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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 23, 2009 6:00 pm

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I do have the TC's best interest at heart, and why wouldn't I, since they are my ethnic community, but only as long as they want to be part of Cyprus as equal citizen enjoyed by all others in a Democratic country. If they do not want to be as one nation as equal citizens, then that's the choice they will make and have to live with the consequences for their decisions. What I will not support is you claiming to have built a "country" in the north on land that also belongs to others. This will never be accepted by anyone and you know that damn well, as the reason why the Turkish army is there. This is no way to have your own "country" as you have found out, because it lacks all the ingredients of what make a real country. You have tried it your way for the past 35 years in the north, and look where it has gotten you in political recognition, legalities, economically or morally.


You are way beyond possessing an ethnic origin as your bastardized mentality has meant that you have surrendered yourself to the highest bidder be it the USA or Switzerland, you are aloof of the real problems and fears faced by the TCs, thats why you have no right to claim you are part of our community and clearly do not have the best interests of TCs only GCs to whom you subscribe 100%.

The TCs declared what they want in 1974, then again in 1983 and the division recognized or not has provided primarily what the TCs desire to rule themselves and not be dominated or discriminated against by GCs. We are prepared to live with the consequencies, the past 35 years have proven much better for TCs than the previous 11 of which you to enjoyed the benefits. The knife also cuts both ways the GCs will have live with the consequencies of losing their land and not ever seeing the whold island as one ever again. This does not mean that they will not consider the benefits of uniting with the south but they will not accept any solution giving up what we have today for a worse and risk burdened structure that does not guarantee our rights leaving it to chance under what you label as "true democracy and human rights" administered by GCs.



No one claims that the TC's do not deserve all of the above as the GC's have now, but at the same time, one cannot be expected to violate all international laws and Human rights and expect to be treated the same as if nothing has happened. You belief that you can only push for an agreed partition may have had some degree of chance had it been proposed way back which it was not because as far as you were concerned, the Cyprus problem was over all awhile holding 37% of the land. You did not show any interest in asking for an agreed partition then, and now it is too late for you, because with all the current legalities being in the favour of the RoC, you now have next to ZERO chance ever getting it, at least not at anywhere the amount of land that you are now holding under foreign occupation.


There are many forms of democracy which will no imbinge on the individuals rights but also can ensure the effective and guaranteed contribtuion of both communities. Why are there derrogrations in democracy to allow for the uniqueness of the country concerned, this does not automatically have to mean that peoples rights will be restricted in anyway, thats what you peddle to bolster the GC arguement. You still have problems understanding that you can ignore all the judgements and resolutions you want as long as you accept the consequencies which we have already established TCs are willing to accept as the alternative is not even on our agenda as long as the ingridients do not include what we want and not just what the GCs want.

Kikapu as for partition I have it already only thing that missing is the recognition this can only materialize if GCs continue to make mistakes and show the world that we cannot agree a solution, so its really up to them even Banki Moon is asking for things to be speeded up as the progress is not satisfactory and at this rate it will take another 100 years to agree the smallest of issues. As the situation stands today physically partition is in place and if left without a solution the TRNC will become more and more Turkish and the GCs in 30 years time have to re-evaluate if they want to unite with them or beg the world to kick out 2nd 3rd generation NEW Turkish Cypriots.

I have never pretended in liking anyone with Racist and Fascistic views who also lie on top, no matter who they are. You could be my brother and still would not give you any slack, so don't think this is anything personal. It is only your demented and corrupted ideology that I take issues with.


Labels mean nothing to me if you have not already realized but I will say that if wanting a better future for TCs where they have a guaranteed say in their own future and not forced into minority status exposed to GC domination and discrimination then you can call it what you wish.

No one ever said that the lives of the TC's was a picnic between 1963 and 1974, not that you would know anything about it. Those were the bad years for the TC's and even though one can point fingers to the GC nationalist for their inhumane treatments, you also have to point fingers to the TC nationalist for keeping them in those situation so to reach the goal of the present objectives, except they were expecting another outcome from what they had hoped for, and that's what I'm talking about when I talk about the last 35 years. You don't need to tell me anything about what went on before 1974 unless you have first hand experience because we can all read the reports from different sources for ourselves. We don't need you to be a "parrot" by regurgitating all your propaganda crap.


Werent you the one who said you dont have to visit the TRNC to know whats going on there, double standards me thinks yet again this appears to be a very strong forte of yours and brings forth your real mentality of twisting and turning to suit your goal which is to get us to capitulate to GC demands.

Lets say the TCs have learned their lesson and another Turkish saying for you come to mind but you have probably not heard of this one either, "the milk should be blown on before drinking".

Smart people can separate facts from fiction for themselves, and can also figure you out with all your Racist and Fascistic intentions for a unified Cyprus and that you cannot be trusted to give you in what you want, and I'm one of them. You only have the best interest at heart for all the Racist, Fascist and the Morally Corrupted, and until you choose to become a Cypriot as an equal citizen, nothing good will come of the "trnc", in fact, expect far worse things to happen as time goes by. So yes, I do have the best interest of all TC's who will embrace democracy and Human Rights, and for you, any one who doesn’t. There's definitely a distinction in which TC's we both want their best interest in. We will wait and see who will come on top....................eventually.!


Labels labels...you appear to have this thing for them, when you cannot deal with people who do not agree with your "rights" you label them to help you address the real problems, well as long as you continue with your current mindset and despot arguements you will get the support of GCs 100% and 0% support from the TCs.
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Postby humanist » Sat May 23, 2009 11:29 pm

your falling flat on your faces :) get over it VP you know very well the only people holding your so called community down and dominated is the very regime you revere sooo much Turkey its troops and your leadership.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 23, 2009 11:31 pm

humanist wrote:your falling flat on your faces :) get over it VP you know very well the only people holding your so called community down and dominated is the very regime you revere sooo much Turkey its troops and your leadership.


We are over it, its you that wont leave us alone to go our own way.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat May 23, 2009 11:43 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:your falling flat on your faces :) get over it VP you know very well the only people holding your so called community down and dominated is the very regime you revere sooo much Turkey its troops and your leadership.


We are over it, its you that wont leave us alone to go our own way.


That's just it. You don't have your "own way" to go to, because it belongs to everyone. As soon as you accept that, you will find your way.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat May 23, 2009 11:50 pm

Kikapu wrote:
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humanist wrote:your falling flat on your faces :) get over it VP you know very well the only people holding your so called community down and dominated is the very regime you revere sooo much Turkey its troops and your leadership.


We are over it, its you that wont leave us alone to go our own way.


That's just it. You don't have your "own way" to go to, because it belongs to everyone. As soon as you accept that, you will find your way.!


Why is that? we are on our TRNC route and if another more attractive route should appear we may consider taking it.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun May 24, 2009 12:16 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
humanist wrote:your falling flat on your faces :) get over it VP you know very well the only people holding your so called community down and dominated is the very regime you revere sooo much Turkey its troops and your leadership.


We are over it, its you that wont leave us alone to go our own way.


That's just it. You don't have your "own way" to go to, because it belongs to everyone. As soon as you accept that, you will find your way.!


Why is that? we are on our TRNC route and if another more attractive route should appear we may consider taking it.


You are on a dead end route with the "trnc" and has been for a very long time, therefore another route is highly recomended for you that has much brighter future with a Democratic BBF.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun May 24, 2009 12:19 am

Kikapu wrote:
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Kikapu wrote:
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humanist wrote:your falling flat on your faces :) get over it VP you know very well the only people holding your so called community down and dominated is the very regime you revere sooo much Turkey its troops and your leadership.


We are over it, its you that wont leave us alone to go our own way.


That's just it. You don't have your "own way" to go to, because it belongs to everyone. As soon as you accept that, you will find your way.!


Why is that? we are on our TRNC route and if another more attractive route should appear we may consider taking it.


You are on a dead end route with the "trnc" and has been for a very long time, therefore another route is highly recomended for you that has much brighter future with a Democratic BBF.!


We will proceed on that route which has worked for 35 years as we do not believe your evaluation or recommendaiton as you are viewed as dangerous and anti TC, so the route you suggest is no other than a trap to get TCs to capitulate to GC demands becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs.
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