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[Oracle]

This is where the Orams should claim compensation from ... Turkey and its illegal set-up!

Ferdi Soyer the prime minister of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus - which is recognised only by Turkey - gave a "state guarantee" that their ownership could not be successfully challenged.

On a visit to London, Mr Soyer said: "There is no chance that they will lose their property.

The British people who buy a house or who want to take land in north Cyprus do not be afraid: everything is under our state guarantee".

March 2006

[Kikapu]

... If this program was not about the history of Cyprus then why mention the so called Turkish "Invasion"??

Mike Nicholson (the reporter) only mentioned the Turkish Invasion with reference to the fact that was the last time he was in Cyprus, reporting the news ... He was the one on the video which Piratis usually posts of the reporter in front of the Turkish parachutists (may they rot in hell!).

I did not see the program yet (any way to see it on the net?) but it was important to lay the foundation as to how these GC properties in the north became vacant, why the occupants were not able to return, why and how the GC properties were given away to the TC's and so on. Without some information from the past, the viewer would be left with many open question as to the root of the Orams case.!

[Oracle]

... If this program was not about the history of Cyprus then why mention the so called Turkish "Invasion"??

Mike Nicholson (the reporter) only mentioned the Turkish Invasion with reference to the fact that was the last time he was in Cyprus, reporting the news ... He was the one on the video which Piratis usually posts of the reporter in front of the Turkish parachutists (may they rot in hell!).

I did not see the program yet (any way to see it on the net?) but it was important to lay the foundation as to how these GC properties in the north became vacant, why the occupants were not able to return, why and how the GC properties were given away to the TC's and so on. Without some information from the past, the viewer would be left with many open question as to the root of the Orams case.!

They were very good at not getting side-tracked with the politics and the Turkish Invasion was mentioned very much in context, because it was the reason this problem has now surfaced ... If they'd mentioned the Greek coup or the 1963 events or whatever Zan seems to think was missing ... it would have been irrelevant to the present scenario.

Here is the flyer for the programme, but I am having trouble locating their actual video ... maybe try itv.com and hunt around


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Tonight

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Friday, 5 June 2009, 8:00PM - 8:30PM
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Tonight home page. The judgment backed the efforts of a Greek Cypriot architect to reclaim land his family abandoned when the island was partitioned in 1974, and on which a British couple have since built a holiday house.

Many Greek Cypriots are determined to get land back that they originally lived on at one time. But much of this land has since been sold by Turkish Cypriots who believed that this land was rightfully theirs to sell. Much of this disputed land has been sold to Britons hoping to build a better life for themselves in the sun.

In 2005, Tonight interviewed the British couple at the centre of this battle, David and Linda Orams, who invested £170,000 in a property in Lapta in the hope of having a peaceful retirement in the sun. At the time they weren’t prepared for the political storm they would soon find themselves embroiled in.

Two years after they finished building their dream house, together with a swimming pool and lemon grove, the Orams received an unwelcome visit. Meletis Apostolides turned up at their new house to say that the land belonged to him and his Greek Cypriot family who were forced to flee in 1974, with only the clothes on their backs. The Orams have since been fighting a court battle over the property with their case being seen as a potential test case for future claims.

This month, the European Court of Justice supported Mr Apostolides’ right to claim for land he believes belongs to him. If upheld at the British Court of Appeal, the Orams could face their home being demolished or even their property back in the UK being seized as compensation. The final judgement is expected in October.

This week’s programme revisits the Orams and finds out what this means for other British couples now facing their own Mediterranean nightmare.


Last edited: Wednesday, 20 May 2009

[RichardB]

http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Video/defa ... lter=43024

Try this one not sure if it is accessable from outside UK

[Kikapu]

http://www.itv.com/ITVPlayer/Video/default.html?ViewType=5&Filter=43024

Try this one not sure if it is accessable from outside UK

Thanks RichardB, but it does not work in Switzerland. It may only work in the UK actually.!

But a family member in the UK did record it for me, and if I can't find it on the net soon, I'll have it sent over.

[Viewpoint]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

The TC in order to get the land in the TRNC on which the Orams built had to surrender land in the south to the TRNC and forgoe all rights to it...now do you get it...who knows that land maybe worth millions.

[Viewpoint]

They can now go claim land in the south which maybe more valuable than the building itself which if the case they can then knock down the villa while Mr Apolosilities looks on.....and sees his flat piece of land just as it was in 1974. The Orams maybe quids in if the land in the south is valuable.

Your narrating skills have to be appreciated by any kind of pop-up book publisher. You should really look into that kind of career and see what they have to offer you. A creative mind is a terrible thing to waste VP.

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Or maybe the Orams have to sue Turkey in the end for pointing out the RoC to pay for everything. Considering that Turkey is almost bankrupt with no IMF loan coming, I'm sure the Orams will accept motherland Turkish property instead of nothing at all.

The Orams and the TC that sold them the land will sue the "RoC".

[Oracle]

They can now go claim land in the south which maybe more valuable than the building itself which if the case they can then knock down the villa while Mr Apolosilities looks on.....and sees his flat piece of land just as it was in 1974. The Orams maybe quids in if the land in the south is valuable.

Your narrating skills have to be appreciated by any kind of pop-up book publisher. You should really look into that kind of career and see what they have to offer you. A creative mind is a terrible thing to waste VP.

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Or maybe the Orams have to sue Turkey in the end for pointing out the RoC to pay for everything. Considering that Turkey is almost bankrupt with no IMF loan coming, I'm sure the Orams will accept motherland Turkish property instead of nothing at all.

The Orams and the TC that sold them the land will sue the "RoC".

The illegality which was carried out, had nothing to do with the RoC and everything to do with your leaders encouraging the "sales" ... The Orams will be suing you ASAP ....

Ferdi Soyer the prime minister of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus - which is recognised only by Turkey - gave a "state guarantee" that their ownership could not be successfully challenged.

On a visit to London, Mr Soyer said: "There is no chance that they will lose their property.

The British people who buy a house or who want to take land in north Cyprus do not be afraid: everything is under our state guarantee". March 2006

[Viewpoint]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

Well, there is an even better question. What if Apostolide's land in Lapithos was given to the one that "sold" it to Orams, not in "exchange" of his land in the south, but because he was one of the thousands who got it in exchange of their "services" to the "national cause," i.e. TMT Mujahedins and Talibans, Turkish military officers, political friends and allies of Denktash (Turks and foreigners -British,) etc? What land will the Orams be entitled in the south, in such a case?

You can use thousand and one examples, Kifeas, and nothing will add up to anything as to what VP is saying. Even if the person who "sold" Apostolide's land to Orams had land in the south, he couldn't give it to the Orams as an exchange to the one he got as an "exchange" in the north, because he has already turned his ownership of his land in the south to the "trnc" which means he is no longer the owner of his own land until a solution is found and the RoC will see to that, since he sold his stolen GC "exchanged" land to the Orams given to him by the "trnc".! VP is just talking rubbish. He is very upset with the ECJ ruling and is trying to find something to make the pain go away, just because some of his family members and friends are holding stolen GC land and may face the same music as the Orams in the coming days and months. I personally would not like to be in their shoes really, but they all volunteered in having "Bayram" with the GC's properties, so the problem lies with themselves and nobody else.!

So what you are saying is Apostilies land is his to do with as he wishes but the TC land in the south is not his to do with as he wishes, he has to wait for a solution? man you people are beyond belief.....As for disappointment with regards to the ECJ I have stated this before I cannot wait for the first arrests or siezure of assets and the uproar of publicity this will bring. Dont count your chickens to seen wait for the British ruling first and the legal obstacles that will follow, you are far from concluding anything yet.

[Oracle]

Isnt this the worse case scenario? the villa gets demolished and returned to the GC for use as a plot of land in the TRNC and the Orams now sue the "RoC" for the land in the south which maybe very valuable?

Can you for once and for all explain yourself with this idea that the Orams have a right to any land in the south that belongs to a TC as an exchange to a land they bought in the north which was stolen and has a legal owner. Which exact plot of land in the south will they be entitled to, so tell us, or are you once again making worthless propaganda to give some comfort to the morally corrupted who did buy stolen GC land in the north. I don't get it and the more you repeat your statement, the more confused I get. Lets hear your explanation, shall we.!

Well, there is an even better question. What if Apostolide's land in Lapithos was given to the one that "sold" it to Orams, not in "exchange" of his land in the south, but because he was one of the thousands who got it in exchange of their "services" to the "national cause," i.e. TMT Mujahedins and Talibans, Turkish military officers, political friends and allies of Denktash (Turks and foreigners -British,) etc? What land will the Orams be entitled in the south, in such a case?

You can use thousand and one examples, Kifeas, and nothing will add up to anything as to what VP is saying. Even if the person who "sold" Apostolide's land to Orams had land in the south, he couldn't give it to the Orams as an exchange to the one he got as an "exchange" in the north, because he has already turned his ownership of his land in the south to the "trnc" which means he is no longer the owner of his own land until a solution is found and the RoC will see to that, since he sold his stolen GC "exchanged" land to the Orams given to him by the "trnc".! VP is just talking rubbish. He is very upset with the ECJ ruling and is trying to find something to make the pain go away, just because some of his family members and friends are holding stolen GC land and may face the same music as the Orams in the coming days and months. I personally would not like to be in their shoes really, but they all volunteered in having "Bayram" with the GC's properties, so the problem lies with themselves and nobody else.!

So what you are saying is Apostilies land is his to do with as he wishes but the TC land in the south is not his to do with as he wishes, he has to wait for a solution? man you people are beyond belief.....As for disappointment with regards to the ECJ I have stated this before I cannot wait for the first arrests or siezure of assets and the uproar of publicity this will bring. Dont count your chickens to seen wait for the British ruling first and the legal obstacles that will follow, you are far from concluding anything yet.

Hello Mr Mentally Unstable ... the "TC" can reclaim his land (if he had any, and I don't believe he did ) anytime he wants, because the RoC has not sold it to anyone!