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[Get Real!]

I ate like a pig at Nandos while watching the match, and now my tummy’s hurting from that and the laughter…

[Oracle]

The Orams and the TC that sold them the land will sue the "RoC".

Let us know when so we can get the popcorn...

The first issue to be challanged will be the 6 months clause as discrimination between GC and TC.....hopefully this will open the way to reclaiming their properties in the south and doing what they wish with them.

I hope your TC friend is a very wealthy man because the Orams are by now bankrupt, the "TRNC" is bankrupt, and the RoC has a projected 2008/09 profit of 27 billion!

No worries ther eisalways money for these cases as was the financing of Apolsisites.

It will be cheaper for Turkey to compensate the Orams ...

... and then all the rest of the Brits

[denizaksulu]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

Originally that was true VP. Unfortunately things gotout of hand. The Turkish refugees having settled in these properties have later sold them on and still claimed successfully their lands in the south as well. Tell me that these 'double dippers' are not criminals.

Deniz what the GCs are claiming is the GCs have the right to their land in the north bur TCs do not have the right to their land in the soutn until a solution is found, you have to realize these people will disctiminate twist and use every possible avenue to their benefit...dont be so naive. I am tallking about TCs not settlers everyone in the TRNC was warned about buying or developing land bought from settlers.

Sorry VP, I was commenting on what you said about 'esdeger' and 'double dippers'. What you mention above is a different matter.

[Get Real!]

The Orams and the TC that sold them the land will sue the "RoC".

Let us know when so we can get the popcorn...

The first issue to be challanged will be the 6 months clause as discrimination between GC and TC.....hopefully this will open the way to reclaiming their properties in the south and doing what they wish with them.

I hope your TC friend is a very wealthy man because the Orams are by now bankrupt, the "TRNC" is bankrupt, and the RoC has a projected 2008/09 profit of 27 billion!

No worries ther eisalways money for these cases as was the financing of Apolsisites.

It will be cheaper for Turkey to compensate the Orams ...

... and then all the rest of the Brits

Now it's our turn to say to this guy... God help him!

[Viewpoint]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

Originally that was true VP. Unfortunately things gotout of hand. The Turkish refugees having settled in these properties have later sold them on and still claimed successfully their lands in the south as well. Tell me that these 'double dippers' are not criminals.

Deniz what the GCs are claiming is the GCs have the right to their land in the north bur TCs do not have the right to their land in the soutn until a solution is found, you have to realize these people will disctiminate twist and use every possible avenue to their benefit...dont be so naive. I am tallking about TCs not settlers everyone in the TRNC was warned about buying or developing land bought from settlers.

Sorry VP, I was commenting on what you said about 'esdeger' and 'double dippers'. What you mention above is a different matter.

Deniz tahsis koçan means land without equivelant in the south which is what the settlers and people who were given gifts have. Eşdeğer means something has been surrendered in the south which is what most TCs have.

[RichardB]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

VP

I am sure this has been discussed before but please bear with me

The TC gave his legally owned land to the 'trnc' in exchange for a GCs land in the north.

Did the trnc ask permission from the GC to 'exchange his land'

Now I assume the 'trnc are going to give this land to the GC on a settlement

I understand it so far

But what land were the settlers given? was that TC land as well?

And from what I understand certain others were given land for services rendered to the pseudo government ( the military etc)

Was this also GC land

I am asking these questions because the figures dont seem to add up

In 1974 the GCs owned 60% (1,463,382 donums) of the land in the north and TCs owned 10%(413,177 donums) of land in the south

So can I assume that only 413177 donums of GC land in the north has been given to TC refugees

What of the remaining 1,050,000 donums of GC land in the north what has happened to that ?

[Get Real!]

Deniz tahsis koçan means land with equivelant in the south. Eşdeğer means something has been surrendered in the south.

And here I was all along thinking that both these words meant the back of a lorry!

[Oracle]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

Originally that was true VP. Unfortunately things gotout of hand. The Turkish refugees having settled in these properties have later sold them on and still claimed successfully their lands in the south as well. Tell me that these 'double dippers' are not criminals.

Deniz what the GCs are claiming is the GCs have the right to their land in the north bur TCs do not have the right to their land in the soutn until a solution is found, you have to realize these people will disctiminate twist and use every possible avenue to their benefit...dont be so naive. I am tallking about TCs not settlers everyone in the TRNC was warned about buying or developing land bought from settlers.

Sorry VP, I was commenting on what you said about 'esdeger' and 'double dippers'. What you mention above is a different matter.

Deniz tahsis koçan means land with equivelant in the south. Eşdeğer means something has been surrendered in the south.

Since when did Settlers own land in the southern part of Cyprus?

[Viewpoint]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

VP

I am sure this has been discussed before but please bear with me

The TC gave his legally owned land to the 'trnc' in exchange for a GCs land in the north.

Did the trnc ask permission from the GC to 'exchange his land'

Now I assume the 'trnc are going to give this land to the GC on a settlement

I understand it so far

But what land were the settlers given? was that TC land as well?

And from what I understand certain others were given land for services rendered to the pseudo government ( the military etc)

Was this also GC land

I am asking these questions because the figures dont seem to add up

In 1974 the GCs owned 60% (1,463,382 donums) of the land in the north and TCs owned 10%(413,177 donums) of land in the south

So can I assume that only 413177 donums of GC land in the north has been given to TC refugees

What of the remaining 1,050,000 donums of GC land in the north what has happened to that ?

You have to look at it from this angle after the TRNC was offically declared in 1983 GC land stopped exsisting and does to this day in TRNC law. All land that was not privately owned by TCs was the under the control of the TRNC who stated that anyone who want land can exchange theirs in the south for land in the north. The other land that was given as favors was done so by the TRNC so they have to be challenged as the GC do not recognize the TRNC then they have to challenge Turkey.

All this suing and counter suing will not resolve the matter it will just make it worse, even now views have hardened and everyone has dug their heels in deeper than ever before, a comprehensive solution is whats necessary. You mark my words no GC will get anything back.........unless a comprehensive solution is found.

[Jerry]

Thank you Tonight program......Your biased of the Cyprob will serve to unite the TC people even more......I will spend any spare time I have showing the TC people what sort of prejudice and propaganda we have to face. Although in 1974 the first to invade the island was Greek and not the Turks, nothing was said about that......I have access to top TC lawyers now as well....Legal action will be considered. Bloody corrupt crooks making programs.....

Zan, it sounds like the programme struck a nerve. I can't speak for others but I'm sure most would agree that the acquisition and illegal sale of anyone's land on the island should be condemned especially when it is done for political motives. You know very well that what the "trnc" has done is not legal, there is no such thing as exchange land.

The programme was about the stupid Brits who bought something they had no right to, it was not directly about the Cyprob and the complex history of Cyprus.

If you feel so strongly about the matter I suggest you ask your "Top TC lawyers" to persuade ITV to broadcast an honest programme about all the Turkish Cypriot land that the ROC has sold off cheap to Brits and others, good luck!

It did strike a nerve mate. You heard it right! What we are trying to do is survive under great POLITICAL pressure from the "RoC". Candudus (or what ever the govoloz his name is)made one big mistake, in his discussion with Bayramoglu, when he lost his temper with the host of the program and asked if he wanted to play the blame game, "I am much better at it than you" he exclaimed. Previous to this outburst he was saying that his was not a political involvement. He clearly has put all the blame on the TCs and that is what this case is all about So those, like The Cypriot, who say this is not political should think again. There are talks going on....Do they want us to listen or are they thinking they can force our hand....Bloody fools if they do. Candudus said that nothing will really change but blamed the Orams for their foolishness because if they didn't know the situation then they should have. Well Mr. Candudus......If you didn't know that your actions in the law courts would result in forcing the TC hand politically...then you should have known that it surely would....Pleading ignorance and condemning it at the same time did not go unnoticed.

If this program was not about the history of Cyprus then why mention the so called Turkish "Invasion"??

Zan, did it ever occur to you that had you not "sold" the GC properties in the first place this particular "political" issue would never have arisen. Both sides have issues with each other, this is just one of many. Sooner or later one side will "give", each will use whatever tactic it can to win. Unfortunately for you the law is on our side, you are caught between a ROC and a hard place, give up your futile and illegal antics now, accept a democratic and just solution before you are swallowed up and digested by Turkey.