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Postby DT. » Fri May 22, 2009 8:03 am

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Get Real! wrote:The entire Paphos region was "neglected" by the RoC because it was sparsely populated, and the Troodos mountain range was cutting it off from easy access.


I hope you realise that Paphos will become the nation's Capital once again so that the island may once again prosper and regain its ascendancy within the centre of the civilised world? :D

Things have gone from bad to worse ever since Nicosia took over the reigns so it our duty to correct this so that even the Lefkosiates can see the light of day. 8)


why have a stock exchange when you've got Jen & Ken's Cafe that serves the full english while the expats barter.
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Re: Thanks for the replies but....

Postby miltiades » Fri May 22, 2009 8:10 am

cymart wrote:Most of you missed the main point I was trying to make yesterday:what were conditions like in those villages before 1974,compared to others in nearby locations in Paphos district such as Lysos,Polis etc?How did people get around,bearing in mind the roads were not asphalted and there probably was no electricity either in some of them-how did they survive,what diet did they have etc etc?O.K. so many of them had no cars,no t.v's,computers etc or any of the paraphernalia we seem to regard as essential nowadays!But were they unhappy?I am not really interested in the political aspects but I have heard that most of them got along well with the G.C's they knew in neighbouring villages and spoke their language etc.
I realise that there were many old people living in these remote places and after 35 years most of them are probably dead by now,but are there any younger ones who can remember first-hand what things were like before?
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NO TVs , hadn't yet been invented , radios came after the war usually in the Kafenio of the village. I was born in 1946 in Stroumbi the Great about 6-8 miles away from the villages mentioned on a straight line that is.
Were we happy ? The answer is an ephatic yes , village events such as weddings would start on Friday right through to Monday , now and then we had the mobile GARAGIOZIS and of course children had to help in looking after the sheep and the goats as well as tent to other chores , from a very early age I would say.
Then we had the PANAYIRIA all around our village the biggest being the one at Polemi village . The thrill we got going to these places was immense , our treat was PASTELLI and KOUFETTES !!!
We listened to Paramithia , "fairy tales " .
We had little in sweets and other children treats , Ice cream was" invented "in early 1955 or at least that was the first time I saw Ice Cream when a peddler arrived at the school on a pushbike selling ice cream , for payment he would also accept eggs or empty shoe polish bottles!!
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Re: Thanks for the replies but....

Postby halil » Fri May 22, 2009 10:35 am

cymart wrote:Most of you missed the main point I was trying to make yesterday:what were conditions like in those villages before 1974,compared to others in nearby locations in Paphos district such as Lysos,Polis etc?How did people get around,bearing in mind the roads were not asphalted and there probably was no electricity either in some of them-how did they survive,what diet did they have etc etc?O.K. so many of them had no cars,no t.v's,computers etc or any of the paraphernalia we seem to regard as essential nowadays!But were they unhappy?I am not really interested in the political aspects but I have heard that most of them got along well with the G.C's they knew in neighbouring villages and spoke their language etc.
I realise that there were many old people living in these remote places and after 35 years most of them are probably dead by now,but are there any younger ones who can remember first-hand what things were like before?
Thanks.


People were not unhappy in old days cymart .They were all busy on their fields . As u said there was no electricity in their villages , everything was done by hand or by animals .İt was very difficult farming for them .All the families were working in the fields . Once a month or every 3-4 months they were going to city to get some of their needs .They all wanted their kids to get good education and better life .
İn their village they were helping to each other to finish the farming or making new house for their kids .... there was a great respect between eachother .... School teachers were their guide .....
there was no daily meat products in their villages may be once a week or 2-3 times in a month . Every thing was eating at growing up times of it ...some of them were dried for winter .They were making their own bread , macaroni . Tahrana ,hellim . wheat and bulgur . There was no special diets in those days .... They were eating their own fresh eggs and house hens ,rabbits ........ for a breakfast they were eating what has been left from night .... Most of the times in the fields they were eating Bulgur pilaf .boiled broadbeans....... tomatoes , cucumber , olives and hellim too... most of their entertainments were weddings .... usually it was done at summer times , when the farming times were over .... some of them were lasted for a week .
trans portation was very difficult for them most of the times they were using donkeys for it .... some of them had bicycle too .
There was no tractor .... farming has been done with cows . Most of the villages had co-oparatives in their villages .

that's all for time being .....
good luck with your work .....
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Sorry but I have to disagree with you!

Postby cymart » Fri May 22, 2009 12:04 pm

I'm not being personal and hope you will not be offended,but I have to say that the attitude and behaviour of many Paphians makes me strongly dislike the place and I hope it NEVER becomes the capital again!For a start it is too far from the rest of the island and also too far from the north-remember the island has Turkish and Greek-Cypriots who mostly live and will continue to live in either the north or south,even after a solution so Nicosia is far more suitable...Without trying to be cynical, have a look at the headlines of todays Cyprus Mail which reveals that the centre of the town has the worst air-quality in Europe!
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Thanks Bayrak!

Postby cymart » Fri May 22, 2009 12:37 pm

Interesting info.-my wifes father comes from Ayios Andronikos( now called Yesilkoy, but we don't mind as the village is truly green and lovely,due to abundant water supply) in the Karpas.She also spent a year living there when she was about 10 years old with her brothers until they went to the U.K. to join her parents,and still reminisces about it as the best year of her life!There were both Greek and Turkish Cypriots living without any conflict too until 1964 when there were a few problems in nearby villages,but nothing serious.
From what she says,they had plenty of food-all organic,including regular meat, as her grandfather had a big farm and lots of land there, and they were well-off compared to many other villagers.Their diet sounds similar to what you have written about in Turkish Cypriot villages,although no doubt conditions in Paphos were harsher with the land being much harder to farm and less water supply etc.Not many people owned cars so they used the village bus to go to Famagusta and her uncle had a tractor,which a Turkish Cypriot called Cafer suddenly informed my wifes grandfather he was 'borrowing' in late August 1974!!!
Most of my wifes aunties and uncles emigrated to places such as the U.K.,Canada etc. before 1974 anyway and now live very comfortably from a material viewpoint compared to the life they had back in the village so maybe the memories of my wife and her brothers are of happy childhood days when life was sweet,rather than the reality they would have found if they had lived all their lives there as adults?
Whatever the outcome of the present initiative to find a solution,it is unlikely that any of the family would ever return to live there,even if they could,although most of us have visited several times since 2003 and know the family from Turkey that occupies the old village house with the arches.
There is no animosity between us and although it has technically been left to my wifes cousin,now living in England who would love to go and stay there for holidays if he could,we also realise that the Turkish family are now unlikely to voluntarily leave after so many years,(although they told us before they would if they were given a financial incentive)especially as they have children who were born there and consider it to be their home too...since 2004 they have also spent a considerable amount on extending and renovating it!(fanatical 'no' voters on this side please consider this!!)
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri May 22, 2009 12:41 pm

I don't know if this helps, but if you go to a coffee shop called the "Kanlı Mescit Kafeterya" in the old walled area of north Nicosia at lunchtime/early afternoon, you will most likely find a regular customer there who is a refugee from one of these villages. He loves talking about life there in the old days and, contrary to your belief, says that he would like to return there if there was a settlement. He speaks Greek and English as well as Turkish. The owner of that coffee shop, named Günay, is a typical Turkish Cypriot of the old generation who speaks Greek just as well as Turkish. He knows the Turkish Cypriot community very well and I am sure, even if the regular customer I have mentioned is not there, he would be able to point you in the direction of suitable contacts for your research.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri May 22, 2009 1:03 pm

DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The entire Paphos region was "neglected" by the RoC because it was sparsely populated, and the Troodos mountain range was cutting it off from easy access.


I hope you realise that Paphos will become the nation's Capital once again so that the island may once again prosper and regain its ascendancy within the centre of the civilised world? :D

Things have gone from bad to worse ever since Nicosia took over the reigns so it our duty to correct this so that even the Lefkosiates can see the light of day. 8)


why have a stock exchange when you've got Jen & Ken's Cafe that serves the full english while the expats barter.


When I come to Cyprus, you and I are going to have a long and hard chat.... :lol:

We will have to move the Stock Exchange to Paphos as well, so that the CySE Indices become more buoyant.... :wink: :wink:

Trust me on this. Your financial welfare will depend on it... 8)
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Postby Get Real! » Fri May 22, 2009 2:31 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The entire Paphos region was "neglected" by the RoC because it was sparsely populated, and the Troodos mountain range was cutting it off from easy access.


I hope you realise that Paphos will become the nation's Capital once again so that the island may once again prosper and regain its ascendancy within the centre of the civilised world? :D

Things have gone from bad to worse ever since Nicosia took over the reigns so it our duty to correct this so that even the Lefkosiates can see the light of day. 8)

Nah! Paphos, would better serve Cyprus as a closed off region for military experiments and such.
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Postby Paphitis » Fri May 22, 2009 2:43 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The entire Paphos region was "neglected" by the RoC because it was sparsely populated, and the Troodos mountain range was cutting it off from easy access.


I hope you realise that Paphos will become the nation's Capital once again so that the island may once again prosper and regain its ascendancy within the centre of the civilised world? :D

Things have gone from bad to worse ever since Nicosia took over the reigns so it our duty to correct this so that even the Lefkosiates can see the light of day. 8)

Nah! Paphos, would better serve Cyprus as a closed off region for military experiments and such.


Oh yes! And which military will be doing these military experiments? Surely not the Salvation erm I mean the CNG... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Fri May 22, 2009 2:46 pm

All Cypriot waste could be dumped there too… :D
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