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[ahristos]

also you turks rename the litle greek minority rum greeks are not romans
bizantine wash the former roman empires eastern part
but population wash multinational greeks armenians albanians slavs georgians ect
why you call greeks rum....???romans
us we know in w thrace are pomachs/bulgarians muslems gypsies and turks
also meny are mixtures from turk+pomach or gypsy and turk
so they have deside to call the clear turks us turks
only the rest are muslems that says my eurostat note book page
for minorities turks clear turks i mean are only 35.678 in Gumurginas villages
area and in w THRACE
A TOTAL OF 197.000 MUSLEMS ARE IN W THRACE BUT CLEAR TURKS ARE ONLY
35.000 I MEAN FROM TURKISH ORIGIN MUTHER AND FATHER
LOZAGNE TRITY WORKS IN GREECE
BUT IN TURKEY GREEKS AND ARMENIANS HAVE DESAPEAR SHAME TO THEM
THEY HAVE BROKE KEMALS SIGNATURE AFTER HES DEATH

[EPSILON]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

[runaway]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

Greece is in EU because Valerie Giscard d'Estaing pushed for it despite European Commission's OXI at that time stating Greece was not ready to be a member. Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

[DT.]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

Greece is in EU because Valerie Giscard d'Estaing pushed for it despite European Commission's OXI at that time stating Greece was not ready to be a member. Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

Year 2009 and you still occupy a part of our country and our homes.

[james_mav]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

Greece is in EU because Valerie Giscard d'Estaing pushed for it despite European Commission's OXI at that time stating Greece was not ready to be a member. Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

turkishness has been a crime in Greece for about 700 years, why would it change now all of a sudden? Greece has been around for perhaps 2,000 odd years longer than the EU, it's somewhat arrogant to believe that the EU will change Greece.

If turkey wants turkishness to not be a crime in Greece, they might try admitting past sins and come to a fair, equitable, and lasting settlement with their neighbours (and with minorities within their own borders) - only then might turkishness be downgraded from a serious indictable offense to a summary offense.

[james_mav]

Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

Year 2009 and you still occupy a part of our country and our homes.

I sometimes really wonder if turks say stuff like "shame on you Greece" tounge-in-cheek or if they genuinely think that the transgressions of other nations are as heinous as their own. Are they disingenuous or stupid?

[EPSILON]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

Greece is in EU because Valerie Giscard d'Estaing pushed for it despite European Commission's OXI at that time stating Greece was not ready to be a member. Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

Yes may be you are right but it was also an additional important reason: European Union (as target-society) was created on the values of GREEK-ROMAN civilization (this was the theory that time)- it would be very strange Greece to be out of it.Now the only relation Turkey has to both is that it destroyed them.

[DT.]

How about they agree to mirror their policies.

Start with the 12 miles coastline that Turkey uses for the Black Sea and action it in the Aegean.

[james_mav]

How about they agree to mirror their policies.

Start with the 12 miles coastline that Turkey uses for the Black Sea and action it in the Aegean.

Yes but the Aegean is a special case!

[Special because the application of international law would disadvantage turkey...is it a coincidence that so many international disputes involving turkey are "special cases" in which international law does not apply?]

[EPSILON]

and this country is supposed to be a EU member. There are at least 150,000 Turks in Western Thrace despite Greek denial.

You are right-even more!!!!Greeks forgot to sent them out as reaction to Greeks pushed out from Istanbul!!!!In Trace they have Turkish schools/education, and freedom of speach.They are living well and despite they do not accept the existance of other Muslims in the area (they consider all Muslims as Turks) they now want even a Turkish university. THIS IS WHY GREECE IS IN EU AND TURKEY WILL BAKE FOR CENTURIES TO BE A MEMBER.

Greece is in EU because Valerie Giscard d'Estaing pushed for it despite European Commission's OXI at that time stating Greece was not ready to be a member. Year 2009 and Turkishness is still a crime. Shame on you Greece.

I said this many times. The bigger problem of Turkish society is not the regime over their heads but the fact that many of Turks do not understand / not feel that they are not a democratic state.The word Democracy is still complecated in their minds since many of them never experienced such a state.They beilive that, because Attaturk dressed them like Europeans, they became Europeans in a democratic state. Of course in comparizon with Saudi Arabia Turkey is a democratic state but in comparizon with Europe is just an undercover dictatorship. the point is the majority of Turks to realize this and try to push their leaders to the correct direction.If Turkey became a full democratic state then the most of the problems we are discussing here will be solved immdly.