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[Get Real!]

What i believe is Cyprus problem did not started from the properties problem.

It bloody well did when in 1570 you had ZERO land and came and stole it all off the indigenous Cypriots and called it "Evkaf"!

Well fancy that... why didn't you call it Baclava land instead?

[YFred]

Again, as one would expect, the Turkish Cypriot estimates of Turkish Cypriot-owned land on either side of the island are much higher than the Greek Cypriot estimates: 33.1% of privately owned land in the north, and 22.8% of privately owned land in the south (corresponding Greek Cypriot figures are 21.1% and 13.9%, respectively). What is more important is the percentage of Greek Cypriot private property in the north. The Turkish Cypriot side estimates this at 1,228,838 donums, which is equivalent to 63.8% of all privately owned land in the north. Although significantly lower than the corresponding Greek Cypriot estimate (1,463,382 donums or 78.5%), this is still a remarkably high percentage.


God knows what will happen at the table

Mr X will have to invite a pole dancer to distract Talat from these figures.

old Cypriots habit Bargaining (Pazarlık ,bazarliki ) not popular in these days .......

It's not just the actual areas but complicated by the land price differences between the north and the south.

And what is this supposed to mean? That because the north was illegally occupied by Turkey and thus remained outside the legal property market framework, the GC properties in the north should be devaluated and the TC properties in the south should remain appreciated? Does your mother have more cleverish sons like yourself, or are you just her only one?

Kifeas, first FYI I am from a family of 8, and all have land in the south, so you can see the reason for my interest.

Secondly, one of the grounds you guys opposed the Annan plan was because the prices were calculated at 74 level. So now you are propsing that if you are a TC and wish to exchange you can only exchange donum for donum. This is just about the most racist thing to come out of this forum. Not that I am interested in exchanging.

[umit07]

What i believe is Cyprus problem did not started from the properties problem.

It bloody well did when in 1570 you had ZERO land and came and stole it all off the indigenous Cypriots and called it "Evkaf"!

Well fancy that... why didn't you call it Baclava land instead?

Guess how many "kochans" GC's had in 1570?

[Get Real!]

What i believe is Cyprus problem did not started from the properties problem.

It bloody well did when in 1570 you had ZERO land and came and stole it all off the indigenous Cypriots and called it "Evkaf"!

Well fancy that... why didn't you call it Baclava land instead?

Guess how many "kochans" GC's had in 1570?

None because they didn't call them "Kochans" back then!

[umit07]

What i believe is Cyprus problem did not started from the properties problem.

It bloody well did when in 1570 you had ZERO land and came and stole it all off the indigenous Cypriots and called it "Evkaf"!

Well fancy that... why didn't you call it Baclava land instead?

Guess how many "kochans" GC's had in 1570?

None because they didn't call them "Kochans" back then!

You get my drift. It was the ottomans that freed you dudes from being serfs who owned jack shit! Is this true or what?

The fact is Evkaf land exists just like the church's land, whether you like it or not.

[Get Real!]

What i believe is Cyprus problem did not started from the properties problem.

It bloody well did when in 1570 you had ZERO land and came and stole it all off the indigenous Cypriots and called it "Evkaf"!

Well fancy that... why didn't you call it Baclava land instead?

Guess how many "kochans" GC's had in 1570?

None because they didn't call them "Kochans" back then!

You get my drift. It was the ottomans that freed you dudes from being serfs who owned jack shit! Is this true or what?

False! We called them “Gondola bordellos” back then...

The fact is Evkaf land exists just like the church's land, whether you like it or not.

We took most of it back starting from 1944...

[umit07]

Thank you for your acknowledgment of Evkaf land, so at least now you don't question it's existence. I will have to do some reading about the 1944 colonial land reforms so I will not comment on it at this stage. I'm off to bed got work tmw, have a good evening.

[ahristos]

I BELIVE THAT IN TODAYS REALITY SOME 18% OF TOTAL LAND CAN HAVE T-C NO MORE
THE REST MUST GO TO G-C THAT IS IN %OF POPULATION

[Nikitas]

"You get my drift. It was the ottomans that freed you dudes from being serfs who owned jack shit! Is this true or what?

The fact is Evkaf land exists just like the church's land, whether you like it or not."

THIS IS TOTAL CRAP!!!

Under the Venetians Cypriots owned land, so did the Greek Orthodox church. The notion that private property was introduced by the Ottomans is a myth taught at Turkish schools and nowhere else.

Not only did the Venetians allow property but they also encouraged culture and it is no accident that the largest collection of literary works produced during Ottoman times is archived in Venice. Nor is it an accident that the main canal of Venice is called the Canal of the Greeks.

So lay off this "you were serfs" lark.

Yes, Evkaf land is like church land, but that is a LONG WAY from saying that Varosha is built on Evkaf land. Varosha was built during Ottoman times, this is very well documented by independent sources. Why did Evkaf not react to so many thousands of squatters on its land back in the 19the century. WHy wait till now to set up such a ridiculous claim?

[Kifeas]

Again, as one would expect, the Turkish Cypriot estimates of Turkish Cypriot-owned land on either side of the island are much higher than the Greek Cypriot estimates: 33.1% of privately owned land in the north, and 22.8% of privately owned land in the south (corresponding Greek Cypriot figures are 21.1% and 13.9%, respectively). What is more important is the percentage of Greek Cypriot private property in the north. The Turkish Cypriot side estimates this at 1,228,838 donums, which is equivalent to 63.8% of all privately owned land in the north. Although significantly lower than the corresponding Greek Cypriot estimate (1,463,382 donums or 78.5%), this is still a remarkably high percentage.


God knows what will happen at the table

Mr X will have to invite a pole dancer to distract Talat from these figures.

old Cypriots habit Bargaining (Pazarlık ,bazarliki ) not popular in these days .......

It's not just the actual areas but complicated by the land price differences between the north and the south.

And what is this supposed to mean? That because the north was illegally occupied by Turkey and thus remained outside the legal property market framework, the GC properties in the north should be devaluated and the TC properties in the south should remain appreciated? Does your mother have more cleverish sons like yourself, or are you just her only one?

Kifeas, first FYI I am from a family of 8, and all have land in the south, so you can see the reason for my interest.

Secondly, one of the grounds you guys opposed the Annan plan was because the prices were calculated at 74 level. So now you are propsing that if you are a TC and wish to exchange you can only exchange donum for donum. This is just about the most racist thing to come out of this forum. Not that I am interested in exchanging.

Why is it racist to exchange donum for donum of similar land? Is it because you want to have most of the GC land in the north, which amount to 4 times more than the TC one in the south, and then, once a solution is reached and the market values become equal between north and south, each one of you to become 3-4 times richer than the average GC refugee from the north? We are not the ones that want to exchange anything, but your side instead. If you don’t like it now, we can always agree that each one gets his property back, without any exchanges. I already asked you, does your mother have many more such clever sons like you, or are you just her only one?