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[Paphitis]

TMT did its job. What about the Greek Cypriots who facilitated TMT? Those that dragged sick people from hospital beds and executed them in cold blood? Was this the proper response to TMT's terror? Didn't we throw the Turkish Cypriots into the warm embrace of TMT, by targetting and murdering ordinary folk that were simply Turkish? The same mentality reigns today, I am afraid, especially in the minds of the most patriotic members of this forum.

What can anyone say to this?..you are a legend Bananiot...a legend in your own mind...

You and others are stuck in a time warp I am afraid...The Cyprus conflict wasn't unique, other countries did the same but they seemed to be over it...like Rwandah for example...and do not tell me Rwandah wasn't worst than our conflict...

An EU country wanting a guarantorship?... Why join the EU in the first place?...if you have no faith in it's objectives...

It's time the tcs come out of the deep sleep and see how everything works within the EU...

The tcs want EU membership, did not contribute anything towards EU membership and it woud have costed a bundle I bet, want the all benefits and at the same time rub salt to the wound by saying we do not trust you EU...it's a good one...

The issue is not their guarantees because any numb skull can work out that as a member of the EU there is no possibility of anything out of the ordinary occurring. So the EU is in fact the best possible guarantee.

The issue for the TCs is how they can legalise and formalise the partition of Cyprus, and at present they know that recognition of the "trnc" is impossible, so they ask for Turkish Intervention Rights and just sit back and await for the next spark which could very well be of their own doing in order to trigger off another intervention and prove to the world that GCs and TCs can't live together.

This is their game plan, and we must not fall for it.

[DT.]

TMT did its job. What about the Greek Cypriots who facilitated TMT? Those that dragged sick people from hospital beds and executed them in cold blood? Was this the proper response to TMT's terror? Didn't we throw the Turkish Cypriots into the warm embrace of TMT, by targetting and murdering ordinary folk that were simply Turkish? The same mentality reigns today, I am afraid, especially in the minds of the most patriotic members of this forum.

What can anyone say to this?..you are a legend Bananiot...a legend in your own mind...

You and others are stuck in a time warp I am afraid...The Cyprus conflict wasn't unique, other countries did the same but they seemed to be over it...like Rwandah for example...and do not tell me Rwandah wasn't worst than our conflict...

An EU country wanting a guarantorship?... Why join the EU in the first place?...if you have no faith in it's objectives...

It's time the tcs come out of the deep sleep and see how everything works within the EU...

The tcs want EU membership, did not contribute anything towards EU membership and it woud have costed a bundle I bet, want the all benefits and at the same time rub salt to the wound by saying we do not trust you EU...it's a good one...

The issue is not their guarantees because any numb skull can work out that as a member of the EU there is no possibility of anything out of the ordinary occurring. So the EU is in fact the best possible guarantee.

The issue for the TCs is how they can legalise and formalise the partition of Cyprus, and at present they know that recognition of the "trnc" is impossible, so they ask for Turkish Intervention Rights and just sit back and await for the next spark which could very well be of their own doing in order to trigger off another intervention and prove to the world that GCs and TCs can't live together.

This is their game plan, and we must not fall for it.

This is the sole reason why a "virgin birth" scenario is out of the question.

[DT.]

James_mav asked a legitimate question and the usual suspects jumped in repeating their nonsense which we heard so many times before and simply bore me to death at present.

or at least someone to stop the bloodthirsty Greek Cypriots from devouring them post settlement.

Being one of those devouring bloodthirsty GC's that James_mav is talking about, what is your response to him?

[Paphitis]

James_mav asked a legitimate question and the usual suspects jumped in repeating their nonsense which we heard so many times before and simply bore me to death at present.

or at least someone to stop the bloodthirsty Greek Cypriots from devouring them post settlement.

Being one of those devouring bloodthirsty GC's that James_mav is talking about, what is your response to him?

I hope you realise you are talking to an individual who believes that TMT was justified and "had to do what it had to do" because GCs were in fact "bloodthirsty" even though his attempt at defending the TMT was based on an event that occurred in 1964?

[CopperLine]

Hi -

Presumably under no circumstances would the RoC accept a political settlement that included Turkey as a guarantor power in Cyprus. It also sounds like our TC compatriots are very keen for some kind of guarantor power - or at least someone to stop the bloodthirsty Greek Cypriots from devouring them post settlement.

Are there any realistic proposals that might bridge this gap? I assume that the Brits would not be trusted given their miserable failures in the past. Could a UN force be constituted to enforce and observe a settlement? Or perhaps some kind of an EU force?

I'd say that any settlement that had to be enforced would be doomed to failure from the outset. Either a settlement is mutually agreed upon or it won't work.

[CopperLine]

TMT did its job. What about the Greek Cypriots who facilitated TMT? Those that dragged sick people from hospital beds and executed them in cold blood? Was this the proper response to TMT's terror? Didn't we throw the Turkish Cypriots into the warm embrace of TMT, by targetting and murdering ordinary folk that were simply Turkish? The same mentality reigns today, I am afraid, especially in the minds of the most patriotic members of this forum.

What can anyone say to this?..you are a legend Bananiot...a legend in your own mind...

You and others are stuck in a time warp I am afraid...The Cyprus conflict wasn't unique, other countries did the same but they seemed to be over it...like Rwandah for example...and do not tell me Rwandah wasn't worst than our conflict...

An EU country wanting a guarantorship?... Why join the EU in the first place?...if you have no faith in it's objectives...

It's time the tcs come out of the deep sleep and see how everything works within the EU...

The tcs want EU membership, did not contribute anything towards EU membership and it woud have costed a bundle I bet, want the all benefits and at the same time rub salt to the wound by saying we do not trust you EU...it's a good one...

Boomerang,
Rwanda was immeasurably worse than Cyprus in casualties and duration, for sure. But a crucial difference between Rwanda and Cyprus is that in the former a war crimes tribunal as well as a reconciliation mechanisms were set up charging all parties to alleged war crimes. Cyprus - both sides - still refuses a truth and reconciliation mechanism. Nationalists on both sides denounce such a move as treacherous ... and so there is no truth seeking let alone reconciliation.

[Get Real!]

What about the Greek Cypriots who facilitated TMT?

I wonder if your logic also works the other way round...

"What about the Turkish Cypriots who facilitated EOKA?"

[EPSILON]

6 YEARS BEFORE THE TURKISH INVASION N O T O N E S I N G L E T/C LOST HIS /HER LIFE AS A RESULT OF VILOLENCE BT G/CS ,

These nonsense that a killing spree was taking place is just that , nonsense. Not one single T/C killed , attacked maimed or hurt in any way. In 1974 just before the coup and the Turkish invasion , I was in Famagusta on holiday. Witnessed T/Cs coming out of the walled city of Famagusta to attend their daily chores in the RoC controlled areas. There was no violence at that time.

What pure nonsense... Go sell this shit to others, it just won`t do with us. During those 6 years TCs were completely ejected from the government, the constitution of the state was almost completely altered under the auspices of the "doctrine of necessity", an armed GC gang called the "national guard" was formed and operational (in complete contravention to the original constitution) by the GCs and was being harbored by the "RoC" government, TCs were confined into enclaves and those that came out needed to submit to the authority and decisions of a 100% GC government and additionally to the control of GC military and police. Let me also remind you that this is a period when your elected leader Makarios is on official record for stating that he would not move forward with the talks with us unless the option for ENOSIS is explicitly incorporated into the constitution of the RoC in any agreed settlement.

There are virtues which we consider more dear than our lives.

Cyprus-I remind you was under the British occupation (where your motherland sold on money!!!!) and there was a fight (with many victims) for 5 years looking for freedom.What you-T/cs- did during this period? just co-operating-as you are doing today-with the occupator against the fight for freedom .
But what else could someone expect from settlers like you are .
You T/cs or Turks have nothing to do with the Island of Cyprus-you are just the remains of history and you -all - finally WILL be through out as garbage of the history- (I am sure Christofias will put me in black list after this post).

[insan]

6 YEARS BEFORE THE TURKISH INVASION N O T O N E S I N G L E T/C LOST HIS /HER LIFE AS A RESULT OF VILOLENCE BT G/CS ,

These nonsense that a killing spree was taking place is just that , nonsense. Not one single T/C killed , attacked maimed or hurt in any way. In 1974 just before the coup and the Turkish invasion , I was in Famagusta on holiday. Witnessed T/Cs coming out of the walled city of Famagusta to attend their daily chores in the RoC controlled areas. There was no violence at that time.

What pure nonsense... Go sell this shit to others, it just won`t do with us. During those 6 years TCs were completely ejected from the government, the constitution of the state was almost completely altered under the auspices of the "doctrine of necessity", an armed GC gang called the "national guard" was formed and operational (in complete contravention to the original constitution) by the GCs and was being harbored by the "RoC" government, TCs were confined into enclaves and those that came out needed to submit to the authority and decisions of a 100% GC government and additionally to the control of GC military and police. Let me also remind you that this is a period when your elected leader Makarios is on official record for stating that he would not move forward with the talks with us unless the option for ENOSIS is explicitly incorporated into the constitution of the RoC in any agreed settlement.

There are virtues which we consider more dear than our lives.

Cyprus-I remind you was under the British occupation (where your motherland sold on money!!!!) and there was a fight (with many victims) for 5 years looking for freedom.What you-T/cs- did during this period? just co-operating-as you are doing today-with the occupator against the fight for freedom .
But what else could someone expect from settlers like you are .
You T/cs or Turks have nothing to do with the Island of Cyprus-you are just the remains of history and you -all - finally WILL be through out as garbage of the history- (I am sure Christofias will put me in black list after this post).

Do u mean God created Cyprus especially for Greeks?

[Bananiot]

Only a total moron could infer that I justified TMT when I said that "TMT did what it had to do". Paphitis creates his own demons and he fights them. I just feel sorry for his children or would be children for having such a moron of a father.

A total moron would also claim that our recent history will not shape the solution, if there is a solution after all. These people think that we can simply close a chapter and just open another one.

The very first post asked a legitimate question in my view. Deep seated worries and perhaps prejudices do need to be addressed if we could hope to find an agreed solution. We are scared of the Turkish guarantees because we were burnt in 1974 and the Turkish Cypriots are weary of our crazed nationalists who have not just evaporated away, as some forumers are trying to convince us. James_mav never said that Greek Cypriots are devouring bloodthirsty. He meant, if I understood correctly, that there are Turkish Cypriots who may view Greek Cypriots like that. All these people need to be convinced and the kind of solution we are after is the only safeguard to some peoples’ worries. A call for a nebulous target of the type “european solution” does nothing to bring the Cyprob to an end but only cements the destruction of Cyprus.