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[YFred]

Boomers do you seriously think the Germans and French don't want Turkey in because of the initial development costs? I don't think so, Turkey a Muslim country the remnant of the Ottoman Empire in the heart of many Germans and French simply not part Europe. Yet the to faced bastards value Turkey too much hence don't tell them to piss off.

Bankrolling is no problem Umit....the problem is about control...Turkey due to her population size will yield a lot of power, something the Germans and French will never accept...

So So democratic.

I suppose since turkey is such a beacon of democracy they expect nothing but the best in return eh?

So what you are saying is that there are multiple levels of democracy and they can pick and choose which one to apply depending on the country involved.

[james_mav]

Boomers do you seriously think the Germans and French don't want Turkey in because of the initial development costs? I don't think so, Turkey a Muslim country the remnant of the Ottoman Empire in the heart of many Germans and French simply not part Europe. Yet the to faced bastards value Turkey too much hence don't tell them to piss off.

Bankrolling is no problem Umit....the problem is about control...Turkey due to her population size will yield a lot of power, something the Germans and French will never accept...

So So democratic.

I suppose since turkey is such a beacon of democracy they expect nothing but the best in return eh?

So what you are saying is that there are multiple levels of democracy and they can pick and choose which one to apply depending on the country involved.

What I am saying is that a country which has no respect for its own democratic institutions cannot possibly have respect for international democratic institutions. If turkey is not democratic, which it is not, then it does not believe in democracy. It then follows that it is a mockery for it to claim in good faith that it wants to be a proper member of another (international) democratic organisation.

[YFred]

Boomers do you seriously think the Germans and French don't want Turkey in because of the initial development costs? I don't think so, Turkey a Muslim country the remnant of the Ottoman Empire in the heart of many Germans and French simply not part Europe. Yet the to faced bastards value Turkey too much hence don't tell them to piss off.

Bankrolling is no problem Umit....the problem is about control...Turkey due to her population size will yield a lot of power, something the Germans and French will never accept...

So So democratic.

I suppose since turkey is such a beacon of democracy they expect nothing but the best in return eh?

So what you are saying is that there are multiple levels of democracy and they can pick and choose which one to apply depending on the country involved.

What I am saying is that a country which has no respect for its own democratic institutions cannot possibly have respect for international democratic institutions. If turkey is not democratic, which it is not, then it does not believe in democracy. It then follows that it is a mockery for it to claim in good faith that it wants to be a proper member of another (international) democratic organisation.

The point is does this give a democratic country the reason to behave in an undemocratic way and have legitimacy.

[james_mav]

Boomers do you seriously think the Germans and French don't want Turkey in because of the initial development costs? I don't think so, Turkey a Muslim country the remnant of the Ottoman Empire in the heart of many Germans and French simply not part Europe. Yet the to faced bastards value Turkey too much hence don't tell them to piss off.

Bankrolling is no problem Umit....the problem is about control...Turkey due to her population size will yield a lot of power, something the Germans and French will never accept...

So So democratic.

I suppose since turkey is such a beacon of democracy they expect nothing but the best in return eh?

So what you are saying is that there are multiple levels of democracy and they can pick and choose which one to apply depending on the country involved.

What I am saying is that a country which has no respect for its own democratic institutions cannot possibly have respect for international democratic institutions. If turkey is not democratic, which it is not, then it does not believe in democracy. It then follows that it is a mockery for it to claim in good faith that it wants to be a proper member of another (international) democratic organisation.

The point is does this give a democratic country the reason to behave in an undemocratic way and have legitimacy.

Of course it does. In an international setting like the EU, democracy is a two-way street. The tenets of democracy must be genuinely respected and cherished before the benefits of belonging to a democratic organisation can be expected to flow.

[boomerang]

so back to the thread...the tcs want 2 people and 2 states, autonomy, etc...have they come up with the money to bankroll their own state?...or are they expecting the gcs to bankroll a bankrupt state on top of of it...

[YFred]

so back to the thread...the tcs want 2 people and 2 states, autonomy, etc...have they come up with the money to bankroll their own state?...or are they expecting the gcs to bankroll a bankrupt state on top of of it...

Don't worry, you don't have to hypothesise. Soon you will find out.

[james_mav]

so back to the thread...the tcs want 2 people and 2 states, autonomy, etc...have they come up with the money to bankroll their own state?...or are they expecting the gcs to bankroll a bankrupt state on top of of it...

Don't worry, you don't have to hypothesise. Soon you will find out.

The result of the Annan plan referendum told us the answer, so yeah - no need to hypothesise.

[YFred]

so back to the thread...the tcs want 2 people and 2 states, autonomy, etc...have they come up with the money to bankroll their own state?...or are they expecting the gcs to bankroll a bankrupt state on top of of it...

Don't worry, you don't have to hypothesise. Soon you will find out.

The result of the Annan plan referendum told us the answer, so yeah - no need to hypothesise.

Do you think that if there is an agreement and Akel and Disy both support it, the result will be the same as last time?

[james_mav]

so back to the thread...the tcs want 2 people and 2 states, autonomy, etc...have they come up with the money to bankroll their own state?...or are they expecting the gcs to bankroll a bankrupt state on top of of it...

Don't worry, you don't have to hypothesise. Soon you will find out.

The result of the Annan plan referendum told us the answer, so yeah - no need to hypothesise.

Do you think that if there is an agreement and Akel and Disy both support it, the result will be ther same as last time?

I just don't think the electorate would be so easily conned, regardless of which parties supported it. In political systems with some semblance of democracy, parties supporting changes that the electorate does not is putting the cart before the horse. These parties would quickly find that they no longer have the support of those that elected them in the first place, and they would be replaced by a new party that does have the support of the electorate. Hence, the parties will not advocate for something that does not have broad political support to begin with. The arguments of political parties (of whichever persuasion) hold sway when the electorate is split 45% yes, 45% no, 10% undecided, not 73% no, 22% yes, and 5% undecided.

[boomerang]

so back to the thread...the tcs want 2 people and 2 states, autonomy, etc...have they come up with the money to bankroll their own state?...or are they expecting the gcs to bankroll a bankrupt state on top of of it...

Don't worry, you don't have to hypothesise. Soon you will find out.

knucklehead i don't hypothesize anything...you want 2 states, 2 people?...show me da money...

as they say money talks and bullshit walks...if I was you i would start walking knucklehead...