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[Oracle]

If TCs want 'power sharing', they can go to Turkey and ask to share with them. Plenty power going around Turkey!

Cyprus is a Democratic country and no one individual is entitled to an unequal amount of power.

[YFred]

We don’t have to have power sharing. There is a second option – permanent partition. If you guys think that you can hold on to power and not share indefinitely, you are in for a rude awakening and quite soon after these negotiations, if they fail.

[Oracle]

I think the EU would have something to say about losing geopolitically sensitive territory to backward revolting Turks.

The Turks have not woken up to their impoverished state yet ....

[Viewpoint]

We don’t have to have power sharing. There is a second option – permanent partition. If you guys think that you can hold on to power and not share indefinitely, you are in for a rude awakening and quite soon after these negotiations, if they fail.

I think all we need isfor the GCs to pull out....and the ball will start rolling and no amount of GC lobbying will be able to stop it, they are in for a really rude awakening.

[YFred]

We don’t have to have power sharing. There is a second option – permanent partition. If you guys think that you can hold on to power and not share indefinitely, you are in for a rude awakening and quite soon after these negotiations, if they fail.

I think all we need isfor the GCs to pull out....and the ball will start rolling and no amount of GC lobbying will be able to stop it, they are in for a really rude awakening.

Its not even a pull out. Just no agreement by the end of this year and there in for not so rude awakening, more an enlightening awakening as to the chances that have been missed over the years.

[Viewpoint]

We don’t have to have power sharing. There is a second option – permanent partition. If you guys think that you can hold on to power and not share indefinitely, you are in for a rude awakening and quite soon after these negotiations, if they fail.

I think all we need isfor the GCs to pull out....and the ball will start rolling and no amount of GC lobbying will be able to stop it, they are in for a really rude awakening.

Its not even a pull out. Just no agreement by the end of this year and there in for not so rude awakening, more an enlightening awakening as to the chances that have been missed over the years.

Can you really see Eroğlu and Christofias even meeting???

[Piratis]

And this despite the fact that Greece(a guarantor for GCs) was also involved? What would have happened if you GCs had ALL resisted against Britain (then a departing power) and against such a half-assed solution by NOT signing it ?What would have been sanctions brought against your people in the event of a refusal ?

The threat was the partition of Cyprus, giving part of it to Turkey, the other part to Greece and with the British keeping bases. And the Turks and British were not willing to accept freedom and self-determination of the Cypriot people. We could have continued the fight, but that would mean many more casualties without much prospects of success since we were half a million people against two Imperialist powers (and with Greece showing to us that she had no desire/ability to help us)

I see, the famous 13 amendments requested by Maka. Then the turkish cypriots didn't accept these and walked out of government offices on their own free will or because Denktas called them out. Such unfair privileges they enjoyed and they abandoned these goodies just like that ?? My, my, they must have been all masochists !

And maybe the Greek Cypriots were masochists, to accept that a minority of 18% would be granted Ottoman Style privileges on their expense?

Are you sure TCs were the only ones receiving arms.? If the other side were not caught smuggling in arms, then this could very well be interpreted as a more sinister sign.

Maybe we did. The point here is that the conflict that started in 1958 was not over. The conflict in the early 60s was a continuation of the same conflict that had started in the late 50s.

First, you would hardly find any TC who doesn't believe otherwise. But what is more important than that, if EVEN your president Maka had to flee out of country and GCs started killing each other, one can easily guess whose turn was next. And don't bother with details, I have viewed what Kyrie Sampson had in store for them in a video clip link given by GR.

Why then you say that Turkey invaded in a "Peace Operation" to save the TCs who were being killed since you admit that this is not the case? You can make as many imaginary scenarios as you want, but imaginary scenarios can not replace facts, nor can they be an excuse for killing 1000s and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of innocent people.

By the way, the Junta ruled Greece for many years before the coup in Cyprus. Nothing happened to the Turks in Greece during this period (nothing worst than what happened to the Greeks in general). Also Makarios was at the UN condemning the coup and many GCs were fighting against the coupists. We could have defeated the coupists, especially if the UK and Turkey wanted this. But the Turks choose to use the coup as an excuse to put into action the partition plan they had since the 50s, and since the coup was not a good enough excuse they created the whole "Peace Operation to save the poor TCs who are 'genocided' " propaganda lies.

The fact is that the partition of Cyprus has nothing to do with the conflict between TCs and GCs. On the contrary the conflict was the result of the partition plan.

The British and the Turks were discussing the partition of Cyprus since the 50s, before the inter-communal conflict started. The Turks wanted partition so they could have their troops in Cyprus for their own geopolitical reasons, and the British wanted to bring Turkey into the game so they could use the TC minority against the GC majority in order to achieve divide and rule. Cyprus is the only former British colony where the British maintain sovereign bases (not one but two!).

[YFred]

We don’t have to have power sharing. There is a second option – permanent partition. If you guys think that you can hold on to power and not share indefinitely, you are in for a rude awakening and quite soon after these negotiations, if they fail.

I think all we need isfor the GCs to pull out....and the ball will start rolling and no amount of GC lobbying will be able to stop it, they are in for a really rude awakening.

Its not even a pull out. Just no agreement by the end of this year and there in for not so rude awakening, more an enlightening awakening as to the chances that have been missed over the years.

Can you really see Eroğlu and Christofias even meeting???

Eroglu will meet with Mr X but he will use the tactics of Papadobullos and extent the talks to infinity which will lead to partition. Particulalry if AKP are replaced by the anti-EU hawks.

[Piratis]

Eroglu will meet with Mr X but he will use the tactics of Papadobullos and extent the talks to infinity which will lead to partition.

If you had any tactic that could lead to an official partition you would have done it already. The most you can do is to maintain the status quo kind of partition, but this will not lead you to anything better.

If a solution is not found then don't expect that this will be for your benefit in any way. The momentum you got by accepting the Annan plan is over, and with Eroglu as the leader you will be put back in the corner as you were with Dektash.

On the other hand we are now starting to use our EU membership in more efficient ways. If the negotiations fail or come to a stand still, then be sure we will fully use the EU and rulings like the one we got recently from the ECJ, to apply pressure on you.

So better drop the blackmails and the outrageous demands and negotiate a solution that can be acceptable to the vast majority of Cypriots. If you continue thinking that you can win on our expense, then not only you will not win anything but you will be the biggest losers of all.

[Cem]

So the question is, will Turkey become an EU member or will it become the next Afghanistan?

http://cyprus-forum.com/cyprus24145.html

If I were in your place, I would be more concerned with your motherland Greece turning into "Hellenistan" .

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Dozens of cars have been smashed, 14 people injured and 46 arrested in riots by Muslim migrants over the alleged defacing of a Koran by a policeman.

Police fired tear gas and stun grenades at hundreds of protesters outside Parliament in the city centre.

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