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[boomerang]

Was it the Swedes who issued a stamp commemorating their defeat by the Fins? Will we ever reach the Scandinavians in this aspect? We need to shed our barbarism, first of all, I think.

You are right Bananiot and I apologize for the tasteless joke about "Greeks being best swimmers in 1922.

Now to brush up the real issue with this forum:

1) Not only the level of the debates keep sinking day by day, but also many crap issues totally unrelated to thread topics are being injected either purposefully to create diversion or out of pure imbecility.
2) Some forumers with crap slogans such as "Kalo Tourkos Mono Nekros" are receiving undue attention both by GCs and TCs as if it were of paramount importance in CyProb. Personally, why should I care, if there were anti-turkish slogans?. I know plenty of them myself. In fact, there are plenty not about only turks but also about arabs, jews, english, germans, blacks, etc..Bigotry and racism are unfortunately integral part of humans everywhere and even most advanced civilizations cannot avoid it in entirety.
3) Occasionally, I have also been following both Armenians' and Israelis' forum, I must say that this one stands out like a sore thumb in terms of racism and foul-mouthing. In fact, It is the only one with the warning "Keep it Civilized" underneath CyProb section.
4) Still, I find it unbelieavable to be brought to the point of debating whether Australian air forces can militarily beat turkish forces or vice versa. Such a high level of ignorance and imbecility mixture can be excused for juveniles arguing "My dad can beat up yours" or "USA is stronger than Russia" kind of crap material, but they should not belong in here. Granted that I would emphatize with GCs who have lost loved ones in 1974 or who wish to gain possesion of their properties. I find it quite normal and acceptable if they cuss back if a sensitive issue is brought forward by a TC/Turk. Ditto for TCs who lost relatives and properties. In this case some exchange of expletives may sometimes be unavoidable. That one is acceptable. But, what the hell Cyprob has got to with Australia's warring capabilities? Gone are days when some states- banking on their high tech advantage- suddenly attack others without motives and get away with it. The good Ol' USA have been struggling hard to get out of Iraqi swamp at once and Russia paid a hefty price for her past aggression against Afghanistan. Once a solution is found in Cyprus, Turkey too will have to pull out either since such is the will of the international community.And only Cypriots (GCs and TCs) will decide that.
5) How Greece won its independence in 1820s or what Ottomans did in Cyprus belong in history and there is no point in debating them here. What happened in the past happened and its gone now. Turkish Cypriots are here on the island and it doesn't matter whether they are here as a result of invasion or not.
6) There should not be animosity between people of different nationalities. The animosity and hatred, if it should exist, should be directed against some politically incorrect practice. For instance, Anatolian Greeks (around 800.000) had to leave their places of origin seemingly within the context of a planned population exchange, however, many had to flee following the pull-out of Greek army as they knew what was in store for them. Similarly, Greeks of Istanbul were subject to a massive and planned pogrom in September 1955 and Menderes government was heavily implicated in this plot. Likewise, residents of Aegean towns of Manisa, Salihli, Aydin vividly recall what happened under Greek occupation army in 1915-16 in that area.
7) I feel no sympathy at all neither for Greek nor for Anzac, British and French armies which occupied Anatolia during WW1. At the end of day, They deserved the ONLY price they got: Death and Immediate Pull-Out.

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

I think and I mean no malice here, the turks lost big time...out of the whole of the empire they kept what we know as turkley today, unknowingly that most of the countries had oil...if they knew maybe one of the other oil rich countries could have been turkey today...luck of the draw...

[Cem]

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

And you, don't you feel guilty for your poor knowledge of Middle East History ?
Ottomans lost the territory to Britts, who in their turn lost the territory to Israel in 1948. By that time the empire had long finished, and a new Republic of Turkey had been established.
Why turks would feel guilty for the fate of Pali Arabs ?? Why don't you ask this question to wealthy Arab countries who themselves fought against Ottomans for freedom.? Why were they incapable of defending their co-religionists and kinship?

[denizaksulu]

Was it the Swedes who issued a stamp commemorating their defeat by the Fins? Will we ever reach the Scandinavians in this aspect? We need to shed our barbarism, first of all, I think.

You are right Bananiot and I apologize for the tasteless joke about "Greeks being best swimmers in 1922.

Now to brush up the real issue with this forum:

1) Not only the level of the debates keep sinking day by day, but also many crap issues totally unrelated to thread topics are being injected either purposefully to create diversion or out of pure imbecility.
2) Some forumers with crap slogans such as "Kalo Tourkos Mono Nekros" are receiving undue attention both by GCs and TCs as if it were of paramount importance in CyProb. Personally, why should I care, if there were anti-turkish slogans?. I know plenty of them myself. In fact, there are plenty not about only turks but also about arabs, jews, english, germans, blacks, etc..Bigotry and racism are unfortunately integral part of humans everywhere and even most advanced civilizations cannot avoid it in entirety.
3) Occasionally, I have also been following both Armenians' and Israelis' forum, I must say that this one stands out like a sore thumb in terms of racism and foul-mouthing. In fact, It is the only one with the warning "Keep it Civilized" underneath CyProb section.
4) Still, I find it unbelieavable to be brought to the point of debating whether Australian air forces can militarily beat turkish forces or vice versa. Such a high level of ignorance and imbecility mixture can be excused for juveniles arguing "My dad can beat up yours" or "USA is stronger than Russia" kind of crap material, but they should not belong in here. Granted that I would emphatize with GCs who have lost loved ones in 1974 or who wish to gain possesion of their properties. I find it quite normal and acceptable if they cuss back if a sensitive issue is brought forward by a TC/Turk. Ditto for TCs who lost relatives and properties. In this case some exchange of expletives may sometimes be unavoidable. That one is acceptable. But, what the hell Cyprob has got to with Australia's warring capabilities? Gone are days when some states- banking on their high tech advantage- suddenly attack others without motives and get away with it. The good Ol' USA have been struggling hard to get out of Iraqi swamp at once and Russia paid a hefty price for her past aggression against Afghanistan. Once a solution is found in Cyprus, Turkey too will have to pull out either since such is the will of the international community.And only Cypriots (GCs and TCs) will decide that.
5) How Greece won its independence in 1820s or what Ottomans did in Cyprus belong in history and there is no point in debating them here. What happened in the past happened and its gone now. Turkish Cypriots are here on the island and it doesn't matter whether they are here as a result of invasion or not.
6) There should not be animosity between people of different nationalities. The animosity and hatred, if it should exist, should be directed against some politically incorrect practice. For instance, Anatolian Greeks (around 800.000) had to leave their places of origin seemingly within the context of a planned population exchange, however, many had to flee following the pull-out of Greek army as they knew what was in store for them. Similarly, Greeks of Istanbul were subject to a massive and planned pogrom in September 1955 and Menderes government was heavily implicated in this plot. Likewise, residents of Aegean towns of Manisa, Salihli, Aydin vividly recall what happened under Greek occupation army in 1915-16 in that area.
7) I feel no sympathy at all neither for Greek nor for Anzac, British and French armies which occupied Anatolia during WW1. At the end of day, They deserved the ONLY price they got: Death and Immediate Pull-Out.

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

It was said at the time of the fall of Jerusalem, that Mustafa Kemals troos were ordered to a more defensive position so as to not endanger the Holy city. Allenby and his troops and the Anzac cavalry forces would not have hesitated to raze the holy city to the ground. Tis was, I think one of the orders from the Porte that he disobeyed.

[james_mav]

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

And you, don't you feel guilty for your poor knowledge of Middle East History ?
Ottomans lost the territory to Britts, who in their turn lost the territory to Israel in 1948. By that time the empire had long finished, and a new Republic of Turkey had been established.
Why turks would feel guilty for the fate of Pali Arabs ?? Why don't you ask this question to wealthy Arab countries who themselves fought against Ottomans for freedom.? Why were they incapable of defending their co-religionists and kinship?

There's no reason for you to worry about my knowledge of Middle East history, Mr. WhiteFlag. The British didn't "lose" palestine, after a half hearted effort, they handed it over to European Zionists (politically speaking there were no Israelis at the time).

If the big bad tough turks hadn't been humbled in battle by the scrawny Anzacs in late 1917 and 1918, the political make up of the levant would be very different, and we all know which country wouldn't be on the map.

The world, every turk, and especially the suffering Palestinians knows of the turkish complicity in their current predicament. And so do you.

[james_mav]

I think and I mean no malice here, the turks lost big time...out of the whole of the empire they kept what we know as turkley today, unknowingly that most of the countries had oil...if they knew maybe one of the other oil rich countries could have been turkey today...luck of the draw...

Yes, such a shame.

Nowadays they try to regain some of their lost hydrocarbon wealth by planing hardball with their Azeri kinsmen regarding the price at which they will buy gas for on sale to western European customers.

[Cem]

And my friend, next time if you ever care to look into the history of Palestine you may be enlightened to read that the area was totally destitute, barren and torrid. Nothing to offer in terms agricultural development. Ottomans ruled the area with pure neglect, leaving the exploitation whatsoever into the hands of local landlords (effendis). It was the Israelis who performed a miracles by transforming this arid area into a giant oasis. Finders keepers, loosers weepers. Jerusalem couldn't be a match for İzmir.Better report this to your Chrysi Avgi headquarters!

[james_mav]

Jerusalem couldn't be a match for İzmir.

Uh-huh, whatever you say. I suppose northern cyprus is no match for the entire Black Sea as well eh? And Tenedos a good swap for Baghdad!

[Cem]

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Methinks the loss of İzmir may have hurt you even more

There's no reason for you to worry about my knowledge of Middle East history, Mr. WhiteFlag. The British didn't "lose" palestine, after a half hearted effort, they handed it over to European Zionists (politically speaking there were no Israelis at the time).

So, they gleefully handed it over to zionists ?? What was the motivation behind Irgun and Stern Gang then? Whom they were fighting against??

If the big bad tough turks hadn't been humbled in battle by the scrawny Anzacs in late 1917 and 1918, the political make up of the levant would be very different, and we all know which country wouldn't be on the map.

And which country would be that ?? Please, enlighten me .

The world, every turk, and especially the suffering Palestinians knows of the turkish complicity in their current predicament. And so do you.

So ?? Turks lost the war in M.E, hence they are accountable for the fate of Palis nowadays ?? Interesting logic. BTW, can you enlighten us about the "complicity" bit ? How come a country can become an accomplice by loosing a war/territory ?

[denizaksulu]

Ok - so the white flag over Jerusalem cut a little too close to the bone for you, and you're out with the apologies over your tasteless Smyrna joke, not to mention your tasteless Anzac war grave joke.

Well just in case you forgot, here it is again:


Next to those twisted up-turned mustaches those scrawny little Anzacs don't look so tough!

Do turks feel guilty for having lost Palestine, and for the subsequent poor treatment of your co-religionists at the hands of the Israelis?

And you, don't you feel guilty for your poor knowledge of Middle East History ?
Ottomans lost the territory to Britts, who in their turn lost the territory to Israel in 1948. By that time the empire had long finished, and a new Republic of Turkey had been established.
Why turks would feel guilty for the fate of Pali Arabs ?? Why don't you ask this question to wealthy Arab countries who themselves fought against Ottomans for freedom.? Why were they incapable of defending their co-religionists and kinship?

There's no reason for you to worry about my knowledge of Middle East history, Mr. WhiteFlag. The British didn't "lose" palestine, after a half hearted effort, they handed it over to European Zionists (politically speaking there were no Israelis at the time).

If the big bad tough turks hadn't been humbled in battle by the scrawny Anzacs in late 1917 and 1918, the political make up of the levant would be very different, and we all know which country wouldn't be on the map.

The world, every turk, and especially the suffering Palestinians knows of the turkish complicity in their current predicament. And so do you.

Suggested reading. "The Anzacs at Gallipoli and France", by C.E.W. Bean. Australian Journalist. Day-to-day accounts of the war in 7 volumes. Good reading and enlightening insight.

[ahristos]

GREEKS IN 1921 HAVE VOTE AGAINST VENIZELOS AND THEY HAVE VOTE
FOR RETURNE OF MONARCY.... THAT HAVE CUT BRITISH AID TO GREECE
FROM SEPTENBER 1921 NO ANY AID TO GREEK TROOPS
AND ALSO THE NEW GOV HAVENT SEND ANY SOPLIES TO M .ASIAS GREEK ARMY
IN REALITY GREEK KING HAVE POOL OUT GREEK ARMY FROM M .ASIA
AND GREEK POPULATION OF M ASIA HAD TO PAY THE COST APROX 2 MILLIONS REFUGIES
HAD TO GO TO GREECE USA AUSTRALIA ECT TURKEY TOOK FROM GREECE APROX 475.000 MUSLEMS
ALBANIANS GYPSIES TURKS EVEN GREEK MUSLEMS
SO FOR MORE INFO GOTO VIKPEDIA .. GREEKS HAVE KICK CONPATRIOTS THE REASON WASH .....
ISLAM FAITH OR FOR OTHERS CORRUPTION FROM TURKS AND COLLABORATION WITH THEM IN BALCANS WARS