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[ahristos]

ONCE SULTAN SOLD CYPRUS TO BRITISH IN 1878
AND THEY??? SET THAT FOR TO PRODECT ISLAND FROM RUSSIANS
WASH NESECITY HA HA ..
ALSO RUSSIANS SOLD
ALASCA TO USA???FROM FIER OF BRITTISH ???
AT THIS TIME BUYERS HAVE BUY POPULATIONS FOR LITLE MONEY
SO SULTAN HAD CHRONICAL MONEY HUNGRY
SO OSMANS SOLD EVEN THEM BROTHERS BECAUSE SULTAN HAS RUN OUT OF MONEY

[Get Real!]

ONCE SULTAN SOLD CYPRUS TO BRITISH IN 1878
AND THEY??? SET THAT FOR TO PRODECT ISLAND FROM RUSSIANS
WASH NESECITY HA HA ..
ALSO RUSSIANS SOLD
ALASCA TO USA???FROM FIER OF BRITTISH ???
AT THIS TIME BUYERS HAVE BUY POPULATIONS FOR LITLE MONEY
SO SULTAN HAD CHRONICAL MONEY HUNGRY
SO OSMANS SOLD EVEN THEM BROTHERS BECAUSE SULTAN HAS RUN OUT OF MONEY

Which other languages do you speak?

[denizaksulu]

ONCE SULTAN SOLD CYPRUS TO BRITISH IN 1878
AND THEY??? SET THAT FOR TO PRODECT ISLAND FROM RUSSIANS
WASH NESECITY HA HA ..
ALSO RUSSIANS SOLD
ALASCA TO USA???FROM FIER OF BRITTISH ???
AT THIS TIME BUYERS HAVE BUY POPULATIONS FOR LITLE MONEY
SO SULTAN HAD CHRONICAL MONEY HUNGRY
SO OSMANS SOLD EVEN THEM BROTHERS BECAUSE SULTAN HAS RUN OUT OF MONEY

Cyprus was 'leased' the the Britsh in 1878 to use as a base against Russian expansionism. When the danger was over, Cyprus was to be returned to Ottoman Administration. The British in their cunning way eventually annexed Cyprus and made it a 'Crown Colony'.(or somethinglike that. ) For further details check the forum or other web sites.

[Oracle]

ONCE SULTAN SOLD CYPRUS TO BRITISH IN 1878
AND THEY??? SET THAT FOR TO PRODECT ISLAND FROM RUSSIANS
WASH NESECITY HA HA ..
ALSO RUSSIANS SOLD
ALASCA TO USA???FROM FIER OF BRITTISH ???
AT THIS TIME BUYERS HAVE BUY POPULATIONS FOR LITLE MONEY
SO SULTAN HAD CHRONICAL MONEY HUNGRY
SO OSMANS SOLD EVEN THEM BROTHERS BECAUSE SULTAN HAS RUN OUT OF MONEY

Cyprus was 'leased' the the Britsh in 1878 to use as a base against Russian expansionism. When the danger was over, Cyprus was to be returned to Ottoman Administration. The British in their cunning way eventually annexed Cyprus and made it a 'Crown Colony'.(or somethinglike that. ) For further details check the forum or other web sites.

Cyprus was not a possession of the Ottomans to be leased or sold ... nor was it that of the Brits, who eventually had the decency to recognise that, and relinquish control (albeit it reluctantly and not wholeheartedly).

Or, do you now propose, Deniz, that Cyprus rightfully belongs to some archaic Ottomans who were fleeced by the Brits?

[Jerry]

ONCE SULTAN SOLD CYPRUS TO BRITISH IN 1878
AND THEY??? SET THAT FOR TO PRODECT ISLAND FROM RUSSIANS
WASH NESECITY HA HA ..
ALSO RUSSIANS SOLD
ALASCA TO USA???FROM FIER OF BRITTISH ???
AT THIS TIME BUYERS HAVE BUY POPULATIONS FOR LITLE MONEY
SO SULTAN HAD CHRONICAL MONEY HUNGRY
SO OSMANS SOLD EVEN THEM BROTHERS BECAUSE SULTAN HAS RUN OUT OF MONEY

Cyprus was 'leased' the the Britsh in 1878 to use as a base against Russian expansionism. When the danger was over, Cyprus was to be returned to Ottoman Administration. The British in their cunning way eventually annexed Cyprus and made it a 'Crown Colony'.(or somethinglike that. ) For further details check the forum or other web sites.

I think WW1 had a lot to do with it as well Deniz. The Ottomans lost most of their Empire during that time and the Brits thought "we'll hang on to Cyprus". There was no Ottoman Empire to hand it back to I suppose. Interestingly at that time TCs were told they had a choice of becoming "British" or going "back" to Turkey. Many chose to leave but I don't know what the figures were. My father, who was born in 1913, was legally a Turkish subject as I suppose were all GCs. He became British but I'm not sure what the procedure was.

[denizaksulu]

ONCE SULTAN SOLD CYPRUS TO BRITISH IN 1878
AND THEY??? SET THAT FOR TO PRODECT ISLAND FROM RUSSIANS
WASH NESECITY HA HA ..
ALSO RUSSIANS SOLD
ALASCA TO USA???FROM FIER OF BRITTISH ???
AT THIS TIME BUYERS HAVE BUY POPULATIONS FOR LITLE MONEY
SO SULTAN HAD CHRONICAL MONEY HUNGRY
SO OSMANS SOLD EVEN THEM BROTHERS BECAUSE SULTAN HAS RUN OUT OF MONEY

Cyprus was 'leased' the the Britsh in 1878 to use as a base against Russian expansionism. When the danger was over, Cyprus was to be returned to Ottoman Administration. The British in their cunning way eventually annexed Cyprus and made it a 'Crown Colony'.(or somethinglike that. ) For further details check the forum or other web sites.

I think WW1 had a lot to do with it as well Deniz. The Ottomans lost most of their Empire during that time and the Brits thought "we'll hang on to Cyprus". There was no Ottoman Empire to hand it back to I suppose. Interestingly at that time TCs were told they had a choice of becoming "British" or going "back" to Turkey. Many chose to leave but I don't know what the figures were. My father, who was born in 1913, was legally a Turkish subject as I suppose were all GCs. He became British but I'm not sure what the procedure was.

Ofcourse, Enver Pasha and his Triumvirate had a lot to do with it. The Brits had the excuse, Jst like Turkey did in 1974.

Above I was only correcting Ahristos.

[denizaksulu]

ONCE SULTAN SOLD CYPRUS TO BRITISH IN 1878
AND THEY??? SET THAT FOR TO PRODECT ISLAND FROM RUSSIANS
WASH NESECITY HA HA ..
ALSO RUSSIANS SOLD
ALASCA TO USA???FROM FIER OF BRITTISH ???
AT THIS TIME BUYERS HAVE BUY POPULATIONS FOR LITLE MONEY
SO SULTAN HAD CHRONICAL MONEY HUNGRY
SO OSMANS SOLD EVEN THEM BROTHERS BECAUSE SULTAN HAS RUN OUT OF MONEY

Cyprus was 'leased' the the Britsh in 1878 to use as a base against Russian expansionism. When the danger was over, Cyprus was to be returned to Ottoman Administration. The British in their cunning way eventually annexed Cyprus and made it a 'Crown Colony'.(or somethinglike that. ) For further details check the forum or other web sites.

Cyprus was not a possession of the Ottomans to be leased or sold ... nor was it that of the Brits, who eventually had the decency to recognise that, and relinquish control (albeit it reluctantly and not wholeheartedly).

Or, do you now propose, Deniz, that Cyprus rightfully belongs to some archaic Ottomans who were fleeced by the Brits?

You are in an amusing mood today Oracle.

Ha ha hahaaaaaaaaaa!! Is this the joke section?

Seriously though, Cyprus belongs to the Cypriots of today - Greek Cyps and Turkish Cyps and all our Armenians and Maronites plus all who are legally there.

[umit07]

At the time the Russians had occupied the towns of Kars, Ardahan and Batum, they were very close to reaching the Mediterranean. In 1878 the British offered to waive some of the ottomans debts in return for the control of Cyprus, some people like to call this a "lease". Some of the terms of the deal were that Ottoman Law be still applied and that the island would be returned in the case of a Russian retreat from the towns named above. In 1914 with the Ottomans entering WW1 against the allies, the British used this opportunity to annex Cyprus.

[denizaksulu]

At the time the Russians had occupied the towns of Kars, Ardahan and Batum, they were very close to reaching the Mediterranean. In 1878 the British offered to waive some of the ottomans debts in return for the control of Cyprus, some people like to call this a "lease". Some of the terms of the deal were that Ottoman Law be still applied and that the island would be returned in the case of a Russian retreat from the towns named above. In 1914 with the Ottomans entering WW1 against the allies, the British used this opportunity to annex Cyprus.

There are no Greek Cypriots who do not know all this Umit. They just like to play games with us.

[Viewpoint]

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

So what does that have to do with the Orams, assuming the arrangement between the TC who sold the GC land and giving the rights to his land in the south to the "trnc", which is not even legal or recognised by the RoC. As far as the RoC is concerned, the TC who sold the GC land to the Orams is still the legal owner of his land in the south. We will not talk about the crimes he had committed according to the RoC laws by selling GC's property in the north, but that is a topic for another day. In short, the Orams are not entitled to anything other than all the punishment they are going through right now and more in the future if they do not obey the courts orders, and the same will be in store for all those in similar situation. But the Orams are welcome to go the land registry in the RoC and demand the land that belongs to the TC who sold them the GC land. But wait a minute, VP, did you just not tell us that that TC land in the south now belongs to the “trnc”, so really, the Orams should be asking the TC land in the south from the “trnc”. Now, that I would really like to see the reaction of the “trnc”. I think all of a sudden, the Orams will no longer be welcomed in the “trnc”. What do you think.???

Lets stop beating around the bush does the TC have a right to his land in the south? which in reality means indirectly the Orams?

Of course the TC have a right to their own land in the south and the ECJ ruling has established that, but I still don't get what this has anything to do with the Orams, since they have Zero rights in buying stolen GC land in the north or claiming any TC land in the south that may belong to the TC who sold them the stolen GC land in the north. The only rights the Orams would have had, would have been if they had bought any land from their legal owners with deeds issues before 1974. Case closed.!

That's where you are so wrong yet again due to your short sightedness, the Orams do not only have a claim against the TC who sold the the land but also the TRNC for providing the deeds which they to today still say they guarantee and in turn the "RoC" for the land in the south which by you own admission is the right of the TC owner which in turn he has agreed to give the rights to the Orams, so in reality not your text book world this case and many others are far from concluded.