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Lieberman: Cyprus the blueprint for peace

http://www.thejc.com/articles/lieberman ... rint-peace

From The Jewish Chronicle
Stephen Pollard
May 14, 2009


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Israel’s controversial Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, appears to have persuaded Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to adopt a peace plan which the leader of Yisrael Beiteinu views as an alternative to the two-state solution as it is usually defined.

Mr Lieberman, who has been visiting European capitals, revealed the outlines of his plan at a reception in London on Tuesday, on the eve of his meeting with British Foreign Secretary David Miliband. He also discussed the plan, which he has floated before, in Italy last week.

Mr Lieberman made clear that the Israeli government is basing its approach on the model provided by the Cyprus conflict. After some population transfers, the Greek and Turkish populations now live in wholly separate areas. They co-exist after a de facto peace agreement. The Greek area is the internationally recognised state of Cyprus; the Turkish zone is run autonomously but depends on Turkey, the only country which recognises it, for support.

Mr Lieberman said that Cyprus showed how “friction and tension and bloodshed” can be replaced by “security, stability and prosperity”. He continued: “This kind of solution can grow. It is very similar to us.”

As the JC reported two weeks ago, Mr Netanyahu is expected to tell President Obama in Washington next week that Israel will accept a two-state solution. But it is clear from Mr Lieberman’s remarks that the Israeli concept of “two-state solution” is very different to that of the Americans.

The Foreign Minister said that there were three “solutions” for hostile communities living together. The first was typified by the creation of Czechoslovakia after the First World War, but that, as the annexation by Germany of the Sudetenland showed, “if you remember history this is a very bad solution”.

The second was the Good Friday agreement in Northern Island. This, he said, was “a very good solution. The problem? It took 800 years. I’m not sure we have 800 years.”

The third model was Cyprus. “I think we have more interest in this,” he said. “In Cyprus after 1974 it was the same situation as in Israel. Greeks and Turks were living together, there was friction and tension and bloodshed.” Separation had brought peace and prosperity.

The Foreign Minister was speaking in the London home of JNF chairman Samuel Hayek. Demonstrators threw bagels at those attending, and Mr Lieberman’s security guards delayed his arrival until the demonstration had been dispersed.

In a wide-ranging talk, he said that he rejected the word “peace” because “I’m not sure that we have partners for peace. What we can provide for ourselves is, first of all, security.” But he made clear that he wanted to see “a comprehensive solution… in the next two to three years”.

Mr Lieberman also said that the European focus on the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is “a misunderstanding… We have some trouble with the Palestinian Authority but the real conflict in the Middle East is between the extremist Islamic wing and moderate people and countries. The PA is not afraid of Israel. They really face a very serious fight, but not with Israel but from Hamas and jihad”.

The conflict, he said, was at root caused by Iran: “The biggest threat to all our interests, the biggest threat to the US… the biggest threat to Western Europe is Iran.” Iran intends to take power in Lebanon through its proxy, Hizbollah, he said.

On Wednesday, Mr Lieberman met Mr Miliband. MPs Richard Burden, Jeremy Corbyn, Martin Linton and Baroness Jenny Tonge protested outside the FCO as he arrived.

The two ministers expressed “deep concern” about Iran’s nuclear intentions and destabilising actions in the region. However, unlike Mr Lieberman, Mr Miliband has been a champion of the Arab Peace Initiative (API) first proposed seven years ago by Saudi Arabia, offering Israel full recognition and normalisation of relations with Arab states.

Speaking in Riyadh last month, Mr Miliband said that the API “was not given the attention it deserved”. He told the Saudis that there should be not a two-state solution “but a 23-state solution — 22 members of the Arab League plus Israel”. On Monday, King Abdullah of Jordan talked of a 57-state solution — meaning every Muslim nation.
Last updated: 10:40am, May 14 2009

[Piratis]

It is obvious that the Fascist leadership of Turkey and the ultra right racists of Israel, like Lieberman, have a lot in common.

Only such kind of people could conceive that ethnic cleansing can be a way to bring peace. With the same kind of "logic" one could claim that if Hitler was successful in his Genocide against the Jews that the Middle East today would be much more peaceful

Furthermore he is factually wrong when he said "They co-exist after a de facto peace agreement.". There was no such agreement and what we have a cease fire, not peace.

The reason there are no battles now is because we choose peaceful means to fight for our rights, although we would have every right to do what the Palestinians are doing.

[Metin]

Its true that there is a kind of peace in Cyprus brought about by the Turkish Army and a sort of balance on the whole the Turks have millitary power the Greeks diplomatic and in the case of the Greek Cyps economic power.
The situation in Israel/Palestine however is wholly different where all power is firmly on one side.
It will be interesting to see how Obama deals with the new Israeli administration though which is certainly for more racist and extremist then anything in Greece,Turkey or Cyprus.

I guess strategic interests will rule the day the U.S will always side with Israel against the Arabs.

And with Turkey against Cyprus as long as Turkish and American interests in the region are similar.

Politics is pretty simple to understand,you just have to be REALISTIC!
People saying things like all Turkish troops,all settlers, out is just not realistic,neither is people saying things like Palestine will be free from the river to the sea.

Folk who say things like "the Greek Cypriots have every right to do what the Palestinian do " will have a tendancy to have bombs dropped on them.

[Oracle]

In the end, if Israel has the US ... we have the EU. And Turkey no longer has the unquestioning support it had from the US.

Things are changing ...

[Viewpoint]

Its true that there is a kind of peace in Cyprus brought about by the Turkish Army and a sort of balance on the whole the Turks have millitary power the Greeks diplomatic and in the case of the Greek Cyps economic power.
The situation in Israel/Palestine however is wholly different where all power is firmly on one side.
It will be interesting to see how Obama deals with the new Israeli administration though which is certainly for more racist and extremist then anything in Greece,Turkey or Cyprus.

I guess strategic interests will rule the day the U.S will always side with Israel against the Arabs.

And with Turkey against Cyprus as long as Turkish and American interests in the region are similar.

Politics is pretty simple to understand,you just have to be REALISTIC!
People saying things like all Turkish troops,all settlers, out is just not realistic,neither is people saying things like Palestine will be free from the river to the sea.

Folk who say things like "the Greek Cypriots have every right to do what the Palestinian do " will have a tendancy to have bombs dropped on them.

Great post Metin.

[Oracle]

Its true that there is a kind of peace in Cyprus brought about by the Turkish Army and a sort of balance on the whole the Turks have millitary power the Greeks diplomatic and in the case of the Greek Cyps economic power.
The situation in Israel/Palestine however is wholly different where all power is firmly on one side.
It will be interesting to see how Obama deals with the new Israeli administration though which is certainly for more racist and extremist then anything in Greece,Turkey or Cyprus.

I guess strategic interests will rule the day the U.S will always side with Israel against the Arabs.

And with Turkey against Cyprus as long as Turkish and American interests in the region are similar.

Politics is pretty simple to understand,you just have to be REALISTIC!
People saying things like all Turkish troops,all settlers, out is just not realistic,neither is people saying things like Palestine will be free from the river to the sea.

Folk who say things like "the Greek Cypriots have every right to do what the Palestinian do " will have a tendancy to have bombs dropped on them.

Great post Metin.

Of course, this is the part you love the most VP ...

.... have bombs dropped on them

[Get Real!]

Lieberman on Cyprus?

I'm definitely not interested...

[insan]

It is obvious that the Fascist leadership of Turkey and the ultra right racists of Israel, like Lieberman, have a lot in common.

Only such kind of people could conceive that ethnic cleansing can be a way to bring peace. With the same kind of "logic" one could claim that if Hitler was successful in his Genocide against the Jews that the Middle East today would be much more peaceful

Furthermore he is factually wrong when he said "They co-exist after a de facto peace agreement.". There was no such agreement and what we have a cease fire, not peace.

The reason there are no battles now is because we choose peaceful means to fight for our rights, although we would have every right to do what the Palestinians are doing.

Partition is one of the widely accepted method of conflict resolution...

[The Cypriot]

It is obvious that the Fascist leadership of Turkey and the ultra right racists of Israel, like Lieberman, have a lot in common.

Only such kind of people could conceive that ethnic cleansing can be a way to bring peace. With the same kind of "logic" one could claim that if Hitler was successful in his Genocide against the Jews that the Middle East today would be much more peaceful

Furthermore he is factually wrong when he said "They co-exist after a de facto peace agreement.". There was no such agreement and what we have a cease fire, not peace.

The reason there are no battles now is because we choose peaceful means to fight for our rights, although we would have every right to do what the Palestinians are doing.

Partition is one of the widely accepted method of conflict resolution...

Method accepted by who? The vast majority of Cypriots rejected the partitionist plan that was presented to them in 2004.

[Oracle]

It is obvious that the Fascist leadership of Turkey and the ultra right racists of Israel, like Lieberman, have a lot in common.

Only such kind of people could conceive that ethnic cleansing can be a way to bring peace. With the same kind of "logic" one could claim that if Hitler was successful in his Genocide against the Jews that the Middle East today would be much more peaceful

Furthermore he is factually wrong when he said "They co-exist after a de facto peace agreement.". There was no such agreement and what we have a cease fire, not peace.

The reason there are no battles now is because we choose peaceful means to fight for our rights, although we would have every right to do what the Palestinians are doing.

Partition is one of the widely accepted method of conflict resolution...

There isn't a "conflict" ... there is an INVASION and occupation! And you face the same fate as Hitler ....