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Re: Official: Greece has no Turkish minorities

Postby Lit » Fri May 22, 2009 10:30 pm

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YFred wrote:Sign of things to come: first minority then don't exist.

House rules Greece has no Turkish minorities
By Elias Hazou

BY UNANIMOUS vote, the Plenum yesterday passed a resolution stressing that it does not recognise the presence of “any Turkish minority within the territory of Greece”.

The move comes after DISY deputy Christos Pourgourides, in his personal capacity, signed a motion for a resolution calling for an investigation into possible human rights violations of the ‘Turkish minority’ in the Greek islands of Rhodes and Kos.

The contentious motion was drafted by the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), of which Pourgourides is a member. PACE’s document, dated May 6, expressed “concern on the situation of the Turkish minority” in the two islands.

PACE’s motion cited concerns over religious and linguistic restrictions for persons of Turkish ethnic origin living in the two islands. It noted, for instance, that Turkish schools in Rhodes and Kos “ceased to operate in 1972”. And that “according to the latest information received, the Turkish minority on the islands is denied the right to education in their mother tongue.”

Greece does not acknowledge the presence of a Turkish minority, instead referring to Greek citizens of Turkish ethnic origin as the “Muslim minority”.

A number of Turkish MPs also signed the same document. Pourgourides took flak from politicians in Cyprus, accusing him of playing into the hands of Turkish diplomacy and of jeopardising Cyprus’ relations with steadfast ally Greece.

Yesterday’s resolution by Parliament, drafted at the initiative of DIKO, also stressed that “we remain firmly opposed to Turkey’s intention to promote secessionist elements in the territory of Greece”.

The final draft of the resolution omitted a reference to Pourgourides’ actions, as its authors had originally intended. The resolution was approved by all MPs, including Pourgourides.

Pourgourides’ own party DISY have distanced themselves from their deputy. Earlier this week, the veteran politician was summoned to party headquarters in Nicosia to explain his actions.

DISY spokesman Harris Georgiades told the Mail his party wanted to make it “absolutely clear” that they did not espouse the view that a Turkish minority existed in Greece.

“To avoid any confusion, we have to say that neither does Mr. Pourgourides. His point of view was that, given the allegations on human rights violations in Rhodes and Kos, it would be better to investigate these allegations rather than not. That does not mean he agrees there is a human rights problem vis-a-vis people of Turkish ethnic origin. His rationale is duly noted.”

DISY’s problem, it seems, was with Pourgourides’ handling of the matter: he had failed to consult with them on such a sensitive issue.

“By agreeing that an investigation is necessary, you’d send out the wrong political message. We wanted to demonstrate that Greece has a clear human rights record,” said Georgiades.

Though distancing themselves from Pourgourides, at the same time DISY sought to shield their man from some of the more malicious attacks leveled against him.

“The rhetoric we’ve been hearing these last few days…that his behaviour was unpatriotic, bordering on treasonous…was a gross exaggeration,” said Georgiades.


Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009


this has been my argument all along regarding cyprus, first tc are told your a cypriot to piss anna vatan off then we get told we're a minority tc community then a muslim minority then you dont even exist!!


Nobody in Cyprus is going to tell you what you are despite what you may read from some in this forum. If you dont want to be called a Cypriot Muslim and prefer Turkish Cypriot...that is your right. The government of the RoC refers to Talat as the Turkish Cypriot leader and you as a Turkish Cypriot. So your concerns are not warranted and your reaction, BigAl is why i vehemently questioned some of the GC posters in this forum. And numerically speaking, the Turkish Cypriots are a minority. Cyprus has many minorities and we recognize them as such. We do not discriminate here. I simply look for the day when ALL Cypriots, are able to work, invest, travel, reside anywhere they wish in any part of Cyprus. I mean if Cypriots can do this in other countries of the EU, surely we should have these rights in Cyprus as well. Do you not agree with me Big Al?
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Postby Lit » Fri May 22, 2009 10:37 pm

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Piratis wrote:It was a Muslim minority right from the very begging with the Treaty of Lausanne of 1923 between Greece and Turkey. Nothing changed since then. Greece follows the agreement on that Treaty as signed. The Muslim/Turkish minority in Greece has increased in population vastly since then.

On the other hand, Turkey has not honored her agreement about the Greeks that would stay in Turkey, and has actually exterminated most of them.

For example the islands of Imbros and Tenedos that would remain under Turkish rule had a majority of Greeks. With the Treaty of Lausanne Turkey agreed to give a special autonomous administrative status to those people. Not only it didn't do that, but on the contrary it ethnically cleansed almost all Greeks from those islands.

Now Turkey is again trying (like they did in Cyprus) to use that Muslim minority as a way to serve their expansinistic aims against Greece.

Maybe the Greeks were stupid for not doing what the Turks did? If the Greeks acted like the Turks there wouldn't even be a Muslim minority in Greece today.


Pressurised them into emigrating would be a more accurate statement.


Pressured how? Killing a few here and there? What do you mean by pressured...exactly how was pressure applied? That fact is they do not exist in that area anymore and we both can agree on that.
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Postby Lit » Fri May 22, 2009 10:40 pm

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Greece is in fact being a proper citizen of the community of nations by complying with her obligations under the Treaty of Lausanne. Perhaps we should discuss how turkey has complied with her obligations under the same treaty towards the rights of the (now nearly non-existent) Christian minority in Turkey, particularly Imbros, Tenedos, and Constantinople? And to think that turks have the gall to criticise the EU for not admitting turkey - the turks cannot abide by the treaty which created the modern state of turkey, how the hell are they going to abide by the EU ascension treaties?


Well said.
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Postby runaway » Sat May 23, 2009 12:16 am

Greece braces for Thrace rap
22/05/2009

Greece is likely to face strict criticism regarding its treatment of a Muslim minority in the northern region of Thrace following a scheduled visit next month by Council of Europe officials, diplomatic sources have told Kathimerini.

The delegation is to check whether Greece has honored a decision by the European Court of Human Rights allowing two local groups to define themselves as Turkish. In March last year, the court ruled that Greece had violated European provisions on freedom of association by banning two groups called the Xanthi Turkish Union and the Rhodope Cultural Association of Turkish Women.

A Greek diplomat said a warning or a stiff fine was in store. “We are going to find ourselves in a corner and under a lot of pressure,” he said. Meanwhile, it emerged that Ankara is considering conceding to Greek requests for the reopening of the Halki Orthodox Seminary but only in exchange for the creation of a Turkish university in Thrace, a proposal Greece is certain to refuse.



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Postby Oracle » Sat May 23, 2009 12:29 am

Whys is blackmail the only modus operandi of the Turks? :roll:
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Postby paliometoxo » Sat May 23, 2009 12:51 am

its all they know how to do and one of two ways they know how to get what they want, the second being using their army to take things by force
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Postby YFred » Sat May 23, 2009 12:11 pm

paliometoxo wrote:its all they know how to do and one of two ways they know how to get what they want, the second being using their army to take things by force

Palio this is so wrong. How can an EU country do to the Turks what Turkey does to the Kurds. It is then used against them to block their accession and yet Greece is in the EU. This shows the double standards being used by the EU against Turkey. The worst of all, justify it because it was internationally agreed. It can't get any better than that. Shows what International law is about and how it is used and abused to serve the interests of those who can back it up with military power.
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Postby runaway » Sat May 23, 2009 12:40 pm

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paliometoxo wrote:its all they know how to do and one of two ways they know how to get what they want, the second being using their army to take things by force

Palio this is so wrong. How can an EU country do to the Turks what Turkey does to the Kurds. It is then used against them to block their accession and yet Greece is in the EU. This shows the double standards being used by the EU against Turkey. The worst of all, justify it because it was internationally agreed. It can't get any better than that. Shows what International law is about and how it is used and abused to serve the interests of those who can back it up with military power.


Don't bother talking about double standards to these blind people. Whatever Greece and south cyprus do to Turks, TCs, Albanians, Kosovars, Bosniaks,Macedonians and others is reasonable and when Turkiye does the same it is not acceptable.
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Postby DT. » Sat May 23, 2009 1:18 pm

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paliometoxo wrote:its all they know how to do and one of two ways they know how to get what they want, the second being using their army to take things by force

Palio this is so wrong. How can an EU country do to the Turks what Turkey does to the Kurds. It is then used against them to block their accession and yet Greece is in the EU. This shows the double standards being used by the EU against Turkey. The worst of all, justify it because it was internationally agreed. It can't get any better than that. Shows what International law is about and how it is used and abused to serve the interests of those who can back it up with military power.


Don't bother talking about double standards to these blind people. Whatever Greece and south cyprus do to Turks, TCs, Albanians, Kosovars, Bosniaks,Macedonians and others is reasonable and when Turkiye does the same it is not acceptable.


WHat is Greece doing to the Macedonians? Thessaloniki is Greece's 2nd largest city makes the Macedonians nearly 1/4 of the population of Greece if you consider how many people live in Northern Greece.
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Postby james_mav » Sat May 23, 2009 2:18 pm

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paliometoxo wrote:its all they know how to do and one of two ways they know how to get what they want, the second being using their army to take things by force

Palio this is so wrong. How can an EU country do to the Turks what Turkey does to the Kurds. It is then used against them to block their accession and yet Greece is in the EU. This shows the double standards being used by the EU against Turkey. The worst of all, justify it because it was internationally agreed. It can't get any better than that. Shows what International law is about and how it is used and abused to serve the interests of those who can back it up with military power.

Are you seriously equating Greece's the treatment of her muslim minority with turkey's treatment of the Kurds?
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