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[Jerry]

"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.

Doesn't the loser of the case pays for the court cost.????

When the Orams won a half victory in the British courts first time around, the court then awarded Mrs Blair over £900,000 Pounds court costs to be paid by Mr Apostolides. Well, since that ruling has been over ruled by the ECJ, it is the Orams who are the losers, therefore, it will be they who will have pay, won't they?. Is there a British lawyer in the house.?

The judge decides who pays the costs - it's not always the loser, sometimes each side has to bear their own costs.

There was someone on this forum with quite good legal knowledge but he was seen off by the racists last week.

"Story Update on 9 September 2006

Mr Justice Jacks ruled in favour of Mr & Mrs Orams after the hearing in London during July 2006. The judgment was issued on 6 September 2006 and rules that the adverse judgment made by a Greek Republic of Cyprus Court could not be enforced in the UK. This means that there is no blemish on the Orams' character in the UK and that their home in Hove, near Brighton, is safe. It also sets a most important precedent for other UK owners or prospective owners of North Cyprus property.

The applicant, Mr Meletios Apostolides, was granted permission to appeal.

Mr Apostolides was ordered to pay 75% of the Orams' costs, which are in the region of £863,000, with an interim payment of £150,000."

http://www.wellestates.com/north_cyprus_orams.htm

The question is; will a reversal of the judgment mean that costs award is reversed too? Who knows?

[Viewpoint]

"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.

Doesn't the loser of the case pays for the court cost.????

When the Orams won a half victory in the British courts first time around, the court then awarded Mrs Blair over £900,000 Pounds court costs to be paid by Mr Apostolides. Well, since that ruling has been over ruled by the ECJ, it is the Orams who are the losers, therefore, it will be they who will have pay, won't they?. Is there a British lawyer in the house.?

has the British courts verdict been declared? last time I heard it was going to be October 09? or are you still making things up as you go along?

[Kikapu]

"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.

Doesn't the loser of the case pays for the court cost.????

When the Orams won a half victory in the British courts first time around, the court then awarded Mrs Blair over £900,000 Pounds court costs to be paid by Mr Apostolides. Well, since that ruling has been over ruled by the ECJ, it is the Orams who are the losers, therefore, it will be they who will have pay, won't they?. Is there a British lawyer in the house.?

has the British courts verdict been declared? last time I heard it was going to be October 09? or are you still making things up as you go along?

Keep your knickers on, VP. I'm only asking questions, hence a lot of these !!

[Viewpoint]

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

Sure the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land and also after the "trnc" for guaranteeing the sale of stolen property. The only problem they will face is, their case will not be heard in the north, no body will be convicted or made to pay any restitution to them in the north. As my old girlfriend would say "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck" and the Orams have just found out, that they have been royally fucked by their friends and the sad part is, they didn't even get to enjoy it.! As far as the Orams having any claim in the south belonging to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land is just a romantic dream of fools, but let them go to the south and make their claim in the RoC courts and watch them get fucked again, but this time by strangers and not by friends.!

You yourself admit the TC has the right to his land in the south, so indirectly the Orams have a claim as well. How they go about this and who fucks who is neither here nor there the Orams can potentially sell land in the south and probably make a pretty penny as well. Whatever the outcome people will be suing one another left right and center and lawyers will be getting even richer.....good thing my child is studying law. If the "RoC" decides to counter sue the TC or not take seriously his claim then they will go to the ECHR things are going to get pretty heated around here the "RoC" will be sued left right and centre hving to defend itself from and onslaught of TC claimants.

PS are you sexually perverted you seem to enjoy linking everything to sex?

[Viewpoint]

Quote ... the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land ...

Just curious, could the Orams sue the TC who "sold" them the land through the ROC courts? Or through the British courts for that matter?

Yes they can.

[Viewpoint]

"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.

Doesn't the loser of the case pays for the court cost.????

When the Orams won a half victory in the British courts first time around, the court then awarded Mrs Blair over £900,000 Pounds court costs to be paid by Mr Apostolides. Well, since that ruling has been over ruled by the ECJ, it is the Orams who are the losers, therefore, it will be they who will have pay, won't they?. Is there a British lawyer in the house.?

has the British courts verdict been declared? last time I heard it was going to be October 09? or are you still making things up as you go along?

Keep your knickers on, VP. I'm only asking questions, hence a lot of these !!

You made a statement that the Orams had lost, to decide this we need a verdict by the British courts.

[Jerry]

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

Sure the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land and also after the "trnc" for guaranteeing the sale of stolen property. The only problem they will face is, their case will not be heard in the north, no body will be convicted or made to pay any restitution to them in the north. As my old girlfriend would say "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck" and the Orams have just found out, that they have been royally fucked by their friends and the sad part is, they didn't even get to enjoy it.! As far as the Orams having any claim in the south belonging to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land is just a romantic dream of fools, but let them go to the south and make their claim in the RoC courts and watch them get fucked again, but this time by strangers and not by friends.!

You yourself admit the TC has the right to his land in the south, so indirectly the Orams have a claim as well. How they go about this and who fucks who is neither here nor there the Orams can potentially sell land in the south and probably make a pretty penny as well. Whatever the outcome people will be suing one another left right and center and lawyers will be getting even richer.....good thing my child is studying law. If the "RoC" decides to counter sue the TC or not take seriously his claim then they will go to the ECHR things are going to get pretty heated around here the "RoC" will be sued left right and centre hving to defend itself from and onslaught of TC claimants.

PS are you sexually perverted you seem to enjoy linking everything to sex?

No VP. The Orams cannot sell the TCs land in the south until they legally acquire it. So first of all they have to sue in the "trnc" because the ROC does not recognise "exchange" land. If Orams win against the TC they will have to seek enforcement . Somehow I can't see a Judge in the ROC accepting a judgment from a legal system that he does not recognise.

The Orams have no chance of initiating proceedings in the ROC, Mrs O, if I recall, said on TV something to the effect that she knew there was a risk, she would get laughed out of Court in the south. There is a fundamental rule in the law of contract "Caveat Emptor", let the buyer beware. Perhaps you should join your child at law school and, if they have one, take some classes in common sense.

[Kikapu]

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

Sure the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land and also after the "trnc" for guaranteeing the sale of stolen property. The only problem they will face is, their case will not be heard in the north, no body will be convicted or made to pay any restitution to them in the north. As my old girlfriend would say "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck" and the Orams have just found out, that they have been royally fucked by their friends and the sad part is, they didn't even get to enjoy it.! As far as the Orams having any claim in the south belonging to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land is just a romantic dream of fools, but let them go to the south and make their claim in the RoC courts and watch them get fucked again, but this time by strangers and not by friends.!

You yourself admit the TC has the right to his land in the south, so indirectly the Orams have a claim as well. How they go about this and who fucks who is neither here nor there the Orams can potentially sell land in the south and probably make a pretty penny as well. Whatever the outcome people will be suing one another left right and center and lawyers will be getting even richer.....good thing my child is studying law. If the "RoC" decides to counter sue the TC or not take seriously his claim then they will go to the ECHR things are going to get pretty heated around here the "RoC" will be sued left right and centre hving to defend itself from and onslaught of TC claimants.

PS are you sexually perverted you seem to enjoy linking everything to sex?

Why, you got something against sex:???

From the beginning of time the 3 most important aspects of life has been Air, Food and Sex.!!

It has been proven by millions of years to be a very successful combination, or else we would not be here today..!

I also like Food.!

Air is OK too, but without food and sex, what good is air.?

I'm tired beating a dead horse with you over the Orams and their supposed TC land claim in the south.

Answer this one simple question for me. Do the Orams have land in the south under their own names...Yes or No.??

If yes, they can do what ever they want with it.

If NO, then whose land are they going to take without a deed.?

The TC who sold the Orams stolen GC land has his deeds (if he had any and if so, that it was in his name and not one part from a family deed to be shared by all the family, which means that the TC land in the south belongs to all the family of the TC and not just one person, which will need all the family's consent by going through a probate in RoC courts, which also means, that other family members will lose their GC land in the north given to them as an "exchange" by the "trnc"), so is the "trnc" going to give the TC's land deeds to the Orams to claim land in the south. But the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams have committed a crime in doing so and the Orams bought stolen property, which is also a crime, so what makes you think that the Orams and the TC who sold them stolen GC property will be well received in the RoC courts. It is likely that they will all be sent to jail.

[Jerry]

Kikapu, you can do lots of illegal things with/to someones land but you can't actually steal it, in English law anyway. In the main it's a civil matter not a criminal one but I'm not sure what the ROC laws regarding the "sale" of land in the north are.

[denizaksulu]

They did not rule. They had no power at all.

Who?

The peasants ofcourse. The power those days lay in the hands of the Empire builders. Hopefully those days are over.