Lit wrote:I hope you soon will realize that a lot of what you reproduce here are material from actual Americans and to use their writings and videos to say that Americans are war criminals is just insane.
Insane is when you assume that reporters doing their job (American or otherwise) justifies their country’s atrocities!
DT. wrote:ONe of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
OMG what has the world come to! They are behaving as though they are playing on some video game console.
That's War for you!
Shame that innocent Reuters Journalists got killed, but you would agree that the US Gunship made a very grave error and had mistaken those innocent bystander's camera gear for weapons.
In the end, these war correspondents know the risks they are taking by being in a War Zone, and soldiers know full well the dangers they face as well.
Yes War is disgusting! Even allied troops have been attacked by their own in 'friendly fire' incidents.
That's just the way it is!
GR! is insane for labeling this incident a War Crime!
DT. wrote:ONe of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
OMG what has the world come to! They are behaving as though they are playing on some video game console.
That's War for you!
Shame that innocent Reuters Journalists got killed, but you would agree that the US Gunship made a very grave error and had mistaken those innocent bystander's camera gear for weapons.
In the end, these war correspondents know the risks they are taking by being in a War Zone, and soldiers know full well the dangers they face as well.
Yes War is disgusting! Even allied troops have been attacked by their own in 'friendly fire' incidents.
That's just the way it is!
GR! is insane for labeling this incident a War Crime!
No, I'm sorry Paphitis but I'm not convinced by your defence of them. Even if one man looked like he may have been carrying a gun (and I wasn't convinced of that either) the overriding message was that these troops were looking for excuses to kill. Surely just carrying a weapon doesn't make you a legitimate target. Maybe he had confiscated it from someone. Maybe he was going to shoot rabbits for dinner! Where's the logical doubt!
Lit wrote:I hope you soon will realize that a lot of what you reproduce here are material from actual Americans and to use their writings and videos to say that Americans are war criminals is just insane.
Insane is when you assume that reporters doing their job (American or otherwise) justifies their country’s atrocities!
Now quit making a fool of yourself in here...
Justified? STFU you fool. I actually stated ... if you took the time to read my previous comment to you that "The rules of engagement were obviously not followed and I hope the families that suffered from this incident find justice."
DT. wrote:ONe of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
OMG what has the world come to! They are behaving as though they are playing on some video game console.
That's War for you!
Shame that innocent Reuters Journalists got killed, but you would agree that the US Gunship made a very grave error and had mistaken those innocent bystander's camera gear for weapons.
In the end, these war correspondents know the risks they are taking by being in a War Zone, and soldiers know full well the dangers they face as well.
Yes War is disgusting! Even allied troops have been attacked by their own in 'friendly fire' incidents.
That's just the way it is!
GR! is insane for labeling this incident a War Crime!
No, I'm sorry Paphitis but I'm not convinced by your defence of them. Even if one man looked like he may have been carrying a gun (and I wasn't convinced of that either) the overriding message was that these troops were looking for excuses to kill.
From the link that GR supplied:
The Apaches had been called in to assist ground troops who had been pinned down by small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades.
DT. wrote:ONe of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
OMG what has the world come to! They are behaving as though they are playing on some video game console.
That's War for you!
Shame that innocent Reuters Journalists got killed, but you would agree that the US Gunship made a very grave error and had mistaken those innocent bystander's camera gear for weapons.
In the end, these war correspondents know the risks they are taking by being in a War Zone, and soldiers know full well the dangers they face as well.
Yes War is disgusting! Even allied troops have been attacked by their own in 'friendly fire' incidents.
That's just the way it is!
GR! is insane for labeling this incident a War Crime!
No, I'm sorry Paphitis but I'm not convinced by your defence of them. Even if one man looked like he may have been carrying a gun (and I wasn't convinced of that either) the overriding message was that these troops were looking for excuses to kill. Surely just carrying a weapon doesn't make you a legitimate target. Maybe he had confiscated it from someone. Maybe he was going to shoot rabbits for dinner! Where's the logical doubt!
This is not excusable behaviour.
No, I think you disagree because you're an idealist. And that is very admirable!
Carrying a weapon does make you a target, as these very weapons are a threat, and could be used against them and other allied troops. As it turned out, these weapons (AK47s) were not weapons at all. The loss of life was unnecessary. Friendly fire incidents also claim life, and these losses are also unnecessary. And any fire fights that had occurred immediately prior to this incident would have been playing on the crew's mind.
But I can tell you that ALL soldiers, whether American, Australian or British are never looking to kill for the hell of it. They are not looking for an excuse to kill. On the contrary, all soldiers would love to never have to kill anyone. They live with it for the rest of their lives.
DT. wrote:ONe of the most disgusting things I've ever seen.
OMG what has the world come to! They are behaving as though they are playing on some video game console.
That's War for you!
Shame that innocent Reuters Journalists got killed, but you would agree that the US Gunship made a very grave error and had mistaken those innocent bystander's camera gear for weapons.
In the end, these war correspondents know the risks they are taking by being in a War Zone, and soldiers know full well the dangers they face as well.
Yes War is disgusting! Even allied troops have been attacked by their own in 'friendly fire' incidents.
That's just the way it is!
GR! is insane for labeling this incident a War Crime!
No, I'm sorry Paphitis but I'm not convinced by your defence of them. Even if one man looked like he may have been carrying a gun (and I wasn't convinced of that either) the overriding message was that these troops were looking for excuses to kill. Surely just carrying a weapon doesn't make you a legitimate target. Maybe he had confiscated it from someone. Maybe he was going to shoot rabbits for dinner! Where's the logical doubt!
This is not excusable behaviour.
No, I think you disagree because you're an idealist. And that is very admirable!
Carrying a weapon does make you a target, as these very weapons are a threat, and could be used against them and other allied troops. As it turned out, these weapons (AK47s) were not weapons at all. The loss of life was unnecessary. Friendly fire incidents also claim life, and these losses are also unnecessary. And any fire fights that had occurred immediately prior to this incident would have been playing on the crew's mind.
But I can tell you that ALL soldiers, whether American, Australian or British are never looking to kill for the hell of it. They are not looking for an excuse to kill. On the contrary, all soldiers would love to never have to kill anyone. They live with it for the rest of their lives.
Paphiti, watch the tape.
"Oh Yeah! Look at all those dead bastards!"
"Nice!"
"Come on buddy...all you gotta do is pick up a weapon" (so they could fire again)
Come on!! Let us shoot!
"I think the guy just drove over a body"
"Really?"
"Yeah!" (laughs)
That mention of the azimuth limit though takes me back to studying gun ranges...
Paphitis wrote:But I can tell you that ALL soldiers, whether American, Australian or British are never looking to kill for the hell of it. They are not looking for an excuse to kill. On the contrary, all soldiers would love to never have to kill anyone.
What a baseless and immature statement despite decades of American and British war crimes!
Who exactly do you think you are when you make such a daft sweeping statement on behalf of millions others you’ve never met?