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[denizaksulu]

Taking this opportunity on this cetain subject i want to put down one of my deep impressions about the Turks.at least these leading the army in Ankara , some main politicians (Not of present government) and particularly many Turks living in Istanbul.

I am visiting Turkey frequently and i have always the deep impression that many of those people guiding this country have Greek roots.Do not take it as joke. I have many Turks as frinds or business cooperators and many times i have been surprised from their private actions (religion related) and facelooking. If someone walk in the Pera area (Souleimanoglou) and look to people passing he will realise that faces are different - There are people looking exactly like Greeks and people looking like Mongolians or their skin is of lightly of different color as well as the diagram of their faces.Many of them surprised me on their behavor when they feel friently with you and freely to express their feelings.
I am almoast sure that Greeks in general ,are fighting themselves in various aspects of the two countries relations.!!!!1

top dog...General İlker Başbuğ...yunan or rum?...

He is Rumi. Meaning he is from the land or RUM (Roman). RUM is what Turkey was called.

A lot of Turks are of Balkan descent. One of our most famous actress, Neriman Koksal was Roumanian. Kenan Pars was Armenian(Fella). Turkey is a melting pot; just like what the UK is becoming.

ok then...when did a rum become a yunan then?...

Quick answer is NEVER.

YUNAN is a Geographic nomenclature. YUNANISTAN is where they live.

Perhaps it is right to call Cypriot Greeks, RUMs Hellenic rather than Greek. Hellenism (from what I gather from the forum) representing the Greek culture, traditions and language.

That is why on a different thread I was asking GR or was it Paphitis, what word did they use to describe themselves. I wanted to get to the root of all this but as usual we went off on a tangent somewhere.

[EPSILON]

Taking this opportunity on this cetain subject i want to put down one of my deep impressions about the Turks.at least these leading the army in Ankara , some main politicians (Not of present government) and particularly many Turks living in Istanbul.

I am visiting Turkey frequently and i have always the deep impression that many of those people guiding this country have Greek roots.Do not take it as joke. I have many Turks as frinds or business cooperators and many times i have been surprised from their private actions (religion related) and facelooking. If someone walk in the Pera area (Souleimanoglou) and look to people passing he will realise that faces are different - There are people looking exactly like Greeks and people looking like Mongolians or their skin is of lightly of different color as well as the diagram of their faces.Many of them surprised me on their behavor when they feel friently with you and freely to express their feelings.
I am almoast sure that Greeks in general ,are fighting themselves in various aspects of the two countries relations.!!!!1

top dog...General İlker Başbuğ...yunan or rum?...

He is Rumi. Meaning he is from the land or RUM (Roman). RUM is what Turkey was called.

A lot of Turks are of Balkan descent. One of our most famous actress, Neriman Koksal was Roumanian. Kenan Pars was Armenian(Fella). Turkey is a melting pot; just like what the UK is becoming.

ok then...when did a rum become a yunan then?...

oh yeah nearly forgot....when did the rums of cyprus became yunans?...

Is the name Tevkros telling you something? I am sure not.

[boomerang]

Taking this opportunity on this cetain subject i want to put down one of my deep impressions about the Turks.at least these leading the army in Ankara , some main politicians (Not of present government) and particularly many Turks living in Istanbul.

I am visiting Turkey frequently and i have always the deep impression that many of those people guiding this country have Greek roots.Do not take it as joke. I have many Turks as frinds or business cooperators and many times i have been surprised from their private actions (religion related) and facelooking. If someone walk in the Pera area (Souleimanoglou) and look to people passing he will realise that faces are different - There are people looking exactly like Greeks and people looking like Mongolians or their skin is of lightly of different color as well as the diagram of their faces.Many of them surprised me on their behavor when they feel friently with you and freely to express their feelings.
I am almoast sure that Greeks in general ,are fighting themselves in various aspects of the two countries relations.!!!!1

top dog...General İlker Başbuğ...yunan or rum?...

He is Rumi. Meaning he is from the land or RUM (Roman). RUM is what Turkey was called.

A lot of Turks are of Balkan descent. One of our most famous actress, Neriman Koksal was Roumanian. Kenan Pars was Armenian(Fella). Turkey is a melting pot; just like what the UK is becoming.

ok then...when did a rum become a yunan then?...

Quick answer is NEVER.

YUNAN is a Geographic nomenclature. YUNANISTAN is where they live.

Perhaps it is right to call Cypriot Greeks, RUMs Hellenic rather than Greek. Hellenism (from what I gather from the forum) representing the Greek culture, traditions and language.

That is why on a different thread I was asking GR or was it Paphitis, what word did they use to describe themselves. I wanted to get to the root of all this but as usual we went off on a tangent somewhere.

I agree people get mixed up with their wording...you could argue the term hellenic cypriots but not greek cypriots...

to me...my opinion...hellenic cypriots translates to assimilated cypriots, where the term greek cypriots translates to one and the same, a greek...both groups sharing the same language, religion and coulture...

Paps used the term hellenism a lot, which of corse was misquoted by many as meaning greek...but i would have expected the tcs to know what he was talking about...

[Dr J]

Being 'Hellenistic' and being 'Greek' is the same thing!

The term Greek / Greece is the Anglofied version of the Latin term Hellenes / Hellas.

The thing about being Greek is not about being of the same bloodline, its about being of the Greek culture. Thats what it has always been about since the first tribe of Hellenes.

[denizaksulu]

Being 'Hellenistic' and being 'Greek' is the same thing!

The term Greek / Greece is the Anglofied version of the Latin term Hellenes / Hellas.

The thing about being Greek is not about being of the same bloodline, its about being of the Greek culture. Thats what it has always been about since the first tribe of Hellenes.

These 'Tribes' of Hellens, were there before or after the city states of Sparta Athens etc.? Were the Arcadians one of such tribes?

[boomerang]

Being 'Hellenistic' and being 'Greek' is the same thing!

The term Greek / Greece is the Anglofied version of the Latin term Hellenes / Hellas.

The thing about being Greek is not about being of the same bloodline, its about being of the Greek culture. Thats what it has always been about since the first tribe of Hellenes.

hellenism is what the greeks preached to everyone they invaded those days...hellenism was total assimilation, and as piradis says it was peacefull...you can argue the term peacefull, but history tells us total submission has to be brutaly inforced...look at just 200 years with the Australian aboriginals...even in turkey they are still toying with the idea, but it ain't working...

but hey, they can mean the same to you...

[DT.]

Being 'Hellenistic' and being 'Greek' is the same thing!

The term Greek / Greece is the Anglofied version of the Latin term Hellenes / Hellas.

The thing about being Greek is not about being of the same bloodline, its about being of the Greek culture. Thats what it has always been about since the first tribe of Hellenes.

The term Greek is derived from Γρεκος. Markiyiannis declared Εγώ Γρεκός γεννήθηκα, Γρεκός θε' να πεθάνω

[EPSILON]

Being 'Hellenistic' and being 'Greek' is the same thing!

The term Greek / Greece is the Anglofied version of the Latin term Hellenes / Hellas.

The thing about being Greek is not about being of the same bloodline, its about being of the Greek culture. Thats what it has always been about since the first tribe of Hellenes.

These 'Tribes' of Hellens, were there before or after the city states of Sparta Athens etc.? Were the Arcadians one of such tribes?

You must declare you as Greek or Hellenic in order we reply you this!!

[denizaksulu]

Being 'Hellenistic' and being 'Greek' is the same thing!

The term Greek / Greece is the Anglofied version of the Latin term Hellenes / Hellas.

The thing about being Greek is not about being of the same bloodline, its about being of the Greek culture. Thats what it has always been about since the first tribe of Hellenes.

These 'Tribes' of Hellens, were there before or after the city states of Sparta Athens etc.? Were the Arcadians one of such tribes?

You must declare you as Greek or Hellenic in order we reply you this!!

Why is that? Is it a secret 'Association'?

or you do not know the answer?

[EPSILON]

Being 'Hellenistic' and being 'Greek' is the same thing!

The term Greek / Greece is the Anglofied version of the Latin term Hellenes / Hellas.

The thing about being Greek is not about being of the same bloodline, its about being of the Greek culture. Thats what it has always been about since the first tribe of Hellenes.

These 'Tribes' of Hellens, were there before or after the city states of Sparta Athens etc.? Were the Arcadians one of such tribes?

You must declare you as Greek or Hellenic in order we reply you this!!

Why is that? Is it a secret 'Association'?

or you do not know the answer?

it seems the second is the case!!