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[EPSILON]

How about they agree to mirror their policies.

Start with the 12 miles coastline that Turkey uses for the Black Sea and action it in the Aegean.

Yes but the Aegean is a special case!

[Special because the application of international law would disadvantage turkey...is it a coincidence that so many international disputes involving turkey are "special cases" in which international law does not apply?]

this what i mean on my previous-the point is Turks to be a democratic state , respecting the int law as first step

[runaway]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

Greece is in EU because Valerie Giscard d'Estaing pushed for it despite European Commission's OXI at that time stating Greece was not ready to be a member. Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

I said this many times. The bigger problem of Turkish society is not the regime over their heads but the fact that many of Turks do not understand / not feel that they are not a democratic state.The word Democracy is still complecated in their minds since many of them never experienced such a state.They beilive that, because Attaturk dressed them like Europeans, they became Europeans in a democratic state. Of course in comparizon with Saudi Arabia Turkey is a democratic state but in comparizon with Europe is just an undercover dictatorship. the point is the majority of Turks to realize this and try to push their leaders to the correct direction.If Turkey became a full democratic state then the most of the problems we are discussing here will be solved immdly.

Greece is in no position to give democracy lessons to Turkiye. No religious rights for minorities. Not a single mosque in a EU capital. No Turkish associations in Thrace. Church makes politics. etc etc etc etc . You are right james. Unfortunately EU can't change Greece.

[Byron]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

Greece is in EU because Valerie Giscard d'Estaing pushed for it despite European Commission's OXI at that time stating Greece was not ready to be a member. Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

I said this many times. The bigger problem of Turkish society is not the regime over their heads but the fact that many of Turks do not understand / not feel that they are not a democratic state.The word Democracy is still complecated in their minds since many of them never experienced such a state.They beilive that, because Attaturk dressed them like Europeans, they became Europeans in a democratic state. Of course in comparizon with Saudi Arabia Turkey is a democratic state but in comparizon with Europe is just an undercover dictatorship. the point is the majority of Turks to realize this and try to push their leaders to the correct direction.If Turkey became a full democratic state then the most of the problems we are discussing here will be solved immdly.

Greece is in no position to give democracy lessons to Turkiye. No religious rights for minorities. Not a single mosque in a EU capital. No Turkish associations in Thrace. Church makes politics. etc etc etc etc . You are right james. Unfortunately EU can't change Greece.

And the EU will not change Turkey because it will never get in !!!!

[james_mav]

You are right james. Unfortunately EU can't change Greece.

And nor should it!

Unfortunately for you, we are in and you are not. turkey might have a bigger military, population, economy, and more influence with the US, but here is one thing that you want but will only get on our terms.

[Oracle]

Greece is in no position to give democracy lessons to Turkiye.

Nobody can give Turkey democracy lessons. People have died/been murdered trying to ...

Not a single mosque in a EU capital.

Are you religious enough to want them? Then build them yourselves ...

[runaway]

Greece is in no position to give democracy lessons to Turkiye.

Nobody can give Turkey democracy lessons. People have died/been murdered trying to ...

Not a single mosque in a EU capital.

Are you religious enough to want them? Then build them yourselves ...

We will build our university in Thrace moron lady. And Pakis and Afghans their mosques in Athens. That s what real EU (applicable in true Western democracies unlike Greece) is all about. Freedom

[james_mav]

Greece is in no position to give democracy lessons to Turkiye.

Nobody can give Turkey democracy lessons. People have died/been murdered trying to ...

Not a single mosque in a EU capital.

Are you religious enough to want them? Then build them yourselves ...

The Greek authorities won't allow it.

[james_mav]

Greece is in no position to give democracy lessons to Turkiye.

Nobody can give Turkey democracy lessons. People have died/been murdered trying to ...

Not a single mosque in a EU capital.

Are you religious enough to want them? Then build them yourselves ...

We will build our university in Thrace moron lady. And Pakis and Afghans their mosques in Athens. That s what real EU (applicable in true Western democracies unlike Greece) is all about. Freedom

You won't get away with the university either, because private universities are forbidden in Greece (except under limited circumstances, and even then, they're not recognised as universities).

[james_mav]

We will build our university in Thrace moron lady. And Pakis and Afghans their mosques in Athens. That s what real EU (applicable in true Western democracies unlike Greece) is all about. Freedom

There are plenty of unofficial mosques in Greece, apart from ones that serve Greece's muslim minority, there has been one in the pipeline from before the 2004 Olympics which the authorities have been stalling on.

[runaway]

Faire entrer la Turquie, c'est condamner d'autres pays comme la France et l'Allemagne à perdre de l'influence en Europe. Cela alimente les théories du complot…

C'est l'argument qu'avait utilisé de Gaulle à propos de la Grande-Bretagne. Mais, pour peser dans le monde, il vaut mieux être l'Union européenne que l'Union d'une partie de l'Europe. Dans les décennies à venir, nous aurons besoin du dynamisme économique et démographique de la Turquie. Avec la Turquie, l'Europe peut être un facteur significatif de réconciliation avec le monde musulman. Et puis, si nous estimons que Chypre est en Europe, alors que c'est une île au large de la Syrie, il est difficile de ne pas considérer que la Turquie est en Europe.

dis Carl Bildt ,le ministre des Affaires étrangères suédois dans le Figaro, 25 Mai 2009
http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections-europe ... monde-.php

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