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[Oracle]

At the time the Russians had occupied the towns of Kars, Ardahan and Batum, they were very close to reaching the Mediterranean. In 1878 the British offered to waive some of the ottomans debts in return for the control of Cyprus, some people like to call this a "lease". Some of the terms of the deal were that Ottoman Law be still applied and that the island would be returned in the case of a Russian retreat from the towns named above. In 1914 with the Ottomans entering WW1 against the allies, the British used this opportunity to annex Cyprus.

There are no Greek Cypriots who do not know all this Umit. They just like to play games with us.

So, you illegally pawned us off then exactly as you are illegally pawning us off now.

History repeating itself ...

[umit07]

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So, you illegally pawned us off then exactly as you are illegally pawning us off now.

History repeating itself ...[/quote]

WTF?

Whatever you say mam .

[wyoming cowboy]

The Tc have just as much right to their land in FreeCyprus as the GC have in occuppied Cyprus, i hope that answered your question

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

[YFred]

The Tc have just as much right to their land in FreeCyprus as the GC have in occuppied Cyprus, i hope that answered your question

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

Did anybody spot the last few words of the GC lawyer when he concluded that the Orams knew what they were doing and must face the consequences, may be?
Does that give any hints as to the final outcome of this case after he has made more than a million pounds out of the RoC?

[Oracle]

The Tc have just as much right to their land in FreeCyprus as the GC have in occuppied Cyprus, i hope that answered your question

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

Did anybody spot the last few words of the GC lawyer when he concluded that the Orams knew what they were doing and must face the consequences, may be?
Does that give any hints as to the final outcome of this case after he has made more than a million pounds out of the RoC?

How do you know how much he has earned and who has paid him, forum gossip?

And yes, the Orams woman admitted she knew what she was doing (not that ignorance would have saved her). As to what consequences face the Orams, the 'maybe' is entirely in Mr Apostolides' court as to what he decides he wants out of this.

[YFred]

The Tc have just as much right to their land in FreeCyprus as the GC have in occuppied Cyprus, i hope that answered your question

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

Did anybody spot the last few words of the GC lawyer when he concluded that the Orams knew what they were doing and must face the consequences, may be?
Does that give any hints as to the final outcome of this case after he has made more than a million pounds out of the RoC?

How do you know how much he has earned and who has paid him, forum gossip?

And yes, the Orams woman admitted she knew what she was doing (not that ignorance would have saved her). As to what consequences face the Orams, the 'maybe' is entirely in Mr Apostolides' court as to what he decides he wants out of this.

"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.

[denizaksulu]

At the time the Russians had occupied the towns of Kars, Ardahan and Batum, they were very close to reaching the Mediterranean. In 1878 the British offered to waive some of the ottomans debts in return for the control of Cyprus, some people like to call this a "lease". Some of the terms of the deal were that Ottoman Law be still applied and that the island would be returned in the case of a Russian retreat from the towns named above. In 1914 with the Ottomans entering WW1 against the allies, the British used this opportunity to annex Cyprus.

There are no Greek Cypriots who do not know all this Umit. They just like to play games with us.

So, you illegally pawned us off then exactly as you are illegally pawning us off now.

History repeating itself ...

Are you suggesting te Otto's give Cyprus back to the Venetians, they in turn to the Lusignsns , The Knights Templars and back to Cour de Lion? A full cycle. Wow.!!!

[Oracle]

The Tc have just as much right to their land in FreeCyprus as the GC have in occuppied Cyprus, i hope that answered your question

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.

Did anybody spot the last few words of the GC lawyer when he concluded that the Orams knew what they were doing and must face the consequences, may be?
Does that give any hints as to the final outcome of this case after he has made more than a million pounds out of the RoC?

How do you know how much he has earned and who has paid him, forum gossip?

And yes, the Orams woman admitted she knew what she was doing (not that ignorance would have saved her). As to what consequences face the Orams, the 'maybe' is entirely in Mr Apostolides' court as to what he decides he wants out of this.

"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.

The only fool is you, with everything you say, and everything you do!

[Get Real!]

Hey VP... your eyes have gone all funny again!

Is it a full moon?

[Kikapu]

"Maybe" suggests it is out of his control. If it was within his control, there is no maybe about it. He would go for the throat.
As to who is paying for this? not gossip at all. Only a fool would spend a million pound in court for a property worth less than 100000 with a risk of not getting a cent back. Mr Apstolides is no fool; hence that leaves only the RoC.

Doesn't the loser of the case pays for the court cost.????

When the Orams won a half victory in the British courts first time around, the court then awarded Mrs Blair over £900,000 Pounds court costs to be paid by Mr Apostolides. Well, since that ruling has been over ruled by the ECJ, it is the Orams who are the losers, therefore, it will be they who will have pay, won't they?. Is there a British lawyer in the house.?