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Postby halil » Fri May 22, 2009 10:04 am

Problem in here is ,
somehow in this forum people are always talks about what happened to GC's . We all know what happened to GC's but no one is denying it .What we accept from our GC's friends not to deny what has been done to our Civilians in 1974 . Too many TC's villages were under the attacks in 1974 .Lots of them had very difficult times in those days .Some of the run away from the mountains to North ....some of them got captured and taken to prisoner camps in GC's control area ....Some of them immigrated to British bases . Some of them lost their lifes while they were trying to escape from south to north .They lost their lifes on the mountains or got captured . Lots of them are still in life now .They lives in North and their the ones live evidances of the truth . It does not get u no where just saying no single Turkish Cypriot killed in 1974 .... Yes they have been killed .Lots of Turkish Cypriots enclaved villages has been attacked and capured as a prisoner of war . My auntie husband Hassan was one of them .He was prisoner in Larnaka and lost his life in prison camp .He was from Mormenekşe (Dromolaxia).
They all says today how it was difficult for them ... it was hell for them thats what they are saying ..... we all suffer in Cyprus .... because of stupid idea of military coup in 15 july 1974 .

by putting propaganda videos from both sides does not clear what has been happened to us ..... we all know how things are started in 15 july 1974 and before 1974 .... it does not give u rights to blaim all the time one side what we had in Cyprus between 1963 and 1974 .
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Postby DT. » Fri May 22, 2009 10:52 am

halil wrote:Problem in here is ,
somehow in this forum people are always talks about what happened to GC's . We all know what happened to GC's but no one is denying it .What we accept from our GC's friends not to deny what has been done to our Civilians in 1974 . Too many TC's villages were under the attacks in 1974 .Lots of them had very difficult times in those days .Some of the run away from the mountains to North ....some of them got captured and taken to prisoner camps in GC's control area ....Some of them immigrated to British bases . Some of them lost their lifes while they were trying to escape from south to north .They lost their lifes on the mountains or got captured . Lots of them are still in life now .They lives in North and their the ones live evidances of the truth . It does not get u no where just saying no single Turkish Cypriot killed in 1974 .... Yes they have been killed .Lots of Turkish Cypriots enclaved villages has been attacked and capured as a prisoner of war . My auntie husband Hassan was one of them .He was prisoner in Larnaka and lost his life in prison camp .He was from Mormenekşe (Dromolaxia).
They all says today how it was difficult for them ... it was hell for them thats what they are saying ..... we all suffer in Cyprus .... because of stupid idea of military coup in 15 july 1974 .

by putting propaganda videos from both sides does not clear what has been happened to us ..... we all know how things are started in 15 july 1974 and before 1974 .... it does not give u rights to blaim all the time one side what we had in Cyprus between 1963 and 1974 .


Thats were you're wrong Halil

Yfred, Insan, runaway etc deny that anything happened to the GC's. All GC casualties were killed by GC's, no one was raped, no one was executed.
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Postby halil » Fri May 22, 2009 11:27 am

DT. wrote:
halil wrote:Problem in here is ,
somehow in this forum people are always talks about what happened to GC's . We all know what happened to GC's but no one is denying it .What we accept from our GC's friends not to deny what has been done to our Civilians in 1974 . Too many TC's villages were under the attacks in 1974 .Lots of them had very difficult times in those days .Some of the run away from the mountains to North ....some of them got captured and taken to prisoner camps in GC's control area ....Some of them immigrated to British bases . Some of them lost their lifes while they were trying to escape from south to north .They lost their lifes on the mountains or got captured . Lots of them are still in life now .They lives in North and their the ones live evidances of the truth . It does not get u no where just saying no single Turkish Cypriot killed in 1974 .... Yes they have been killed .Lots of Turkish Cypriots enclaved villages has been attacked and capured as a prisoner of war . My auntie husband Hassan was one of them .He was prisoner in Larnaka and lost his life in prison camp .He was from Mormenekşe (Dromolaxia).
They all says today how it was difficult for them ... it was hell for them thats what they are saying ..... we all suffer in Cyprus .... because of stupid idea of military coup in 15 july 1974 .

by putting propaganda videos from both sides does not clear what has been happened to us ..... we all know how things are started in 15 july 1974 and before 1974 .... it does not give u rights to blaim all the time one side what we had in Cyprus between 1963 and 1974 .


Thats were you're wrong Halil

Yfred, Insan, runaway etc deny that anything happened to the GC's. All GC casualties were killed by GC's, no one was raped, no one was executed.


what i was trying to say at above Yes GC's suffered as well . Not only The GC's suffered in Cyprus .... TC'S are also suffered . Both of us get killed and raped .... not only GC's DT ..... Thats what u are always trying to spread around the world . U are all angels and TC's ,Turkey are the devils .I never said all GC's killed by GC's .
You are the one who is denying all the time that no TC's killed in 1974 .... No TC's got prisoner . There was no prisoner camps were in South .

Yes there was ..... I can prove u by pictures and red crossed documents too .
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Postby YFred » Fri May 22, 2009 12:42 pm

DT. wrote:
halil wrote:Problem in here is ,
somehow in this forum people are always talks about what happened to GC's . We all know what happened to GC's but no one is denying it .What we accept from our GC's friends not to deny what has been done to our Civilians in 1974 . Too many TC's villages were under the attacks in 1974 .Lots of them had very difficult times in those days .Some of the run away from the mountains to North ....some of them got captured and taken to prisoner camps in GC's control area ....Some of them immigrated to British bases . Some of them lost their lifes while they were trying to escape from south to north .They lost their lifes on the mountains or got captured . Lots of them are still in life now .They lives in North and their the ones live evidances of the truth . It does not get u no where just saying no single Turkish Cypriot killed in 1974 .... Yes they have been killed .Lots of Turkish Cypriots enclaved villages has been attacked and capured as a prisoner of war . My auntie husband Hassan was one of them .He was prisoner in Larnaka and lost his life in prison camp .He was from Mormenekşe (Dromolaxia).
They all says today how it was difficult for them ... it was hell for them thats what they are saying ..... we all suffer in Cyprus .... because of stupid idea of military coup in 15 july 1974 .

by putting propaganda videos from both sides does not clear what has been happened to us ..... we all know how things are started in 15 july 1974 and before 1974 .... it does not give u rights to blaim all the time one side what we had in Cyprus between 1963 and 1974 .


Thats were you're wrong Halil

Yfred, Insan, runaway etc deny that anything happened to the GC's. All GC casualties were killed by GC's, no one was raped, no one was executed.

Really? What we disagree on is how many people Sampson killed? 97 - pull the other one the middle one goes ding-a-ling?
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Postby DT. » Fri May 22, 2009 4:01 pm

halil wrote:Problem in here is ,
somehow in this forum people are always talks about what happened to GC's . We all know what happened to GC's but no one is denying it .What we accept from our GC's friends not to deny what has been done to our Civilians in 1974 . Too many TC's villages were under the attacks in 1974 .Lots of them had very difficult times in those days .Some of the run away from the mountains to North ....some of them got captured and taken to prisoner camps in GC's control area ....Some of them immigrated to British bases . Some of them lost their lifes while they were trying to escape from south to north .They lost their lifes on the mountains or got captured . Lots of them are still in life now .They lives in North and their the ones live evidances of the truth . It does not get u no where just saying no single Turkish Cypriot killed in 1974 .... Yes they have been killed .Lots of Turkish Cypriots enclaved villages has been attacked and capured as a prisoner of war . My auntie husband Hassan was one of them .He was prisoner in Larnaka and lost his life in prison camp .He was from Mormenekşe (Dromolaxia).
They all says today how it was difficult for them ... it was hell for them thats what they are saying ..... we all suffer in Cyprus .... because of stupid idea of military coup in 15 july 1974 .

by putting propaganda videos from both sides does not clear what has been happened to us ..... we all know how things are started in 15 july 1974 and before 1974 .... it does not give u rights to blaim all the time one side what we had in Cyprus between 1963 and 1974 .


The situation is as follows...

- Innocent TC's where killed by a group of people that we refer to as EOKA B thugs/murderers/scumbags...
- Innocent GC's were killed by a group of people the TC's refer to till this day as members of a "peace operation"

go figure

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Postby insan » Fri May 22, 2009 4:05 pm

DT. wrote:
halil wrote:Problem in here is ,
somehow in this forum people are always talks about what happened to GC's . We all know what happened to GC's but no one is denying it .What we accept from our GC's friends not to deny what has been done to our Civilians in 1974 . Too many TC's villages were under the attacks in 1974 .Lots of them had very difficult times in those days .Some of the run away from the mountains to North ....some of them got captured and taken to prisoner camps in GC's control area ....Some of them immigrated to British bases . Some of them lost their lifes while they were trying to escape from south to north .They lost their lifes on the mountains or got captured . Lots of them are still in life now .They lives in North and their the ones live evidances of the truth . It does not get u no where just saying no single Turkish Cypriot killed in 1974 .... Yes they have been killed .Lots of Turkish Cypriots enclaved villages has been attacked and capured as a prisoner of war . My auntie husband Hassan was one of them .He was prisoner in Larnaka and lost his life in prison camp .He was from Mormenekşe (Dromolaxia).
They all says today how it was difficult for them ... it was hell for them thats what they are saying ..... we all suffer in Cyprus .... because of stupid idea of military coup in 15 july 1974 .

by putting propaganda videos from both sides does not clear what has been happened to us ..... we all know how things are started in 15 july 1974 and before 1974 .... it does not give u rights to blaim all the time one side what we had in Cyprus between 1963 and 1974 .


Thats were you're wrong Halil

Yfred, Insan, runaway etc deny that anything happened to the GC's. All GC casualties were killed by GC's, no one was raped, no one was executed.


I'm only against exaggerations and dirty propaganda that were observed, witnessed and reported by foreign observers, journalists.
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Postby RichardB » Fri May 22, 2009 4:12 pm

I'm only against exaggerations and dirty propaganda that was observed, witnessed and reported by foreign observers, journalists.


fred can you clarify please

You are against exagerations and dirty propaganda -Fine I can relate to this

But if what was reported was 'witnessed and observed' by foreign journalists how is this propaganda

No points scoring here just the clarification please
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Postby insan » Fri May 22, 2009 4:19 pm

RichardB wrote:
I'm only against exaggerations and dirty propaganda that was observed, witnessed and reported by foreign observers, journalists.


fred can you clarify please

You are against exagerations and dirty propaganda -Fine I can relate to this

But if what was reported was 'witnessed and observed' by foreign journalists how is this propaganda

No points scoring here just the clarification please


report from cyprus

(By Stanley Karnow)
Nicosia

One afternoon last week a pair of Turkish jet fighter planes appeared over this city, darting across the azure sky like silver birds, and although they flew oflf within a matter of minutes, their impact was electric. Offices emptied, merchants quickly shuttered up their shops, and those who could motored into the nearby hills amid rumors that the aircraft were reconnoitering for a fresh offensive by the Turkish forces, which already occupj^ the northern tier of the island. Nothing of course occurred, and a day later all was again calm. Yet the moment of ])anic dramatized the extreme nervousness of the Greek Cypriots, who vastly outnumber
the local Turkish minority. Their apprehension is understandable for the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey that followed the ouster of President Makarios 10 weeks ago has been devastating. Hundreds of Greek and Turkish Cypriots have been killed, often in atrocious circumstances, and new tales of slaughter, rape and killage are detailed nearly every day by one ethnic group in an effort to impugn the other.

http://www.archive.org/stream/humanitar ... t_djvu.txt
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Postby RichardB » Fri May 22, 2009 4:34 pm

insan wrote:
RichardB wrote:
I'm only against exaggerations and dirty propaganda that was observed, witnessed and reported by foreign observers, journalists.


fred can you clarify please

You are against exagerations and dirty propaganda -Fine I can relate to this

But if what was reported was 'witnessed and observed' by foreign journalists how is this propaganda

No points scoring here just the clarification please


report from cyprus

(By Stanley Karnow)
Nicosia

One afternoon last week a pair of Turkish jet fighter planes appeared over this city, darting across the azure sky like silver birds, and although they flew oflf within a matter of minutes, their impact was electric. Offices emptied, merchants quickly shuttered up their shops, and those who could motored into the nearby hills amid rumors that the aircraft were reconnoitering for a fresh offensive by the Turkish forces, which already occupj^ the northern tier of the island. Nothing of course occurred, and a day later all was again calm. Yet the moment of ])anic dramatized the extreme nervousness of the Greek Cypriots, who vastly outnumber
the local Turkish minority. Their apprehension is understandable for the invasion of Cyprus by Turkey that followed the ouster of President Makarios 10 weeks ago has been devastating. Hundreds of Greek and Turkish Cypriots have been killed, often in atrocious circumstances, and new tales of slaughter, rape and killage are detailed nearly every day by one ethnic group in an effort to impugn the other.

http://www.archive.org/stream/humanitar ... t_djvu.txt


insan it was the wording of the sentence that confused me
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Postby YFred » Fri May 22, 2009 5:22 pm

RichardB wrote:
I'm only against exaggerations and dirty propaganda that was observed, witnessed and reported by foreign observers, journalists.


fred can you clarify please

You are against exagerations and dirty propaganda -Fine I can relate to this

But if what was reported was 'witnessed and observed' by foreign journalists how is this propaganda

No points scoring here just the clarification please

It wasn't me that said it? But I'll have a go.

Sometimes the reporters suppress certain facts and exaggerate others or reverse the order of which the incidences occurred, then even though its true, can become a dirty propaganda. Classic example was the British police against the miners.
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