians, while the Israeli lobby will get to work undermining turkey in the eyes of the Great Satan. Israel simply does not harbour expansionist aims; their aggressiveness derives from a desire to have strategic buffers (the Golan, Lebanon, a neutral Egypt & Jordan, and concentration camps for their unwanted Palestinian non-citizens). It is simply incomprehensible that Israel would have any designs on turkish territory or interests apart from her own defensive needs.

The image problem that turkey now has is the basically incontrovertible evidence that it ethnically cleansed its Armenian minority during the 1920's, and it ethnically cleansed the Greek Cypriot population from parts of their own sovereign nation in the 1970's. Regardless of the circumstances of the time, this is what people remember. No doubt a turk will make an excellent case for why these episodes of ethnic cleansing were not in fact ethnic cleansing, or that they were somehow not as bad as reported, or were perhaps somehow necessary or required or beneficial (or whatever) under the circumstances. At the end of the day, what remains to an independent third party observer is that weak minority populations were ethnically cleansed by a strong military power, and the complicity continues to this day: turkey continues to occupy Cyprus and does not recognise the government of Cyprus, and has embargoed Armenia and threatened her with invasion. This is the reality of Turkey's image problem, and the one I think erdogan is trying to distance turkey from. Good luck!



I can understand greeze's disturbance.

Who Encircles Whom? Israeli–Turkish Flanking of Syria Warms Relations Between Greece and Iran
By John P. Nordin
On June 28, 1999, the Greek defense minister visited Tehran. While he was there he claimed, and his hosts confirmed, that a defense agreement was going to be finalized between the two countries.1 Immediately there was a curious reaction from the U.S. State Department. The spokesperson denied such a pact existed, and cited as his source the U.S. Embassy in Greece. However, official Greek sources never confirmed this denial.2

At first glance an alliance of Greece and Iran seems like an odd coupling that is without connection to larger strategic issues. On second thought, however, it makes sense, and so does the U.S. government’s wish that it would go away.

Greece and the Middle East
The meeting in Tehran was neither the beginning nor the end of Greek engagement with Iran. Two weeks later on July 12, the deputy foreign ministers of Greece and Iran met in Athens with their counterpart from Armenia for one in a series of annual meetings. In early September, the three foreign ministers met in Athens to sign agreements on a number of economic topics including, perhaps, Greek participation in an Armenian-Iran pipeline.3

Now that would make sense. Armenia and Turkey are certainly not allies. Since Armenia is supported by Russia, that brings the Russians into the equation. And Russia, remember, was going to provide missiles to Cyprus—missiles over which the Turks threatened to go to war.

So it could appear that the Greek outreach to Iran is motivated primarily by an aggressive desire to encircle Turkey. However, that conclusion omits too much of the context. Greek foreign policy is often driven by a search for allies to protect itself against its much larger Turkish neighbor.

Greeks have long hoped that its—and Turkey’s—membership in Western European institutions would do that, bringing publicity to bear on the Cyprus issue and also on what Greece views as Turkish claims against its territory. This hope has generally not been realized, leading to tension in Greece.

Then came Kosovo. In the West, Greek support for the Serbs is usually portrayed as little more than a semi-rational identification with their Christian Orthodox co-religionists. This is of a piece with Western views of Greek relations to the Middle East, which still assume the context of the socialist government of Andreas Papandreaou in the ’80s, when extreme Greek rhetoric and casualness about terrorism and security were upsetting Europe and the U.S.4

Those policies have long since been abandoned, and this view trivializes Greek concern with NATO. Memories of U.S. manipulation of Greek politics leads to Greeks being edgy about an extensive intervention into the Balkans by a U.S.-led NATO.

Greeks are upset that years of Turkish ethnic cleansing of its Kurdish population has produced little reaction from Europe or the U.S., even though the casualties may have been 10 times the number of victims of the atrocities that NATO used to justify intervention in Kosovo.5 Nor did it help that NATO bombed a Greek column bringing relief supplies to refugees.6 Opposition in Greece was extensive and angry, leading in one comic incident to a rearrangement of road signs in Thessaloniki, causing a NATO convoy to beach itself in the local vegetable market.7

Prime Minister Costas Simitis conducted a careful balancing act, avoiding active Greek participation in the NATO war that would have jeopardized his government, yet keeping the United States content with the level of cooperation it was receiving. Perhaps a more aggressive outreach to the Middle East only seems a prudent expansion of Greek options.

Iran’s Perspective
In welcoming Greek diplomacy, Iran was not acting merely out of hospitality, nor out of mutual admiration of their ancient cultures (a theme of much diplomatic banter when Greek President Constantinos Stephanopoulos visited Tehran last October). Again, Turkey is a key factor.

Turkey is regularly described as crucial because it is the “only Western Muslim democracy,” providing a bridge between the West and the Islamic world. This, however, ignores the reality that Turkey’s relations with the Muslim world are difficult.

Turkey is officially secular and its military has limited Islamic political influence. In fact, the Iranian press regularly expresses concern about the suppression of Islamic expression in Turkey, where even wearing a woman’s headscarf in a school or government office can be controversial. Thus Iran is attracted politically to countries that are not enamored of Turkey.

Other Iranian concerns are dictated by its interests in Syria, with which there is growing cooperation. By contrast, Turkey and Syria have nearly gone to war over the Kurds, and Turkey’s plans to build dams on the Euphrates and restrict the flow of river water to Syria.

Economics also is a factor. Greece’s imports from Iran are almost entirely oil. President Stephanopolous brought a delegation of business people with him to Iran, signaling a desire for expanded business connections8—welcome to Iranian officials given the economic struggles the country is undergoing.

Encircling Syria
However important these issues, the key factor in Greek-Iranian relations is the defense agreement signed by Turkey and Israel in 1996. Contents of this pact have been only partially revealed. The public provisions include access to port facilities, exchange of military personnel and information, and allowing the Israeli air force to train in Turkey’s large airspace.

The common U. S. weapons systems of the two countries have also led to contracts for upgrades and training between the two countries.9 Additionally, Turkey has benefited from enlisting Israel’s politically potent U.S. lobby to advocate its interests in Washington.10

The existence of this level of military cooperation contributes, on the one hand, to Middle Eastern countries looking to connect with countries less sympathetic to Turkey (i.e., Greece) and, on the other, to Greece looking to Arab countries and Iran for support against Turkey.

A direct target of the Israeli–Turkish axis is Syria, as the defense agreement gives Israel a way of flanking, if not encircling its Syrian neighbor. The treaty apparently also created joint Turkish-Israeli listening posts on Turkey’s borders with Syria, Iraq and Iran that send intelligence directly to the Israeli armed forces.11

The military agreement increases Israeli power in dealing with Syrian proxies in south Lebanon, and in negotiating with Syria for return of the Golan Heights. Israel might not be willing to risk the international consequences of an aggressive war on Syria, but Turkey, covertly aided by Israel, could likely do so (it nearly did last year) with fewer consequences.

Circling Back
However, all these nations are, from time to time, playing one country off against another. Immediately after the Greek president’s successful trip to Iran, Iran turned around and had a positive exchange of ideas with Turkish officials on a variety of economic topics.

Equally quickly after Greece’s alleged efforts to encircle Turkey, Greece and Turkey launched the most wide-ranging talks they have had in years. This is popularly considered to be the spontaneous result of human sympathy in the wake of the earthquakes. However much that added impetus to the effort, the new Greek foreign minister had laid the groundwork for this development before the disasters occurred, a development to which his Turkish opposite number was receptive.

Thus, it would not be the least bit surprising if Greece’s overtures to Iran were aimed in part at provoking some concession from NATO. Likewise, Iranian overtures to Greece may be designed to increase U.S. motivation to court Iran.

Thus U.S. reluctance to acknowledge warming relations between Greece and Iran springs both from a State Department choice to ignore another crack in its crumbling containment policy, and not to call attention to the consequences of the military cooperation agreement between Israel and Turkey.

Dr. John P. Nordin is a free-lance writer living in the Denver area.



Footnotes

1Stratfor, “Greece Announces Pending Defense Pact with Iran and Armenia,” July 1, 1999. www.stratfor.com

2Stratfor, “Greece Assures U.S.—No Military Accord with Iran,” July 3, 1999. “Greece, Iran discuss defense sector cooperation,” Embassy of Greece (in the U. S.) Press Office, June 29, 1999.

3“Greece, Armenia and Iran sign cooperation memorandum,” Embassy of Greece (in the U. S.) Press Office, Sept. 9, 1999.

4Spiros Kaminaris, “Greece and the Middle East,” Middle East Review of International Affairs, Vol. 3:2, June 1999.

5Jennifer Washburn, “Turkey and Israel Lock Arms,” The Progressive Magazine, December 1998.

6Athens News Agency, “Greek humanitarian convoy in Kosovo bombed,” May 6, 1999.

7Associated Press, “Turn left at the tomatoes,” April 29, 1999.

8“Stephanopoulos arrives in Tehran,” Kathimerini English Edition, Oct. 13, 1999.

9Alain Gresh, “Turkish-Israeli-Syrian Relations and their Impact on the Middle East,” The Middle East Journal, into the Balkans vol.52:2, Spring 1998. Alan Makovksy, “Turkish/Israeli Cooperation, the Peace Process, and the Region,” Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Policy Watch No. 195, April 26, 1996. Middle East Realities, “New U.S./Turkey/Israel Alliance Circumvents and Bottles up the Arabs,” July 1998.

10Robert Fisk, “Jerusalem Draws in the Turks to Spy on Arab Forces,” The Independent, Feb. 24, 1999. Washburn, op. cit.

11Gresh, op. cit. Fisk, op. cit. Michael Eisenstadt, “Turkish-Israeli Military Cooperation: An Assessment,” Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Policy Watch No. 262, July 24, 1997.


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Postby humanist » Mon May 25, 2009 9:55 pm

james much better signature ;) as far as the article shows nothing but repeated hypocritical comments by Turkey on many levels.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon May 25, 2009 10:07 pm

humanist wrote:james much better signature ;) as far as the article shows nothing but repeated hypocritical comments by Turkey on many levels.


Whats wrong with my signature?
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