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[Paphitis]

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

And you, don't you feel guilty for your poor knowledge of Middle East History ?
Ottomans lost the territory to Britts, who in their turn lost the territory to Israel in 1948. By that time the empire had long finished, and a new Republic of Turkey had been established.
Why turks would feel guilty for the fate of Pali Arabs ?? Why don't you ask this question to wealthy Arab countries who themselves fought against Ottomans for freedom.? Why were they incapable of defending their co-religionists and kinship?

There's no reason for you to worry about my knowledge of Middle East history, Mr. WhiteFlag. The British didn't "lose" palestine, after a half hearted effort, they handed it over to European Zionists (politically speaking there were no Israelis at the time).

If the big bad tough turks hadn't been humbled in battle by the scrawny Anzacs in late 1917 and 1918, the political make up of the levant would be very different, and we all know which country wouldn't be on the map.

The world, every turk, and especially the suffering Palestinians knows of the turkish complicity in their current predicament. And so do you.

Suggested reading. "The Anzacs at Gallipoli and France", by C.E.W. Bean. Australian Journalist. Day-to-day accounts of the war in 7 volumes. Good reading and enlightening insight.

What the hell!

[Get Real!]

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I just did a search for that but no luck!

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[Piratis]

On Another Note: Piratis, aren't you fed up with posting the same lousy video based on which you have been always attempting to present TCs as the starters of the 1958 conflict ? Now, let's assume that they started the conflict, why should it matter ? Didn't GCs sit on a table with TCs Two years later to jointly build the RoC which was based on partnership ? If these 1958 events had produced serious consequences to the extent you try to magnify, then nobody would have sat at the table !

No. The GCs didn't sit on the table with TCs to jointly build the RoC which was based on partnership. How did you come up with such story? Did you just assume these things or they actually taught you such things in school?

The 1960 agreements were made by the British, who then brought Turkey and Greece to agree for them, and then brought Makarios and told him to sign it without the slightest change and given no other alternative. We had absolutely no contribution in the creation of the constitution of our own country! This is the fact.

How related is 58 with 63? It is far more related than 63 is with 74.

The 1960 constitution, instead of being the result of the free, democratically expressed will of the Cypriot people, was instead the result of the combined attack of British and Turks against the Cypriots and the blackmail that followed. The Cypriot people attempted to make that constitution more fair and democratic, but the Turkish minority insisted on the Ottoman Style privileges it had gained (as a reward for the help they provided to the Imperialists in the 50s) and the conflict restarted.

In fact the TCs at no point did they stop receiving arms from Turkey. Just months after the agreements the Turkish ship Deniz what caught in Karpasia delivering arms and ammunition to TMT.

So your idea that all the problems of the 50s were over and everything in the early 60s were great until the events of 63 happened out of the blue is obviously wrong.

The TCs keep using the inter-communal conflict as an excuse for the Turkish invasion of 74. Their propaganda tells us that TCs were killed by the evil GCs for 11 years, and in 1974 turkey intervened with a "Peace Operation" to save the poor TCs. The fact is that the inter-communal conflict (which the TCs started and where 100s of GCs were killed as well) was over since 68, and that in 74 not a single TC was killed before the Turkish invasion.

So if you want to link the Turkish invasion of 74 with the inter-communal conflict that was over by 68, then how can you dispute the link between the beginning of the inter-communal conflict in 58 and the continuation of the conflict in 63?

If you don't want to talk about history, I have no problem. Today what we have is an illegal Turkish occupation of the north part of Cyprus, an illegal pseudo state declared on that land, and the human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people.

It is you who wants to go back to the past and excuse what happens today with events that happened 40 years ago. In fact, if you talk about 1963 as if it was yesterday and relevant today, then you can't even dispute the connection of the Ottoman rule. The Ottoman rule ended in 1878, 80 years before the TC attacks of 1958, so not exactly an "ancient history".

So, what will it be? Are we going to concentrate on today, or do you want to follow the chain of events and link everything that bought us to where we are now?

You can't pick and choose and say that 63-68 is linked to 74 and an excuse for illegalities and human rights violations 40 years later, and at the same time dispute the link between 58 and 63.

[Cem]

Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

I didn't know mustaches would be an element of military might.
Grivas would have been delighted to hear that

The world, every turk, and especially the suffering Palestinians knows of the turkish complicity in their current predicament. And so do you.

Like as you see below ??

[Byron]

The indigenous T/Cs have the same right to be in Cyprus as any other Cypriot.
The settlers are , as we know , in Cyprus as a direct result of Turkey's efforts to alter the demographics of our island following the Turkish invasion of 1974.The T/Cs are not exuberantly happy with the huge influx of settlers mostly from remote parts of Eastern Turkey. On the other hand neither are they completely confident that the RoC has their interests too at heart. A responsible government ought to be seeing to be doing much more in reassuring the T/Cs that their future on our commonly owned island is secure and that their human rights would not be undermined.

You stupid Bozo. What more can the RoC do? We already give them passports, IDs, free healthcare, jobs etc etc.....

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

You have been sniffing to much coke...

From an idiot such as you what can one expect.
The national anthem of Greece is the one that the RoC has as its national anthem. Do you think we are sending the right message to the T/Cs ?
Do you think that we would ever accept the Turkish national anthem as our own ? Why then do we expect the T/Cs to do so. I know , declare war on Turkey so that ignoramus little pricks like you can watch the killings from the comfort of their own home !! Don't tell me you will fight for Cyprus you fool , your type is UNWANTED in Cyprus , bloody foreign gid !

What has the national ANTHEM GOT TO DO WITH THIS ?

[Byron]

Paphitis , you are rude , unprincipled ,disrespectful and above all the biggest Plonker down under .
You should stay away from the Cypriot political scene since your contributions so far are an absolute disgrace to the Cypriot cause and to the island of Cyprus. Why don't you join a Greek forum then you can sing the praise of the ancient Greeks to your hearts desire. Stay out of Cyprus mate , you are too barmy !!
What colour did you wish to turn the North part of Cyprus ?? Charcoal gray wasn't it ?
PLONKER .

It is you who is barmy not Paphitis, we have made enough concessions and we have got nothing in return. You are as far away as Cyprus as Paphitis is and your views on Cyprus and the Cypriots represent less than 1% of the popular vote.

[miltiades]

Paphitis , you are rude , unprincipled ,disrespectful and above all the biggest Plonker down under .
You should stay away from the Cypriot political scene since your contributions so far are an absolute disgrace to the Cypriot cause and to the island of Cyprus. Why don't you join a Greek forum then you can sing the praise of the ancient Greeks to your hearts desire. Stay out of Cyprus mate , you are too barmy !!
What colour did you wish to turn the North part of Cyprus ?? Charcoal gray wasn't it ?
PLONKER .

It is you who is barmy not Paphitis, we have made enough concessions and we have got nothing in return. You are as far away as Cyprus as Paphitis is and your views on Cyprus and the Cypriots represent less than 1% of the popular vote.

One extremist supports another . My views are widely echoed by the overwhelming majority of Cypriots both G/Cs and T/Cs .
Shall we ask the forum to ...vote !!

[denizaksulu]

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

And you, don't you feel guilty for your poor knowledge of Middle East History ?
Ottomans lost the territory to Britts, who in their turn lost the territory to Israel in 1948. By that time the empire had long finished, and a new Republic of Turkey had been established.
Why turks would feel guilty for the fate of Pali Arabs ?? Why don't you ask this question to wealthy Arab countries who themselves fought against Ottomans for freedom.? Why were they incapable of defending their co-religionists and kinship?

There's no reason for you to worry about my knowledge of Middle East history, Mr. WhiteFlag. The British didn't "lose" palestine, after a half hearted effort, they handed it over to European Zionists (politically speaking there were no Israelis at the time).

If the big bad tough turks hadn't been humbled in battle by the scrawny Anzacs in late 1917 and 1918, the political make up of the levant would be very different, and we all know which country wouldn't be on the map.

The world, every turk, and especially the suffering Palestinians knows of the turkish complicity in their current predicament. And so do you.

Suggested reading. "The Anzacs at Gallipoli and France", by C.E.W. Bean. Australian Journalist. Day-to-day accounts of the war in 7 volumes. Good reading and enlightening insight.

What the hell!

Oh I nearly forgot to mention, included is an account of the Anzac Airforce in the middle east during WW1.

[YFred]

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

And you, don't you feel guilty for your poor knowledge of Middle East History ?
Ottomans lost the territory to Britts, who in their turn lost the territory to Israel in 1948. By that time the empire had long finished, and a new Republic of Turkey had been established.
Why turks would feel guilty for the fate of Pali Arabs ?? Why don't you ask this question to wealthy Arab countries who themselves fought against Ottomans for freedom.? Why were they incapable of defending their co-religionists and kinship?

There's no reason for you to worry about my knowledge of Middle East history, Mr. WhiteFlag. The British didn't "lose" palestine, after a half hearted effort, they handed it over to European Zionists (politically speaking there were no Israelis at the time).

If the big bad tough turks hadn't been humbled in battle by the scrawny Anzacs in late 1917 and 1918, the political make up of the levant would be very different, and we all know which country wouldn't be on the map.

The world, every turk, and especially the suffering Palestinians knows of the turkish complicity in their current predicament. And so do you.

Suggested reading. "The Anzacs at Gallipoli and France", by C.E.W. Bean. Australian Journalist. Day-to-day accounts of the war in 7 volumes. Good reading and enlightening insight.

What the hell!

Oh I nearly forgot to mention, included is an account of the Anzac Airforce in the middle east during WW1.

But does it include where the ADF soldiers were hiding when 1974 kicked off?

[Cem]

The 1960 agreements were made by the British, who then brought Turkey and Greece to agree for them, and then brought Makarios and told him to sign it without the slightest change and given no other alternative. We had absolutely no contribution in the creation of the constitution of our own country! This is the fact.
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And this despite the fact that Greece(a guarantor for GCs) was also involved? What would have happened if you GCs had ALL resisted against Britain (then a departing power) and against such a half-assed solution by NOT signing it ?What would have been sanctions brought against your people in the event of a refusal ?

The 1960 constitution, instead of being the result of the free, democratically expressed will of the Cypriot people, was instead the result of the combined attack of British and Turks against the Cypriots and the blackmail that followed. The Cypriot people attempted to make that constitution more fair and democratic, but the Turkish minority insisted on the Ottoman Style privileges it had gained (as a reward for the help they provided to the Imperialists in the 50s) and the conflict restarted

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I see, the famous 13 amendments requested by Maka. Then the turkish cypriots didn't accept these and walked out of government offices on their own free will or because Denktas called them out. Such unfair privileges they enjoyed and they abandoned these goodies just like that ?? My, my, they must have been all masochists !

In fact the TCs at no point did they stop receiving arms from Turkey. Just months after the agreements the Turkish ship Deniz what caught in Karpasia delivering arms and ammunition to TMT

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Are you sure TCs were the only ones receiving arms.? If the other side were not caught smuggling in arms, then this could very well be interpreted as a more sinister sign.

The TCs keep using the inter-communal conflict as an excuse for the Turkish invasion of 74. Their propaganda tells us that TCs were killed by the evil GCs for 11 years, and in 1974 turkey intervened with a "Peace Operation" to save the poor TCs. The fact is that the inter-communal conflict (which the TCs started and where 100s of GCs were killed as well) was over since 68, and that in 74 not a single TC was killed before the Turkish invasion. So if you want to link the Turkish invasion of 74 with the inter-communal conflict that was over by 68, then how can you dispute the link between the beginning of the inter-communal conflict in 58 and the continuation of the conflict in 63?

First, you would hardly find any TC who doesn't believe otherwise. But what is more important than that, if EVEN your president Maka had to flee out of country and GCs started killing each other, one can easily guess whose turn was next. And don't bother with details, I have viewed what Kyrie Sampson had in store for them in a video clip link given by GR.

If you don't want to talk about history, I have no problem. Today what we have is an illegal Turkish occupation of the north part of Cyprus, an illegal pseudo state declared on that land, and the human rights violations of 100s of thousands of innocent people.

This is the only debatable part of your arguments. CyProb rests on two pillars only : 1) Power sharing betwen TC and GCs. 2) Property issue. The rest,i,e, National anthem, the flag on PentaDaktilos, the island's recent history , who killed who, bla, bla...are side issues.