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[Kifeas]

It has been reported from the occupied by Turkey areas of Cyprus that TC leader Talat has called upon the international community to prepare a solution proposal by the end of the year. It seems that Talat has gotten used and spoiled by the luxury of been served solution proposals in his favor -akin the Annan plan IV- that is why he is opting and counting on this possibility. Quite understandable I must say, however, what I do not understand is why the Greek Cypriot side and Christofias do not pick up on his desire for an imported solution, and declare that we are also ready to welcome, put to a referendum and support a solution proposal from the international community, provided that such a proposal is well placed within certain very legitimate parameters.

What are these parameters?
The settlement proposal should be within the UN framework, something which the Turkish side has so many times declared that it also accepts. What this UN framework entails, of course, is that the solution proposal should adhere to the UN resolutions on Cyprus, the UN Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international law in general. Furthermore, the solution proposal should also take into consideration the fact that Cyprus is now a full member of the EU, and therefore its values, principles and laws should be observed.

The GC side should declare that if the international community’s settlement proposal falls within the above parameters, we are ready to endorse and accept it; should it not, we will not even bother to put it down to a referendum. What are we afraid of? I also believe that the above preconditions should have been set up in 2004, when Kofi Annan got us to accept giving him a blank check in doing his “arbitration,” prior to Annan plan VI.

[paliometoxo]

whats with all this calling apon so and so country to do this and that.. what ever happen to good old do it now or we will force you out? its the only way the turks will listen

[Bananiot]

You continue to live in your dream world Kifeas. Is it not the UN that has called the two sides to find a compromise solution? If the UN fails to call upon the two communities to work on a solution which will be based on the UN framework, as you call it, do you expect Turkey to do it? I know, there is a paradox here, but this is how the world works, I am afraid.

In a nutshell, its either solution on the lines (more or less) of the Annan Plan or partition and eventual recognition of the "TRNC". The international community knows this and so does Greece. This is why Greece has been improving the bilateral relations with Turkey over the last years while selling us palatable slogans that keep the natives of this place asleep.

[Piratis]

In a nutshell, its either solution on the lines (more or less) of the Annan Plan or partition and eventual recognition of the "TRNC".

Annan plan is partition. This is why the Turks want it. A de jure partition were the Turks are granted the rule of the north part of Cyprus that would be officially declared as "Turkish".

You are dreaming about some eventual recognition of the pseudo state. They can only gain such recognition if we are stupid enough to give it to them via some Annan plan.

But we are not that stupid. We will keep the 100% of recognition and legal rights and use them appropriately. The ICJ rule for the Orams was only the beginning and only a small sample of what we can do if we start to use effectively our EU membership.

[Jerry]

Talat did, some time ago, refer to arbitration. Christofias should agree to arbitration subject to the parameters set out in the first post. No solution will be permanent if either side feels cheated (Zurich ?) and partition without GC approval will not be recognised internationally for decades - if ever. Something or someone has got to give, I hope its Turkey.

[Oracle]

What the UN/US want Cyprus to do is irrelevant. What are they going to do if we ignore them, and the Turks, and look to the strength of the EU for a solution? They can't force us to accept anything.

We're only asking for removal of occupying Turkish forces and return of citizens to their rightful homes, after all. We as Cypriots don't want any more than that. It is the Turks who are asking for things they did not have, which they wish to gain by war and invasion.

[Viewpoint]

In a nutshell, its either solution on the lines (more or less) of the Annan Plan or partition and eventual recognition of the "TRNC".

Annan plan is partition. This is why the Turks want it. A de jure partition were the Turks are granted the rule of the north part of Cyprus that would be officially declared as "Turkish".

You are dreaming about some eventual recognition of the pseudo state. They can only gain such recognition if we are stupid enough to give it to them via some Annan plan.

But we are not that stupid. We will keep the 100% of recognition and legal rights and use them appropriately. The ICJ rule for the Orams was only the beginning and only a small sample of what we can do if we start to use effectively our EU membership.

35 years and where has it gotten you? whatever you do through the courts you cannot get rid of the TRNC, only by agreeing a solution can you get some of what you want.

[bill cobbett]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

[YFred]

What the UN/US want Cyprus to do is irrelevant. What are they going to do if we ignore them, and the Turks, and look to the strength of the EU for a solution? They can't force us to accept anything.

We're only asking for removal of occupying Turkish forces and return of citizens to their rightful homes, after all. We as Cypriots don't want any more than that. It is the Turks who are asking for things they did not have, which they wish to gain by war and invasion.

Is that all? oh well problem solved then.

[Viewpoint]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Then kiss a solution goodbye with President Talat gone replaced by Eroğlu and a UBP goernment in the north the support for AKP dropping and a loss of EU momentum will ensure you will be dea by the time any more talk of a solution comesup again. Its now or never.