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[paliometoxo]

no solution is possible even with talat they both come up witht he same bs

[Viewpoint]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Then kiss a solution goodbye with President Talat gone replaced by Eroğlu and a UBP goernment in the north the support for AKP dropping and a loss of EU momentum will ensure you will be dea by the time any more talk of a solution comesup again. Its now or never.

On the basis that almost all of what you post is tnct supporting pessimist, partitionist, propagandist, pollocks I can only say you're scaremongering again VP.

Oh ..... and this hardliner Errorglue? Sometimes it's better to deal with this sort of pragmatist. Indeed I sometimes think that these supposed hard-men are sometimes more likely to see the hard choices rather than the wooly minded moderates idealists.

Eroğlu is the equivelent of papadeadpolous, no solution.

Take your chances by all means but when I say I told you so please remember this debate. the best chance for a solution is before Feb 2010, otherwise kiss the north goodbye forever.

There is no chance for an agreed solution with any Turkish puppet.

The only thing that will chance by having Eroglu as your leader is that it will be easier for us to put you in the corner. So thank you for choosing him.

What will that solve? absolutely nothing.

[Viewpoint]

Nothing should be agreed too unless it includes right of return for all Cypriots, Turkish troops out of Cyprus and TC who don't like it a one way ticket to Turkey

What about the other concerns?

[Viewpoint]

Can I ask a very simple question as I am missing something here.

It took him nearly a year of negotiations to figure out that he wants someone else to develop a solution? I think Christofias ought to cancel the next meeting based on wasting time and resources based on Talat's request.

Christofias needs to meet with UN put it simply Turkey is occupying Cyprus and it is violating human rights underline UN resolutions and UN statements and ask them to act.

No allowance to be made and action to be taken immediately.

Hes only just woken up to the fact that you cannot agree a solution directly with GCs, you need intermederies like the UN.

[Kikapu]

I have another take on this.

Talat knows very well that he cannot get what he really wants from the RoC, which would be something like the AP, and Turkey may also not allow him to agree to anything less that close to the AP, at least not publicly. Time is running out for both Talat and Turkey and if they actually wanted to agree on a settlement based on UN parameters and EU values, they will both lose face by giving into the RoC by agreeing to such a deal, both in the north and also in Turkey, so why not then agree on the International community to come up with another "Annan Plan" with the UN parameters and EU values adopted and present it to the people to vote on it with the blessings of Talat, Christofias and Turkey. Why else would Talat call this a "New Annan Plan" when Kofi Annan is no longer around.?

If my hunch is correct, shouldn't this be called the “Ban Ki-moon Plan” instead.? No, because AP is very much trusted and accepted psychologically by the TC's in the north and in Turkey, so I think it is to get the north to vote for this plan which in reality won't be anything like the old AP. So I think Kifeas has got it right, that the GC's will insist on such UN parameters and EU values to be part of any International deal put together, which the EU will not have it any other way anyway. This way, everyone will get what they want /don't want, but they do not have too many options really, because time is running out on Talat and Turkey, which will also provide a lot of "face saving" cover for them from their own people by taking this route.!

[Viewpoint]

Will the GCs reject the New AP rubber stamped by the UN and EU but not to their liking?

[Kikapu]

Will the GCs reject the New AP rubber stamped by the UN and EU but not to their liking?

Only if the "Rubber Stamp" has True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International laws and EU principles are written on it, which I believe the GC's will say YES.

Since you asked the question, if the above principles are on the "Rubber Stamp", which way will you vote.?

[bill cobbett]

I have another take on this.

Talat knows very well that he cannot get what he really wants from the RoC, which would be something like the AP, and Turkey may also not allow him to agree to anything less that close to the AP, at least not publicly. Time is running out for both Talat and Turkey and if they actually wanted to agree on a settlement based on UN parameters and EU values, they will both lose face by giving into the RoC by agreeing to such a deal, both in the north and also in Turkey, so why not then agree on the International community to come up with another "Annan Plan" with the UN parameters and EU values adopted and present it to the people to vote on it with the blessings of Talat, Christofias and Turkey. Why else would Talat call this a "New Annan Plan" when Kofi Annan is no longer around.?

If my hunch is correct, shouldn't this be called the “Ban Ki-moon Plan” instead.? No, because AP is very much trusted and accepted psychologically by the TC's in the north and in Turkey, so I think it is to get the north to vote for this plan which in reality won't be anything like the old AP. So I think Kifeas has got it right, that the GC's will insist on such UN parameters and EU values to be part of any International deal put together, which the EU will not have it any other way anyway. This way, everyone will get what they want /don't want, but they do not have too many options really, because time is running out on Talat and Turkey, which will also provide a lot of "face saving" cover for them from their own people by taking this route.!

Yes, this "face-saving" is absolutely vital. We should all know and accept the importance of this.

[Viewpoint]

Will the GCs reject the New AP rubber stamped by the UN and EU but not to their liking?

Only if the "Rubber Stamp" has True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International laws and EU principles are written on it, which I believe they will say YES.

Since you asked the question, if the above principles are on the "Rubber Stamp", which way will you vote.?

Land distribution Power sharing and Security are the most important issues for me so reading how they have been resolved using the "Rubber Stamp" ı will vote accordingly. What will you do if their are derrogations like the AP?

[humanist]

Or is the UN and EU wasting moneys time and effort ....... they know very well that Turkey is occupying a European State and need to enforce economic sanctions on Turkey to move them out. TC's as European citizens will be protected as all other European citizens of a minority status in a European State and therefore they have no real arguments for siding with Turkey in occupying Cyprus' territory and denying 200,000 people of their basic human rights.