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[Paphitis]

Sorry for your loss miltiades .

As a women brit living in my own piece of heaven here in Cyprus, I am going to try to say without criticism that the women drivers of Cyprus are a big worry.

Yetserday I saw a young Mum take her two beautiful young boys off to school both sitting in the front seat without a belt , worse was she was belted in. I wanted to say 'no don,t' but I did,nt

The high rate of deaths on the roads in Cyprus are mainly under 25,s this is tragic and a loss of young people so needlessly, as just a much tougher police force and long driving bans when laws are ignored could change things swiftly.

My serious car accident in the UK was caused by black ice on the road dangers like that you don,t have here, just IMHO a police force that does,nt enforce driving laws already in place.

But I have become a better driver here as I have to be much more aware of the unexpected. One more thing is in the UK there are many many angry drivers because of 'bad driving techniques' endless congestion etc and road rage is a nasty element of this. That has never happened to me here and hopefully never will. Its actually a pleasure to drive on the motorways in Cyprus as they are so congestion free away from the big towns.

Saving lives by enforcing driving laws does NOT have to change any culture and should,nt.

My young female relation , 20 years old , did in fact survive although she is still in intensive care at the Limassol General Hospital . The " accident" was in fact not an accident at but one caused by carelessness and by what Paphitis called " unique Cypriot culture" .

I do drive when in Cyprus but as you say yourself more acutely aware of the unexpected.
It is a crying shame that aspects of the so called Cypriot culture " exclude any criticism of Cyprus whatsoever. Being of Cypriot descent its much more acceptable to Cypriots at large to hear it from their " own".
You will see on this forum a number of Cypriots who would react unreasonably whenever a criticism on anything Cypriot is made.
Recently we posted on the British MPs expense scandal , I in particular was very critical of these bunch of British crooks , yet not one single Brit came to their defence.
Accepting criticism of your self or of your country is one of the criteria in measuring your own maturity and judiciousness .
Cyprus is a beautiful island and the people some of the friendliest in the world , our weather the finest in Europe , why should we allow irresponsible and selfish individuals to get away with discarting rubbish on our beaches on our streets , drive like bloody maniacs , irresponsible actions while driving like the instance you mentioned with the two little boys on the front seat , and other behaviour that belittles our island .

I ought to mention another " Cypriot culture" that not only does it cause immense damage to our youngsters health but is actively encouraged by parents , I'm talking about the smelly , third world exclusive , smoking habit that it is still considered in Cyprus as cool !! As cool as picking your nose or farting in public.
Watch the Plonkers coming after me now !!!

I am willing to place a bet that your female relation was at fault for this accident...

Young females generally have reduced perception of time and space and judgment and she was probably SMSing her mates at the time of the accident or changing the radio station....

[miltiades]

Sorry for your loss miltiades .

As a women brit living in my own piece of heaven here in Cyprus, I am going to try to say without criticism that the women drivers of Cyprus are a big worry.

Yetserday I saw a young Mum take her two beautiful young boys off to school both sitting in the front seat without a belt , worse was she was belted in. I wanted to say 'no don,t' but I did,nt

The high rate of deaths on the roads in Cyprus are mainly under 25,s this is tragic and a loss of young people so needlessly, as just a much tougher police force and long driving bans when laws are ignored could change things swiftly.

My serious car accident in the UK was caused by black ice on the road dangers like that you don,t have here, just IMHO a police force that does,nt enforce driving laws already in place.

But I have become a better driver here as I have to be much more aware of the unexpected. One more thing is in the UK there are many many angry drivers because of 'bad driving techniques' endless congestion etc and road rage is a nasty element of this. That has never happened to me here and hopefully never will. Its actually a pleasure to drive on the motorways in Cyprus as they are so congestion free away from the big towns.

Saving lives by enforcing driving laws does NOT have to change any culture and should,nt.

My young female relation , 20 years old , did in fact survive although she is still in intensive care at the Limassol General Hospital . The " accident" was in fact not an accident at but one caused by carelessness and by what Paphitis called " unique Cypriot culture" .

I do drive when in Cyprus but as you say yourself more acutely aware of the unexpected.
It is a crying shame that aspects of the so called Cypriot culture " exclude any criticism of Cyprus whatsoever. Being of Cypriot descent its much more acceptable to Cypriots at large to hear it from their " own".
You will see on this forum a number of Cypriots who would react unreasonably whenever a criticism on anything Cypriot is made.
Recently we posted on the British MPs expense scandal , I in particular was very critical of these bunch of British crooks , yet not one single Brit came to their defence.
Accepting criticism of your self or of your country is one of the criteria in measuring your own maturity and judiciousness .
Cyprus is a beautiful island and the people some of the friendliest in the world , our weather the finest in Europe , why should we allow irresponsible and selfish individuals to get away with discarting rubbish on our beaches on our streets , drive like bloody maniacs , irresponsible actions while driving like the instance you mentioned with the two little boys on the front seat , and other behaviour that belittles our island .

I ought to mention another " Cypriot culture" that not only does it cause immense damage to our youngsters health but is actively encouraged by parents , I'm talking about the smelly , third world exclusive , smoking habit that it is still considered in Cyprus as cool !! As cool as picking your nose or farting in public.
Watch the Plonkers coming after me now !!!

I am willing to place a bet that your female relation was at fault for this accident...

Young females generally have reduced perception of time and space and judgment and she was probably SMSing her mates at the time of the accident or changing the radio station....

Precisely what I was referring to . Carelessness beyond imagination , like texting while negotiating a roundabout , mobile to the ear while lighting up a cigarette , an attitude that is so prevalent in our society and one that must be tackled . You Mr mustn't jump every time some one throws a criticism of an aspect of life in Cyprus.
Our mentality must improve on many aspects of life , we are a European nation not some Middle Eastern entity. We do not spit in the street , we do not piss in the street and we must not KILL in the street with our bad driving habits.
I encountered within my own family this carefree approach to road safety and I protested most strongly , young kids must be seated at the back and strapped in not on daddy's lap while he is driving !!

[Paphitis]

Sorry for your loss miltiades .

As a women brit living in my own piece of heaven here in Cyprus, I am going to try to say without criticism that the women drivers of Cyprus are a big worry.

Yetserday I saw a young Mum take her two beautiful young boys off to school both sitting in the front seat without a belt , worse was she was belted in. I wanted to say 'no don,t' but I did,nt

The high rate of deaths on the roads in Cyprus are mainly under 25,s this is tragic and a loss of young people so needlessly, as just a much tougher police force and long driving bans when laws are ignored could change things swiftly.

My serious car accident in the UK was caused by black ice on the road dangers like that you don,t have here, just IMHO a police force that does,nt enforce driving laws already in place.

But I have become a better driver here as I have to be much more aware of the unexpected. One more thing is in the UK there are many many angry drivers because of 'bad driving techniques' endless congestion etc and road rage is a nasty element of this. That has never happened to me here and hopefully never will. Its actually a pleasure to drive on the motorways in Cyprus as they are so congestion free away from the big towns.

Saving lives by enforcing driving laws does NOT have to change any culture and should,nt.

My young female relation , 20 years old , did in fact survive although she is still in intensive care at the Limassol General Hospital . The " accident" was in fact not an accident at but one caused by carelessness and by what Paphitis called " unique Cypriot culture" .

I do drive when in Cyprus but as you say yourself more acutely aware of the unexpected.
It is a crying shame that aspects of the so called Cypriot culture " exclude any criticism of Cyprus whatsoever. Being of Cypriot descent its much more acceptable to Cypriots at large to hear it from their " own".
You will see on this forum a number of Cypriots who would react unreasonably whenever a criticism on anything Cypriot is made.
Recently we posted on the British MPs expense scandal , I in particular was very critical of these bunch of British crooks , yet not one single Brit came to their defence.
Accepting criticism of your self or of your country is one of the criteria in measuring your own maturity and judiciousness .
Cyprus is a beautiful island and the people some of the friendliest in the world , our weather the finest in Europe , why should we allow irresponsible and selfish individuals to get away with discarting rubbish on our beaches on our streets , drive like bloody maniacs , irresponsible actions while driving like the instance you mentioned with the two little boys on the front seat , and other behaviour that belittles our island .

I ought to mention another " Cypriot culture" that not only does it cause immense damage to our youngsters health but is actively encouraged by parents , I'm talking about the smelly , third world exclusive , smoking habit that it is still considered in Cyprus as cool !! As cool as picking your nose or farting in public.
Watch the Plonkers coming after me now !!!

I am willing to place a bet that your female relation was at fault for this accident...

Young females generally have reduced perception of time and space and judgment and she was probably SMSing her mates at the time of the accident or changing the radio station....

Precisely what I was referring to . Carelessness beyond imagination , like texting while negotiating a roundabout , mobile to the ear while lighting up a cigarette , an attitude that is so prevalent in our society and one that must be tackled . You Mr mustn't jump every time some one throws a criticism of an aspect of life in Cyprus.
Our mentality must improve on many aspects of life , we are a European nation not some Middle Eastern entity. We do not spit in the street , we do not piss in the street and we must not KILL in the street with our bad driving habits.
I encountered within my own family this carefree approach to road safety and I protested most strongly , young kids must be seated at the back and strapped in not on daddy's lap while he is driving !!

Texting or talking on mobiles whilst driving is common all over the world. This happens in the UK and Australia even more frequently than it does in Cyprus.

But what I was saying is that your relation was probably at fault for this accident. She was probably texting, talking on the mobile, or changing the radio station. Young people need to take responsibility for their actions, instead of mouthing off and blaming Cypriot driving habits.

Cypriot driving habits are here to stay. A Cypriot will always be a Cypriot, not a robotic Pom. We are unique, just like our Greek, Italian, French and Spanish friends. We are very warm blooded, peak headed, and individualistic. It is in our DNA. We are always honest to the point that others may think we are rude. WE ARE NOT POMS.

Being a European nation does not mean that we must become lifeless EU citizens. We are Cypriots first and foremost, and live life to the fullest and don't like to be dictated to by other Brits who think they know better, because they don't even know how to live so what advice can we Cypriots take from bloody Poms?

[miltiades]

Paphitis , toy are talking utterly out of context , it appears to me you have a major problem in comprehending issues involved here.
Preserving our unique Cypriot culture does no entail carrying on riding donkeys instead of driving cars , does not mean wearing vrakes instead of trousers . You are out of context entirely mate .

[Z4]

http://www.rhinocarhire.com/Car-Hire-Bl ... er-2008-(1)/Kamikaze-Drivers-in-Cyprus.aspx

Quite funny!

[Milo]

Being individualistic is good until the fact that road deaths are so high they become a cancer that spreads as seems to be the case. Being proud of bad driving that kills says nothing about Cyprus life.

Like it or not you are a 'lifeless eu member' and will have to play ball eventually. Harping on about the UK and being a Pom etc does,nt hurt anyone but crap drivers do. The driving in the UK may well be bad I am not supporting it BUT the road deaths with 10 million cars on their roads is tiny in comparison to Cyprus, in the EU which you are you come 9th in the eu per capita surely you are NOT saying you care little about death on the roads here? This figure does not include deaths that occur 30 days after the accidents either.

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[Paphitis]

Paphitis , toy are talking utterly out of context , it appears to me you have a major problem in comprehending issues involved here.
Preserving our unique Cypriot culture does no entail carrying on riding donkeys instead of driving cars , does not mean wearing vrakes instead of trousers . You are out of context entirely mate .

I comprehend very well Miltiades.

First of all, Cypriots and Australians loathe England.

There are more than 4 million Surveillance Cameras in London alone. You can't do anything without someone watching you on CCTV.

They have legislation for just about everything. Everything in England is so structured that if I had the misfortune of living in England I would be looking for the first plane out.

You come here and lecture Cypriots over their treatment of animals or their driving skills. You seem to think that the UK is the pinnacle of the civilised world and that we lowly Cypriots must emulate them. Miltiades, there are over a million British migrants in Australia right now and none of them have anything nice to say about Britain.

The last thing you should be doing is getting on your high horse and lecturing Cypriots as if you know better. Cypriots will maintain their unique characteristics and the last thing we want is to end up like England. I like the way Cypriots drive. I like the way Cypriots argue and carry on. I like their honesty and this never offends me.

We will maintain our unique characteristics, just like other Southern Europeans and Middle Eastern Countries because that is who we are as a people. We are not England, Germany or Singapore, and they can stick their rules and fake politeness, because THIS IS CYPRUS!

[Milo]

Paphitis , toy are talking utterly out of context , it appears to me you have a major problem in comprehending issues involved here.
Preserving our unique Cypriot culture does no entail carrying on riding donkeys instead of driving cars , does not mean wearing vrakes instead of trousers . You are out of context entirely mate .

I comprehend very well Miltiades.

First of all, Cypriots and Australians loathe England.

There are more than 4 million Surveillance Cameras in London alone. You can't do anything without someone watching you on CCTV.

They have legislation for just about everything. Everything in England is so structured that if I had the misfortune of living in England I would be looking for the first plane out.

You come here and lecture Cypriots over their treatment of animals or their driving skills. You seem to think that the UK is the pinnacle of the civilised world and that we lowly Cypriots must emulate them. Miltiades, there are over a million British migrants in Australia right now and none of them have anything nice to say about Britain.

The last thing you should be doing is getting on your high horse and lecturing Cypriots as if you know better. Cypriots will maintain their unique characteristics and the last thing we want is to end up like England. I like the way Cypriots drive. I like the way Cypriots argue and carry on. I like their honesty and this never offends me.

We will maintain our unique characteristics, just like other Southern Europeans and Middle Eastern Countries because that is who we are as a people. We are not England, Germany or Singapore, and they can stick their rules and fake politeness, because THIS IS CYPRUS!

Think the 'fake politeness' was directed to me so here goes Not all Cypriots loathe the UK, some do, as with the Australians, many people believe or not judge all Cypriots on their animal welfare and driving skills which most 'normal' people don,t, wherever they originate.

You (Cyprus that is) should NEVER end up like the UK, first of all you can,t, it took em centuries to become UK plc maintain your unique characteristics, most eu countries do and have but progression in life is what Cyprus has adopted, even before the eu, and is fulfilling albeit slowly.

Stronger much stronger traffic laws are going to be implented here wether you agree or not. Its about saving lives NOT changing cultures.

I do though hope that it does,nt adopt every stupid brussels opinion like the UK has.

Miltiades mentions smoking this will also become a stringent law for smoking inside, and the statistics on passive smoking around young children will change minds NOT some authority from another country making it all up. As will banning smacking children these sensible laws are common throughout the eu and will EVENTUALLY be a part of Cyprus culture.

I fail to see how this will change your lives, it will just enhance them once you get used to it

And again LONDON is not all of the UK

Training up paramedics to be in ambulances is yet another good thing for Cyprus especially as the first hour of a patients life at the roadside can be so easily saved with the right training and equipment. Its all paramount, and you should embrace and demand it as a people.

Did,nt I read that the May bird shoot here had to be banned, that was never going to happen was it. But money talks and heavy fines from the eu stopped it. That was a change, did,nt hurt too much did it?

[miltiades]

Paphitis , we are not talking about the UK and how much YOU think the Cypriots hate England. Bullshit mate , you don't know what you are talking about , I have an English wife with whom I have been visiting Cyprus since the late 60s , she looks 110% English so she would never be mistaken for any other race.
My sister in law too , has been with my older brother since early 60s , just as my wife , there is no mistaking her for any other race.
Now , these two English ladies have been visiting Cyprus for over 40 years. NEITHER HAS EVER ENCOUNTERED ANY ANIMOCITY FROM THE LOCALS .
Neither of them speaks Greek apart from the very colloquial words.
As you can see I'm talking from personal experience while you are talking from your arse.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis , we are not talking about the UK and how much YOU think the Cypriots hate England. Bullshit mate , you don't know what you are talking about , I have an English wife with whom I have been visiting Cyprus since the late 60s , she looks 110% English so she would never be mistaken for any other race.
My sister in law too , has been with my older brother since early 60s , just as my wife , there is no mistaking her for any other race.
Now , these two English ladies have been visiting Cyprus for over 40 years. NEITHER HAS EVER ENCOUNTERED ANY ANIMOCITY FROM THE LOCALS .
Neither of them speaks Greek apart from the very colloquial words.
As you can see I'm talking from personal experience while you are talking from your arse.

Miltiades, even the Brits hate England