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Kikapu

Is that what your psychologist told you, that you are perverted individual for using the "cunt" word a lot during your discussions on the forum. By far, you are the only forum member who has used the "C" word around here more than anyone else. I have yet to use the “C” once in the last 3 years and you call me perverted.!

Tells us more what your psychologist has said to you on the subject of perversity in all wrong doings as being acceptable to you.!

The C word was used in a moment of anger but your sexual conatations and ineundos just come out of the blue and with no real bearing on the matter being discussed, this is a clear symptom of sexual frustration and inadequency as the only place you can vent you sexual deficiencies is by introducing sexual content in what you say and write, you need help as yours is a perverted tendency and will get worse with age, seek help before its to late.

You will need to tell us what rights the Orams have, other than going after the TC who sold them property that did not belong to him, as well as the "trnc" for being complicit in that sale. Good luck the Orams getting anything from the above two.

But if we were to follow your logic, what you are then saying is, that the TC and the "trnc" will be in complicit together to create a "double dipping". First the TC sold a GC land in the north and made money, and with the assistance of the "trnc", he then get his deeds back for his land in the south from the “trnc”, so that he can sell that also and make even more money......Good Luck.!

No double dipping as the GC gets his piece of land villa free and the TC has already got his money from the Orams who get the proceeds of the sale of the land in the south. All the TRNC has to do is get the TC to make a claim for his land in the south, if the GC authorities do not accept his appliccation then he can take his case to the ECHR. Or if the prosecute him for selling land that does not belong to him then they have to prove this by recognizing that such a transaction actually took place in the TRNC and thereofre the land registry documents will be used.

Isn't it true, that most of the TC land in the south belongs to our grandparents and parents and not to those of our age group or younger directly, which means that many of these legal owners are either dead or are very old who has not transferred their land titles into their children’s names in the last 35 years, because to do that, they would have had to go to south to take care of business, which many have not done so, because they have been given GC land instead in the north and would be afraid if the "trnc" found out that they were trying to "double dip", because even if the legal TC owners were dead, their children were given equal distribution of GC land in the north against the total land owned by their parents or grandparent in the south. So in effect, many TC's in the north are sitting on GC land that was given against divided (parcelled) TC deeds amongst the children of the original TC owner. If one of the children who has received GC land in the north and then sells it, like to the Orams, that TC may not have land in the south in his name, but in his parents or grandparents name, so in effect, he has no land in the south, at least not until all the children go through probate to sort it out, before most individuals can get part of their share into their names. But they could not do this, because of the "trnc" and the rules set by the RoC.!

Irelevent to this case, you are just trying to create a smoke screen to cloud up the fact the TC can get his land back in the south as the GC courts now have to abide by the ECJ ruling, sell it and give the proceeds to the Orams.

The C word was used in a moment of anger but your sexual conatations and ineundos just come out of the blue and with no real bearing on the matter being discussed, this is a clear symptom of sexual frustration and inadequency as the only place you can vent you sexual deficiencies is by introducing sexual content in what you say and write, you need help as yours is a perverted tendency and will get worse with age, seek help before its to late.

Thank you Dr. VP for your useless analysis, or was this what your psychologist told you during your last "perverts anonymous" meetings.?

So, VP, you say that you have only used the "C" word in a moment of anger, so I guess you get angry quiet a lot then, since you have used the "C" word a lot on the forum. This is a sign of a very unstable person, wouldn't you say.? It's not as if you are talking to us face to face where such an outburst can be explained, but you write them down after you have read the other persons post, time has lapsed and yet you have not allowed yourself to calm down. People around you must walk on "eggshells" all day long, thinking you might just freak out at any moment.!

There are few things I need to correct you on. For one thing, you have gotten sexuality mixed up with profanity, and the fact that you cannot tell the difference, is very worrying to me that you cannot tell the difference, so I can see why you think I'm being a pervert when I'm only using profanity to make certain points in my posts, but you see it as a sexuality problem. So in all honesty, I think it is you who seem to have a problem of being a pervert than me, because for me, there was nothing that I wrote meant SEX, but for you, it meant SEX. Perhaps the comment about the TC's being like a castrated rabbit who has become impotent was not to your liking, but that is the fact, is it not, that the TC's are impotent when it comes to voting in the north versus the settlers.!

No double dipping as the GC gets his piece of land villa free and the TC has already got his money from the Orams who get the proceeds of the sale of the land in the south. All the TRNC has to do is get the TC to make a claim for his land in the south, if the GC authorities do not accept his appliccation then he can take his case to the ECHR. Or if the prosecute him for selling land that does not belong to him then they have to prove this by recognizing that such a transaction actually took place in the TRNC and thereofre the land registry documents will be used.

Sure there is "Double Dipping", because the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams has already sold his "share" of his land in the south, and if he sells his land in the south also, he will get more money, because he is not obliged to give anything to the Orams, because as far as he was concerned, he was in his right to sell the GC land to the Orams, just because the "trnc" has said that he can sell the GC land, which he did. So, the only "persons" the Orams need to go after, is the "trnc" for allowing such a sale to happen and they also guaranteed the sale and loses to the buyer, and so, clearly, the buyer, the Orams have been damaged by the "legal" structure that the "trnc" had set up in selling off GC land to others. The only trouble the TC who sold the land to the Orams will get, is from the RoC for selling something that did not belong to him, which is a crime in the RoC as I understand it, therefore I do not expect that TC to go to the south to try and sell anything that he may own in the south.

Irelevent to this case, you are just trying to create a smoke screen to cloud up the fact the TC can get his land back in the south as the GC courts now have to abide by the ECJ ruling, sell it and give the proceeds to the Orams.

It is not an irrelevant case as you put it. For one thing, if the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is younger than 60 years old, my guess his, he does not have any land in the south under his own name, but perhaps under his parents or grandparents name like the most of us, therefore he doe3s not have anything to sale if he falls into the dilemma I had outlined on my previous post regarding TC land in the south.

[Get Real!]

Thank you Dr. VP for your useless analysis,

You should look at the entertainment value!

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

Thank you Dr. VP for your useless analysis, or was this what your psychologist told you during your last "perverts anonymous" meetings.?

So, VP, you say that you have only used the "C" word in a moment of anger, so I guess you get angry quiet a lot then, since you have used the "C" word a lot on the forum. This is a sign of a very unstable person, wouldn't you say.? It's not as if you are talking to us face to face where such an outburst can be explained, but you write them down after you have read the other persons post, time has lapsed and yet you have not allowed yourself to calm down. People around you must walk on "eggshells" all day long, thinking you might just freak out at any moment.!

There are few things I need to correct you on. For one thing, you have gotten sexuality mixed up with profanity, and the fact that you cannot tell the difference, is very worrying to me that you cannot tell the difference, so I can see why you think I'm being a pervert when I'm only using profanity to make certain points in my posts, but you see it as a sexuality problem. So in all honesty, I think it is you who seem to have a problem of being a pervert than me, because for me, there was nothing that I wrote meant SEX, but for you, it meant SEX. Perhaps the comment about the TC's being like a castrated rabbit who has become impotent was not to your liking, but that is the fact, is it not, that the TC's are impotent when it comes to voting in the north versus the settlers.!

Stop squirming trying to throw something back at me, the simple solution is not to introduce sexual content into your arguements, if you are capable of course which is questionable.

Sure there is "Double Dipping", because the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams has already sold his "share" of his land in the south,and if he sells his land in the south also, he will get more money,

How do you know? put up or apologise.

because as far as he was concerned, he was in his right to sell the GC land to the Orams, just because the "trnc" has said that he can sell the GC land, which he did.

This is correct.

So, the only "persons" the Orams need to go after, is the "trnc" for allowing such a sale to happen and they also guaranteed the sale and loses to the buyer, and so, clearly, the buyer, the Orams have been damaged by the "legal" structure that the "trnc" had set up in selling off GC land to others.

This is of course one option together with pursuing the sale of the land in the south via the TCs right to his land which you have stated he has if the land is still available.

The only trouble the TC who sold the land to the Orams will get, is from the RoC for selling something that did not belong to him, which is a crime in the RoC as I understand it, therefore I do not expect that TC to go to the south to try and sell anything that he may own in the south.

Did the transaction take place in the TRNC? if the "RoC" do not recognize the north and what goes on there how will the prosecute when the TCs has handed back the GCs flat piece of land and claimed his own in the south?

It is not an irrelevant case as you put it. For one thing, if the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is younger than 60 years old, my guess his, he does not have any land in the south under his own name, but perhaps under his parents or grandparents name like the most of us, therefore he doe3s not have anything to sale if he falls into the dilemma I had outlined on my previous post regarding TC land in the south.

You are stonewalling, do the TCs have a right to the land in the south be they heirs or original owners? this is irrelevant...the principle is important here what you are trying to do is another sign you are a GC and that is creat problems to cloud the real issue, that the TC has rights now thank to Candounas rubber stamped by the EU.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu wrote :

Isn't it true, that most of the TC land in the south belongs to our grandparents and parents and not to those of our age group or younger directly, which means that many of these legal owners are either dead or are very old who has not transferred their land titles into their children’s names in the last 35 years, because to do that, they would have had to go to south to take care of business, which many have not done so, because they have been given GC land instead in the north and would be afraid if the "trnc" found out that they were trying to "double dip", because even if the legal TC owners were dead, their children were given equal distribution of GC land in the north against the total land owned by their parents or grandparent in the south. So in effect, many TC's in the north are sitting on GC land that was given against divided (parcelled) TC deeds amongst the children of the original TC owner. If one of the children who has received GC land in the north and then sells it, like to the Orams, that TC may not have land in the south in his name, but in his parents or grandparents name, so in effect, he has no land in the south, at least not until all the children go through probate to sort it out, before most individuals can get part of their share into their names. But they could not do this, because of the "trnc" and the rules set by the RoC.!

This whole land issue is a mess especially for those children/grandchildren who in reality don't have much idea of what land was left in the south and who have no dealings with the land given as exchange in the north.

My father-in-law and his brothers have/had extensive land in Istinjo and were given exchange land in Balikesir/Palekythro. All of the kids are abroad, most in the UK, some in Australia. None have any intention whatsoever of settling in Cyprus. So what will hapeen to this land. Will it just go the the state over time ?

74LB,

It is a bad mess as you stated, because with each passing year, the TC land in the south becomes more difficult to sort out between the families who in principle are the owners since it was once owned by their parents or grandparents if no action was taken in the last 35+ years to officially re-register these TC lands in the new owners ( heirs) names with the land registry in the RoC. But guess what, I believe this problem does not stop only with TC land in the south, because the same problems are also happening in the north with the TC land before ‘74.

Lets just say Ali had 10 dönüms of land in the north pre ‘74 and in ‘84 Ali passes away and his 5 children all got 2 dönüms each and registered it with the land registry in the north. But the north is not recognised, and as far as the RoC is concerned, Ali is still the legal registered owner and non of his kids are if a will was not written and executed in the courts in the south or a probate had taken place, and since the north and south were closed off from each other, my guess is, nothing official has been done with Ali's land in the south, so come a settlement in the future, all these will need to be legally sorted out. Problems will occur if any of Ali's 5 children are now dead and they left a family behind and some of Ali's children or grandchildren has moved off the island to other parts of the world, it will be very difficult to get them all together in the future to all agree with what should be the final outcome of Ali's land, since I do not think the RoC will recognise any of the dealings the "trnc" had done on behalf of Ali's land, specially if Ali's land will fall into being in the south state once BBF is established. To make matters worse, most TC’s have also changed their family names from what the records will show for Ali in the RoC.

I believe the GC's will not have the same problems as the TC's, because they have been passing on their land to their heirs in an official way with the land registry in the south no matter if the GC land was in the south or in the north. As of today, many GC's know what land belongs to which person, even if their grandparents and parents have passed away, because to GC's, they did not believe that the Cyprus problem was solved in ‘74, therefore they took care of business in passing down their land to their families legally, unlike for the TC's who were told that Cyprus problem was over in 74, therefore they did nothing with their land officially with the RoC, whether their land was in the south or the north. It will take many years to sort out the land problems that belong to the TC's, be it be in the north or the south, and the prospects of finding all the descendants of Ali to pass his land to them legally, will be a monumental task, if not impossible.!

I cannot disagree, and the fact that there was almost no way a TC could get access to the RoC Land Registry for the best part of 30 years was also a contributing factor.

The TRNC administration has a lot to answer for in relation to the current land situation

74LB,

The scenario I have given you is not as bad as it could get, and here is what I'm talking about.

In our scenario, Ali passed away in 1984 and his 10 Dönüms of land went to his 5 children at 2 Dönüms a piece, and of course, this transaction were only handled in the north with the "trnc" and not where it should have been handled, in the RoC, because of many reasons. I have already given you the many difficulties Ali's family will face to legalize the land into their own names after a solution. But lets look at another scenario which is far worse than the one I have given earlier.

After Ali's 5 children take 2 dönüms each and then they in turn, turn around and sell it to others as a safe pre 1974 deeds. Now you have 5 new buyers who are not even related to Ali, and the new buyers will also register it in the north. These new 5 buyers might want to sell the extra 1 Dönüm to someone else, so now you have 10 people who has bought into Ali's land. Few years later, they turn around and sell it to others and so on as a safe pre 1974 TC land, all awhile all the transactions being handled in the north. Then we have a settlement and guess what's going to happen. For one thing, the RoC has no records what so ever on any land transaction on Ali's land for the last 35+ years, but in the meantime, many hands has changed with his land.

I suspect, the RoC will only recognise the original owner as being Ali and no one else, which means, others who thought they were buying safe pre 74 land, may have bought nothing of the sort, because the land registry in the RoC only has Ali as the sole owner and if he is dead, which in our scenario he had died in 1984, then his descendants will have the rights for his land. So what does all this mean then.? Does it mean that no land is safe to buy in the north, including the safe pre 1974 TC land, if official records were/are not kept with the RoC. I suspect many things will be overlooked to make the transition of forming a settlement based on BBF, but how can the state defend itself if it gives away Ali's land to others without any official records of it's own. What if Ali's family show up one day and ask the RoC, "where the hell is our fathers land" after they themselves sold Ali's land many years earlier to others, but the RoC has no records what’s so ever.!

Once again, the very last occupants on Ali's land may find out, that they do not own Ali's land after all, even though it is a pre '74 TC land.!

Questions, questions.!!!!

[Kikapu]

Kikapu

Thank you Dr. VP for your useless analysis, or was this what your psychologist told you during your last "perverts anonymous" meetings.?

So, VP, you say that you have only used the "C" word in a moment of anger, so I guess you get angry quiet a lot then, since you have used the "C" word a lot on the forum. This is a sign of a very unstable person, wouldn't you say.? It's not as if you are talking to us face to face where such an outburst can be explained, but you write them down after you have read the other persons post, time has lapsed and yet you have not allowed yourself to calm down. People around you must walk on "eggshells" all day long, thinking you might just freak out at any moment.!

There are few things I need to correct you on. For one thing, you have gotten sexuality mixed up with profanity, and the fact that you cannot tell the difference, is very worrying to me that you cannot tell the difference, so I can see why you think I'm being a pervert when I'm only using profanity to make certain points in my posts, but you see it as a sexuality problem. So in all honesty, I think it is you who seem to have a problem of being a pervert than me, because for me, there was nothing that I wrote meant SEX, but for you, it meant SEX. Perhaps the comment about the TC's being like a castrated rabbit who has become impotent was not to your liking, but that is the fact, is it not, that the TC's are impotent when it comes to voting in the north versus the settlers.!

Stop squirming trying to throw something back at me, the simple solution is not to introduce sexual content into your arguements, if you are capable of course which is questionable.

Sure there is "Double Dipping", because the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams has already sold his "share" of his land in the south,and if he sells his land in the south also, he will get more money,

How do you know? put up or apologise.

because as far as he was concerned, he was in his right to sell the GC land to the Orams, just because the "trnc" has said that he can sell the GC land, which he did.

This is correct.

So, the only "persons" the Orams need to go after, is the "trnc" for allowing such a sale to happen and they also guaranteed the sale and loses to the buyer, and so, clearly, the buyer, the Orams have been damaged by the "legal" structure that the "trnc" had set up in selling off GC land to others.

This is of course one option together with pursuing the sale of the land in the south via the TCs right to his land which you have stated he has if the land is still available.

The only trouble the TC who sold the land to the Orams will get, is from the RoC for selling something that did not belong to him, which is a crime in the RoC as I understand it, therefore I do not expect that TC to go to the south to try and sell anything that he may own in the south.

Did the transaction take place in the TRNC? if the "RoC" do not recognize the north and what goes on there how will the prosecute when the TCs has handed back the GCs flat piece of land and claimed his own in the south?

It is not an irrelevant case as you put it. For one thing, if the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is younger than 60 years old, my guess his, he does not have any land in the south under his own name, but perhaps under his parents or grandparents name like the most of us, therefore he doe3s not have anything to sale if he falls into the dilemma I had outlined on my previous post regarding TC land in the south.

You are stonewalling, do the TCs have a right to the land in the south be they heirs or original owners? this is irrelevant...the principle is important here what you are trying to do is another sign you are a GC and that is creat problems to cloud the real issue, that the TC has rights now thank to Candounas rubber stamped by the EU.

Sure there is "Double Dipping", because the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams has already sold his "share" of his land in the south,and if he sells his land in the south also, he will get more money,

How do you know? put up or apologise.

So what are you saying, that the Orams got the GC land for free from the TC who had possesion of the land.??

Perhaps it was a Christmas gift to the Orams and no money exchanged hands.!

You are stonewalling, do the TCs have a right to the land in the south be they heirs or original owners? this is irrelevant...the principle is important here what you are trying to do is another sign you are a GC and that is creat problems to cloud the real issue, that the TC has rights now thank to Candounas rubber stamped by the EU.

I thought you were serious to know what difficulties there are in the TC's path in getting their land back in the south, thanks to Denktash's grand scheme for his partition dream, but after 35+ years, the problems are going to surface and you are not going to like it. The decent TC's will face all these problems who never bought or sold any GC land in the north, but for those who did, I expect their problems will not be just legal ownership of their parents and grandparents land, but also problems with their criminal activities. But since you want to act belligerently with your above comments just for pointing out the obvious problems that lies ahead for the TC’s, you can piss off and figure them out yourself, as if you could.!

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Kikapu

Thank you Dr. VP for your useless analysis, or was this what your psychologist told you during your last "perverts anonymous" meetings.?

So, VP, you say that you have only used the "C" word in a moment of anger, so I guess you get angry quiet a lot then, since you have used the "C" word a lot on the forum. This is a sign of a very unstable person, wouldn't you say.? It's not as if you are talking to us face to face where such an outburst can be explained, but you write them down after you have read the other persons post, time has lapsed and yet you have not allowed yourself to calm down. People around you must walk on "eggshells" all day long, thinking you might just freak out at any moment.!

There are few things I need to correct you on. For one thing, you have gotten sexuality mixed up with profanity, and the fact that you cannot tell the difference, is very worrying to me that you cannot tell the difference, so I can see why you think I'm being a pervert when I'm only using profanity to make certain points in my posts, but you see it as a sexuality problem. So in all honesty, I think it is you who seem to have a problem of being a pervert than me, because for me, there was nothing that I wrote meant SEX, but for you, it meant SEX. Perhaps the comment about the TC's being like a castrated rabbit who has become impotent was not to your liking, but that is the fact, is it not, that the TC's are impotent when it comes to voting in the north versus the settlers.!

Stop squirming trying to throw something back at me, the simple solution is not to introduce sexual content into your arguements, if you are capable of course which is questionable.

Sure there is "Double Dipping", because the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams has already sold his "share" of his land in the south,and if he sells his land in the south also, he will get more money,

How do you know? put up or apologise.

because as far as he was concerned, he was in his right to sell the GC land to the Orams, just because the "trnc" has said that he can sell the GC land, which he did.

This is correct.

So, the only "persons" the Orams need to go after, is the "trnc" for allowing such a sale to happen and they also guaranteed the sale and loses to the buyer, and so, clearly, the buyer, the Orams have been damaged by the "legal" structure that the "trnc" had set up in selling off GC land to others.

This is of course one option together with pursuing the sale of the land in the south via the TCs right to his land which you have stated he has if the land is still available.

The only trouble the TC who sold the land to the Orams will get, is from the RoC for selling something that did not belong to him, which is a crime in the RoC as I understand it, therefore I do not expect that TC to go to the south to try and sell anything that he may own in the south.

Did the transaction take place in the TRNC? if the "RoC" do not recognize the north and what goes on there how will the prosecute when the TCs has handed back the GCs flat piece of land and claimed his own in the south?

It is not an irrelevant case as you put it. For one thing, if the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is younger than 60 years old, my guess his, he does not have any land in the south under his own name, but perhaps under his parents or grandparents name like the most of us, therefore he doe3s not have anything to sale if he falls into the dilemma I had outlined on my previous post regarding TC land in the south.

You are stonewalling, do the TCs have a right to the land in the south be they heirs or original owners? this is irrelevant...the principle is important here what you are trying to do is another sign you are a GC and that is creat problems to cloud the real issue, that the TC has rights now thank to Candounas rubber stamped by the EU.

Sure there is "Double Dipping", because the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams has already sold his "share" of his land in the south,and if he sells his land in the south also, he will get more money,

How do you know? put up or apologise.

So what are you saying, that the Orams got the GC land for free from the TC who had possesion of the land.??

Perhaps it was a Christmas gift to the Orams and no money exchanged hands.!

You are stonewalling, do the TCs have a right to the land in the south be they heirs or original owners? this is irrelevant...the principle is important here what you are trying to do is another sign you are a GC and that is creat problems to cloud the real issue, that the TC has rights now thank to Candounas rubber stamped by the EU.

I thought you were serious to know what difficulties there are in the TC's path in getting their land back in the south, thanks to Denktash's grand scheme for his partition dream, but after 35+ years, the problems are going to surface and you are not going to like it. The decent TC's will face all these problems who never bought or sold any GC land in the north, but for those who did, I expect their problems will not be just legal ownership of their parents and grandparents land, but also problems with their criminal activities. But since you want to act belligerently with your above comments just for pointing out the obvious problems that lies ahead for the TC’s, you can piss off and figure them out yourself, as if you could.!

So we conclude the TC can get his land back or take the "RoC" to the ECHR and use their own ruling against them....whatever happens there is going to be a lot of suing and lawyers getting rich.

[DT.]

WHen will people learn the difference between the ECJ and the ECHR?

[Viewpoint]

WHen will people learn the difference between the ECJ and the ECHR?

Where will TCs take the "RoC"?

[Get Real!]

WHen will people learn the difference between the ECJ and the ECHR?

Where will TCs take the "RoC"?

To a pub?

[Dr J]

Where will TCs take the "RoC"?

Toys 'R Us?