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Postby Oracle » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:23 pm

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umit07 wrote:At the time the Russians had occupied the towns of Kars, Ardahan and Batum, they were very close to reaching the Mediterranean. In 1878 the British offered to waive some of the ottomans debts in return for the control of Cyprus, some people like to call this a "lease". Some of the terms of the deal were that Ottoman Law be still applied and that the island would be returned in the case of a Russian retreat from the towns named above. In 1914 with the Ottomans entering WW1 against the allies, the British used this opportunity to annex Cyprus.



There are no Greek Cypriots who do not know all this Umit. They just like to play games with us.


So, you illegally pawned us off then exactly as you are illegally pawning us off now.

History repeating itself ...



Are you suggesting te Otto's give Cyprus back to the Venetians, they in turn to the Lusignsns , The Knights Templars and back to Cour de Lion? A full cycle. Wow.!!!


You still don't get it do you! :roll:

It was never the Ottomans' to give to anyone ... including those you list above.

There were thousands of established natives already in Cyprus. Only they have any claim.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:33 pm

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The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.


So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???


Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?


Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!


That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.


Sure the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land and also after the "trnc" for guaranteeing the sale of stolen property. The only problem they will face is, their case will not be heard in the north, no body will be convicted or made to pay any restitution to them in the north. As my old girlfriend would say "if you can't fuck a friend, who can you fuck" and the Orams have just found out, that they have been royally fucked by their friends and the sad part is, they didn't even get to enjoy it.! As far as the Orams having any claim in the south belonging to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land is just a romantic dream of fools, but let them go to the south and make their claim in the RoC courts and watch them get fucked again, but this time by strangers and not by friends.!
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Postby Hatter » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:18 pm

Quote ... the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land ...

Just curious, could the Orams sue the TC who "sold" them the land through the ROC courts? Or through the British courts for that matter?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:20 pm

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umit07 wrote:At the time the Russians had occupied the towns of Kars, Ardahan and Batum, they were very close to reaching the Mediterranean. In 1878 the British offered to waive some of the ottomans debts in return for the control of Cyprus, some people like to call this a "lease". Some of the terms of the deal were that Ottoman Law be still applied and that the island would be returned in the case of a Russian retreat from the towns named above. In 1914 with the Ottomans entering WW1 against the allies, the British used this opportunity to annex Cyprus.



There are no Greek Cypriots who do not know all this Umit. They just like to play games with us.


So, you illegally pawned us off then exactly as you are illegally pawning us off now.

History repeating itself ...



Are you suggesting te Otto's give Cyprus back to the Venetians, they in turn to the Lusignsns , The Knights Templars and back to Cour de Lion? A full cycle. Wow.!!!


You still don't get it do you! :roll:

It was never the Ottomans' to give to anyone ... including those you list above.

There were thousands of established natives already in Cyprus. Only they have any claim.



They did not rule. They had no power at all. YOU dont get it doyou?

Actally yo do, but enjoy playing cat and mouse. :lol: Meeow :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:51 pm

denizaksulu wrote:They did not rule. They had no power at all.


Who?
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:57 pm

Hatter wrote: Quote ... the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land ...

Just curious, could the Orams sue the TC who "sold" them the land through the ROC courts? Or through the British courts for that matter?


Interesting speculating about their options when they stand to lose everything by trusting to the seller and the "trnc" state ... who by the way, offered them guarantees as to the soundness of their investment.

Since this doesn't seem to have had much mention from those quarters ... I wonder if the seller wasn't indeed a Settler, or a TC who has no property in the south ... Not everyone owned land and property pre-1974.
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Postby Hatter » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:08 pm

Oracle wrote:
Hatter wrote: Quote ... the Orams can go after the TC who sold them the stolen GC land ...

Just curious, could the Orams sue the TC who "sold" them the land through the ROC courts? Or through the British courts for that matter?


Interesting speculating about their options when they stand to lose everything by trusting to the seller and the "trnc" state ... who by the way, offered them guarantees as to the soundness of their investment.

Since this doesn't seem to have had much mention from those quarters ... I wonder if the seller wasn't indeed a Settler, or a TC who has no property in the south ... Not everyone owned land and property pre-1974.


If the Orams pursue a claim (based on the so called guarantee) against the person who "sold" them the land, it would expose the whole corrupt sorry mess for what it is.
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Postby Jerry » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:11 pm

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YFred wrote:"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.


Doesn't the loser of the case pays for the court cost.????

When the Orams won a half victory in the British courts first time around, the court then awarded Mrs Blair over £900,000 Pounds court costs to be paid by Mr Apostolides. Well, since that ruling has been over ruled by the ECJ, it is the Orams who are the losers, therefore, it will be they who will have pay, won't they?. Is there a British lawyer in the house.?


The judge decides who pays the costs - it's not always the loser, sometimes each side has to bear their own costs.

There was someone on this forum with quite good legal knowledge but he was seen off by the racists last week.
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:47 pm

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YFred wrote:"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.


Doesn't the loser of the case pays for the court cost.????

When the Orams won a half victory in the British courts first time around, the court then awarded Mrs Blair over £900,000 Pounds court costs to be paid by Mr Apostolides. Well, since that ruling has been over ruled by the ECJ, it is the Orams who are the losers, therefore, it will be they who will have pay, won't they?. Is there a British lawyer in the house.?


The judge decides who pays the costs - it's not always the loser, sometimes each side has to bear their own costs.

There was someone on this forum with quite good legal knowledge but he was seen off by the racists last week.


"Story Update on 9 September 2006

Mr Justice Jacks ruled in favour of Mr & Mrs Orams after the hearing in London during July 2006. The judgment was issued on 6 September 2006 and rules that the adverse judgment made by a Greek Republic of Cyprus Court could not be enforced in the UK. This means that there is no blemish on the Orams' character in the UK and that their home in Hove, near Brighton, is safe. It also sets a most important precedent for other UK owners or prospective owners of North Cyprus property.

The applicant, Mr Meletios Apostolides, was granted permission to appeal.

Mr Apostolides was ordered to pay 75% of the Orams' costs, which are in the region of £863,000, with an interim payment of £150,000."


http://www.wellestates.com/north_cyprus_orams.htm
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:14 pm

Get Real! wrote:Hey VP... your eyes have gone all funny again! :lol:

Is it a full moon? :?


No GR the more we debate I understand that we will never unite the more I fall in love with the TRNC and can only see one future for me , viva the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
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