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Postby Paphitis » Sun May 17, 2009 2:50 pm

Talisker wrote:Paphitis, looks like we're agreeing on the realities of the situation for Afghanis in their current predicament (and unfortuantely one that has lasted a very long time). I argued yesterday that our military intervention could be counterproductive. There is an interesting article in the Observer today, about someone called Rory Stewart, currently working to safeguard traditional skills in Afghanistan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2009/ ... nal-skills

Within the article is the following which supports my view, and this from someone living and working in Afghanistan, and with experience of similar in Iraq.
Stewart argues that, just as the west is gearing up to perhaps double the number of troops in Afghanistan, we should be doing the opposite and getting the troops out. We are not doing any good, Stewart says. More troops means more fighting, which means more civilian casualties and violence and more people hating us and what we stand for. We need an Afghan solution for an Afghan problem. It is not a view that has made him very popular.


I agree with you but with one minor difference. I believe we have given the Afghanis a commitment that we will not allow them to suffer at the hands of the Taliban ever again. So I think we are unable to withdraw at this stage.

Our commitments are no doubt being increased, and to me this suggests that the coalition is determined to destroy the Taliban and eventually pursue the Taliban in Pakistan. At the moment I have little faith in American Commanders and their heavy handed approach. They always seem to create a big mess wherever they go, causing much unjustified collateral damage which slowly but surely changes public opinion.

The Afghan War is ideally suited for British/Australian SAS operations. These are the only troops which are suited to fight this type of warfare and at the same time maintain a very low footprint causing few if not no loss of innocent life. The Americans are incapable of this and have the Rambo syndrome as depicted in their movies but in actual fact they should really have a close look at how the SAS quietly goes about its business.

The only way there can be a quick withdrawal is if the coalition countries actually provide Afghanistan with billions of dollars in aid in order to equip the Afghan Security Forces and offer them specialised training. As they are able to demonstrate some control and effectiveness, then the coalition could then scale down and eventually withdraw. However, we will still be faced with the prospect of propping up their defence by providing them with vasts amounts of aid over many years, and I think we are obligated to do so. We can't just abandon them.

Rory Stewart makes some valid points. But I hope he is not inadvertently condemning the Afghans to Taliban rule.

I don't know whether we will achieve these objectives or not, but I think we need to give it a try. Obama seems to be giving me much hope and confidence at the moment and I really hope he can pull something out of the hat and end it all.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun May 17, 2009 3:15 pm

Talisker wrote:I argued yesterday that our military intervention could be counterproductive

Paphitis wrote:I believe we have given the Afghanis a commitment that we will not allow them to suffer at the hands of the Taliban ever again.

:roll: Listening to Talisker and Paphitis is like watching a Punch & Judy show…

Hey bozos, this thread is about the “Principles of International Law” not your thesis on the “correct” application of imperialist double standards!

Now, bugger off the both of you!
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Postby Paphitis » Sun May 17, 2009 3:22 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Talisker wrote:I argued yesterday that our military intervention could be counterproductive

Paphitis wrote:I believe we have given the Afghanis a commitment that we will not allow them to suffer at the hands of the Taliban ever again.

:roll: Listening to Talisker and Paphitis is like watching a Punch & Judy show…

Hey bozos, this thread is about the “Principles of International Law” not your thesis on the “correct” application of imperialist double standards!

Now, bugger off the both of you!


Hey GaidouriTsa!....

Make us.... 8)

What double standards are you referring to? :lol:

The Taliban attacked us and now they have been removed from power..... :cry: I hope they have plasmas in their caves because thy are going to be stuck in them for a very long time.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Talisker » Sun May 17, 2009 3:45 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Talisker wrote:I argued yesterday that our military intervention could be counterproductive

Paphitis wrote:I believe we have given the Afghanis a commitment that we will not allow them to suffer at the hands of the Taliban ever again.

:roll: Listening to Talisker and Paphitis is like watching a Punch & Judy show…

Hey bozos, this thread is about the “Principles of International Law” not your thesis on the “correct” application of imperialist double standards!

Now, bugger off the both of you!

Well, duh....................did you actually define the intended content of this thread or did you just lazily provide a handful of loosely connected hyperlinks, and a sensationalist title to attract interest? Next time you give us the privilege of your superior fact-finding and information-spreading threads please also define the parameters within which you'd like us 'bozos' to discuss said knowledge (for which we're eternally grateful). I'm presuming you'd prefer an empty thread, with no responses from anyone, and us all sitting at home reading the information you provide, nodding sagely, and feeling grateful for your 'input'? You may not have noticed that your final hyperlink related to Afghanistan, which I believe Paphitis and I were discussing. Or perhaps you don't actually read the information within your generously provided links........ :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Sun May 17, 2009 3:58 pm

Talisker wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Talisker wrote:I argued yesterday that our military intervention could be counterproductive

Paphitis wrote:I believe we have given the Afghanis a commitment that we will not allow them to suffer at the hands of the Taliban ever again.

:roll: Listening to Talisker and Paphitis is like watching a Punch & Judy show…

Hey bozos, this thread is about the “Principles of International Law” not your thesis on the “correct” application of imperialist double standards!

Now, bugger off the both of you!

Well, duh....................did you actually define the intended content of this thread or did you just lazily provide a handful of loosely connected hyperlinks, and a sensationalist title to attract interest? Next time you give us the privilege of your superior fact-finding and information-spreading threads please also define the parameters within which you'd like us 'bozos' to discuss said knowledge (for which we're eternally grateful). I'm presuming you'd prefer an empty thread, with no responses from anyone, and us all sitting at home reading the information you provide, nodding sagely, and feeling grateful for your 'input'? You may not have noticed that your final hyperlink related to Afghanistan, which I believe Paphitis and I were discussing. Or perhaps you don't actually read the information within your generously provided links........ :roll:

Loosely connected hyperlinks? :? The only thing "loose" is your comprehension but don’t let that be a deterrence to you starting a…

“The correct application of imperialist double standards in Afghanistan”

…thread, because lose screws are what drive this crusade.
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Postby Talisker » Sun May 17, 2009 4:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Talisker wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Talisker wrote:I argued yesterday that our military intervention could be counterproductive

Paphitis wrote:I believe we have given the Afghanis a commitment that we will not allow them to suffer at the hands of the Taliban ever again.

:roll: Listening to Talisker and Paphitis is like watching a Punch & Judy show…

Hey bozos, this thread is about the “Principles of International Law” not your thesis on the “correct” application of imperialist double standards!

Now, bugger off the both of you!

Well, duh....................did you actually define the intended content of this thread or did you just lazily provide a handful of loosely connected hyperlinks, and a sensationalist title to attract interest? Next time you give us the privilege of your superior fact-finding and information-spreading threads please also define the parameters within which you'd like us 'bozos' to discuss said knowledge (for which we're eternally grateful). I'm presuming you'd prefer an empty thread, with no responses from anyone, and us all sitting at home reading the information you provide, nodding sagely, and feeling grateful for your 'input'? You may not have noticed that your final hyperlink related to Afghanistan, which I believe Paphitis and I were discussing. Or perhaps you don't actually read the information within your generously provided links........ :roll:

Loosely connected hyperlinks? :? The only thing "loose" is your comprehension but don’t let that be a deterrence to you starting a…

“The correct application of imperialist double standards in Afghanistan”

…thread, because lose screws are what drive this crusade.

Bored on a Sunday afternoon GR? Trying to stir up some action on your thread? Can't see that Paphitis and I were interrupting a flow of high intellect from all parts of the globe on your apparently intended and belatedly confirmed theme of “Principles of International Law”. But happy to quit so I don't get in the way of the masses queuing up to debate this topic........... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Sun May 17, 2009 6:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:
miltiades wrote:Why are you so pathetically obsessed with anything anti American !!
Did that Americaniko daxtylo touche some sensitive parts of your body creating an avalanche of crap . Get a life Plonker America IS the Greatest nation on this planet , after Cyprus !!

International Humanitarian Law does indeed seem “anti-American” since Americans are the world’s biggest violators of it.

Says who mate , you and a couple of crappy left wing sites , Oh and of course your ole mate Bin Fucking Laden. If I were you I would muzzle myself until my body and brain is cleansed from all the crap that you come out with.
America is the home of the entire world, there is not one race of people that is not a part of the USA , so whats all these bullshit you come out with , surely it effects every other race of people on this planet.
You ought to kiss Obama's rear end , and Bush before him , for standing by the RoC and refusing to recognise the pseudo state .
You are afflicted , just as 80% of Cypriots and 99.99 % of mainland Greeks with the dreaded ameriacanikodaxtilosis syndrom.
O Amerikanos re sou leo , to dollario , oti theli kani re o Agloamerikanos. Well , this is what I say Assiktir malakes !!
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Postby Get Real! » Sun May 17, 2009 6:26 pm

miltiades wrote:America is the home of the entire world, there is not one race of people that is not a part of the USA , so whats all these bullshit you come out with , surely it effects every other race of people on this planet.

Are you implying that if we give RoC permanent residency to one citizen of each of the 360 odd recognized sovereign countries, we will attain a status above and beyond international law? Wow! 8)
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Postby miltiades » Sun May 17, 2009 6:46 pm

I highlighted the fact that each and every race of people on this planet are represented in the USA. Millions have risked life and limb trying to get to the USA , the greatest nation on this earth ( After Cyprus !!)
Why on earth would millions of humans from every corner of the world would want to live in a country that according to You , has the worst human rights violations record. Bullocks mate.
Any mate of Bin Fucking Laden is no friend of the free world , and you are undoubtedly attached to the sick mentality that circulates in the third world where all blame for the bloody mess that they created themselves is the fault of the USA. Most of these nations would starve to death if it wasnt for Western aid.
You are on record , on this forum , supporting every enemy of the USA which translates to every enemy of the free world , including Cyprus . Get your brain serviced and stay away from all these crappy sites you seem to be obsessed with.
There is no other country where freedom, opportunity, human rights are protected by the greatest constitution the world has ever seen.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun May 17, 2009 7:03 pm

miltiades wrote:I highlighted the fact that each and every race of people on this planet are represented in the USA. Millions have risked life and limb trying to get to the USA , the greatest nation on this earth ( After Cyprus !!)
Why on earth would millions of humans from every corner of the world would want to live in a country that according to You , has the worst human rights violations record. Bullocks mate.
Any mate of Bin Fucking Laden is no friend of the free world , and you are undoubtedly attached to the sick mentality that circulates in the third world where all blame for the bloody mess that they created themselves is the fault of the USA. Most of these nations would starve to death if it wasnt for Western aid.
You are on record , on this forum , supporting every enemy of the USA which translates to every enemy of the free world , including Cyprus . Get your brain serviced and stay away from all these crappy sites you seem to be obsessed with.
There is no other country where freedom, opportunity, human rights are protected by the greatest constitution the world has ever seen.

You just LOVE making a fool of yourself don't you? :lol:

U.N. Challenges U.S. Rights Record
Human Rights Committee Criticizes U.S. Practices
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/07/26/u ... hts-record

Human rights violations in US: Kettle calling the pot black
http://www.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=131000

Human Rights in the United States
http://www.amnestyusa.org/us-human-righ ... id=1011100
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