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[YFred]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Stop deluding yourself billi boy. If that was the case, then there is no need for any more negotiations. Either it is not or Mr X and the whole of the international community has gone stupid. Take your pick.

[bill cobbett]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Then kiss a solution goodbye with President Talat gone replaced by Eroğlu and a UBP goernment in the north the support for AKP dropping and a loss of EU momentum will ensure you will be dea by the time any more talk of a solution comesup again. Its now or never.

On the basis that almost all of what you post is tnct supporting pessimist, partitionist, propagandist, pollocks I can only say you're scaremongering again VP.

Oh ..... and this hardliner Errorglue? Sometimes it's better to deal with this sort of pragmatist. Indeed I sometimes think that these supposed hard-men are sometimes more likely to see the hard choices rather than the wooly minded moderates idealists.

[Viewpoint]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Then kiss a solution goodbye with President Talat gone replaced by Eroğlu and a UBP goernment in the north the support for AKP dropping and a loss of EU momentum will ensure you will be dea by the time any more talk of a solution comesup again. Its now or never.

On the basis that almost all of what you post is tnct supporting pessimist, partitionist, propagandist, pollocks I can only say you're scaremongering again VP.

Oh ..... and this hardliner Errorglue? Sometimes it's better to deal with this sort of pragmatist. Indeed I sometimes think that these supposed hard-men are sometimes more likely to see the hard choices rather than the wooly minded moderates idealists.

Eroğlu is the equivelent of papadeadpolous, no solution.

Take your chances by all means but when I say I told you so please remember this debate. the best chance for a solution is before Feb 2010, otherwise kiss the north goodbye forever.

[YFred]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Then kiss a solution goodbye with President Talat gone replaced by Eroğlu and a UBP goernment in the north the support for AKP dropping and a loss of EU momentum will ensure you will be dea by the time any more talk of a solution comesup again. Its now or never.

On the basis that almost all of what you post is tnct supporting pessimist, partitionist, propagandist, pollocks I can only say you're scaremongering again VP.

Oh ..... and this hardliner Errorglue? Sometimes it's better to deal with this sort of pragmatist. Indeed I sometimes think that these supposed hard-men are sometimes more likely to see the hard choices rather than the wooly minded moderates idealists.

Have you lost all your senses, do you really believe that an X-TMT man will give you a better deal. Yeah and pigs will fly.

[Piratis]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Then kiss a solution goodbye with President Talat gone replaced by Eroğlu and a UBP goernment in the north the support for AKP dropping and a loss of EU momentum will ensure you will be dea by the time any more talk of a solution comesup again. Its now or never.

On the basis that almost all of what you post is tnct supporting pessimist, partitionist, propagandist, pollocks I can only say you're scaremongering again VP.

Oh ..... and this hardliner Errorglue? Sometimes it's better to deal with this sort of pragmatist. Indeed I sometimes think that these supposed hard-men are sometimes more likely to see the hard choices rather than the wooly minded moderates idealists.

Eroğlu is the equivelent of papadeadpolous, no solution.

Take your chances by all means but when I say I told you so please remember this debate. the best chance for a solution is before Feb 2010, otherwise kiss the north goodbye forever.

There is no chance for an agreed solution with any Turkish puppet.

The only thing that will chance by having Eroglu as your leader is that it will be easier for us to put you in the corner. So thank you for choosing him.

[humanist]

Nothing should be agreed too unless it includes right of return for all Cypriots, Turkish troops out of Cyprus and TC who don't like it a one way ticket to Turkey

[Get Real!]

In a nutshell, its either solution on the lines (more or less) of the Annan Plan or partition and eventual recognition of the "TRNC". The international community knows this and so does Greece.

Rubbish! Nobody, not even Turkey, has EVER suggested recognition of the "TRNC", with the exception of some Turkish Cypriots. It cannot and will not ever happen and if you still don’t understand why go back to Badminton.

[bill cobbett]

Beware the scaremongers trying to threaten the good people of The Free Areas of The Republic in to a hasty compromise with the UN filling in the gaps.

Yes, the ECJ judgement was monumental, not just in the judgement itself but also in the new found confidence it has given many, a new determination that CYs should not settle for second best.

There will be gaps which will be "filled in" by the EU in ways that accord with the usual European norms, but it won't be this year.

Then kiss a solution goodbye with President Talat gone replaced by Eroğlu and a UBP goernment in the north the support for AKP dropping and a loss of EU momentum will ensure you will be dea by the time any more talk of a solution comesup again. Its now or never.

On the basis that almost all of what you post is tnct supporting pessimist, partitionist, propagandist, pollocks I can only say you're scaremongering again VP.

Oh ..... and this hardliner Errorglue? Sometimes it's better to deal with this sort of pragmatist. Indeed I sometimes think that these supposed hard-men are sometimes more likely to see the hard choices rather than the wooly minded moderates idealists.

Have you lost all your senses, do you really believe that an X-TMT man will give you a better deal. Yeah and pigs will fly.

Do you boys seriously think the good people of The Free Areas believe in the Bogey Man?

Are you seriously telling us that the EU will find a settlement that is contrary to EU norms acceptable? Pres X knows that it won't, which is why he has been insisting on human rights, property rights and EU-wide rights at every opportunity.

Two more things, you boys still haven't got it - there will never be a Partition, the rest of the world won't allow it. You should know this. The past 35 years should have made it clear to you yet you continue on the usual self-deceiving denial. Secondly the keys to a settlement are in Pres X's pocket, passed on to him by succession from his predecessors.

35 years boys, that's a pretty long wet dream boys.

[Kifeas]

You continue to live in your dream world Kifeas. Is it not the UN that has called the two sides to find a compromise solution? If the UN fails to call upon the two communities to work on a solution which will be based on the UN framework, as you call it, do you expect Turkey to do it? I know, there is a paradox here, but this is how the world works, I am afraid.

In a nutshell, its either solution on the lines (more or less) of the Annan Plan or partition and eventual recognition of the "TRNC". The international community knows this and so does Greece. This is why Greece has been improving the bilateral relations with Turkey over the last years while selling us palatable slogans that keep the natives of this place asleep.

Do not worry Bananiot, I live in no dream world! Talat is the one that wants a solution plan to come from outside, instead of one negotiated between him and Christofias. All I am saying is that Christofias should do him the favor and accept his call, provided he sets the above very legitimate parameters and pre-conditions for any third party arbitration to be accepted. Will they blame us for not wanting a solution or for dragging our feet, simply because we want any solution plan to be within the frameworks of international legality, the UN resolutions and EU principles and values? Of course they won't, even if they would want to, for they will be the ones exposed, be it the Turkish side or any international player. On the one hand we will be seen to be accommodating Talat's and Turkey's desires for an outside arbitration and a solution plan, and on the other we put our safety valves in place -unlike the last time we amateurishly gave a blank check to Kofi Annan so as to appear the good boys.

As for your partition assessments should a solution is not found, I suggest you read your friend Makarios Droushioti’s article in today’s “Politis.” At last the man has decided to make some sense and admits in no uncertain terms that recognition is out of the question in either the short or the medium run; that both sides stand to lose for a non-solution, considerably more the TC and the Turkish side; and that the GC side will survive without a solution but not the TC one! Of course no one wishes the TC side not to survive, but if they themselves do not wish to see and follow their best interests, what can one do?

[humanist]

Can I ask a very simple question as I am missing something here.

It took him nearly a year of negotiations to figure out that he wants someone else to develop a solution? I think Christofias ought to cancel the next meeting based on wasting time and resources based on Talat's request.

Christofias needs to meet with UN put it simply Turkey is occupying Cyprus and it is violating human rights underline UN resolutions and UN statements and ask them to act.

No allowance to be made and action to be taken immediately.