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[halil]

Tables 1.1 and 1.2 below illustrate the data from a Greek Cypriot Lands and Surveys Department report on total land ownership in Cyprus (including the SBAs) before 1974.16 Tables 1.3 and 1.4, on the other hand, show estimates of pre-1974 ownership of land throughout Cyprus based on a study by Halil Giray, a former director of the Turkish Cypriot Cartography Department.(17) The figures in the latter two tables do not include the allegedly usurped miri lands (estimated at 322,109 donums),18 but do include the lands that the Turkish Cypriot side claims were ‘illegally expropriated’ or ‘snatched’ from the Evkaf (estimated at 337,245 donums).19


(16) See Karouzis, p. 60.
(17) Halil Giray, Kıbrıs ile İlgili Rakamsal Bilgiler [Numerical Information Concerning Cyprus], unpublished report, June 1993.
18)Unit of measurement of the area of land used in Cyprus: 1 donum = 0.33 acres = 1,338 m².


later on Tables will come from the report .

[halil]

Turkish Cypriot researchers generally have disputed Greek Cypriot estimates of property ownership on grounds of the unreliability of the Greek Cypriot-controlled land registry records (since 1963).

They would wouldnt they. Probably the same Turkish Cypriot researches that claim that all the Greek Cypriots on the island descended from immigrant from Greece during the British occupation LOL.

wait and see what they are saying on the report !

[bill cobbett]

NONSENSE ......

A. n.

I. Senses relating to absence of rationality or meaning.

1. a. That which is not sense; absurd or meaningless words or ideas.
Esp. in recent linguistic use often spelt non-sense to avoid connotations of absurdity.
1612 A. STAFFORD Meditations & Resolutions 101 Others againe, by an vnwittie application, make non-Sense; and infuse lothing into the nice stomack of the Reader. I wil apply nothing, which may not imply something. 1629 F. QUARLES Argalus & Parthenia To Rdr. sig. A3, Many haue ventured (trusting to the Oedipean conceit of their ingenious Reader) to write non-sense. 1631 B. JONSON Bartholmew Fayre IV. iv. 31 (stage direct.) in Wks. II, Here they continue their game of vapours, which is non sense. a1680 S. BUTLER Genuine Remains (1759) I. 222 For learned Nonsense has a deeper Sound, Than easy Sense, and goes for more profound. 1711 J. ADDISON Spectator No 35 ¶1 If they speak Nonsense, they believe they are talking Humour. 1718 LADY M. W. MONTAGU Let. 10 Apr. (1965) I. 399, I understand Architecture so Little that I am affraid of talking Nonsense in endeavouring to speak of it particularly. 1790 E. BURKE Refl. Revol. in France 17 This doctrine..either is nonsense, and therefore neither true nor false, or it affirms a most..dangerous..position. 1859 N. HAWTHORNE French & Ital. Note-bks. (1871) II. 345, I am writing nonsense, but it is because no sense within my mind will answer the purpose. 1894 G. M. FENN In Alpine Valley I. 28 ‘You are not [dying], John dear. It's all stuff and nonsense,’ said the little lady. 1908 L. M. MONTGOMERY Anne of Green Gables xxvi. 294 You'll get a pack of nonsense into your heads and waste time that should be put on your lessons. 1942 T. S. ELIOT Mus. Poetry 14 His [sc. Lear's] non-sense is not vacuity of sense: it is a parody of sense, and that is the sense of it. 1965 Eng. Stud. 46 322 A ‘steep ford’ is quite obvious non~sense. 1993 D. DUNN Dante's Drum-Kit III. 68 A man with two cans..Sways on the street Shouting nonsense.

b. Foolish or extravagant conduct; silliness, misbehaviour. Chiefly in negative contexts, as to stand (also take) no nonsense, there is no nonsense about (a person), etc.
to knock the nonsense out of: see KNOCK v. 6e.
1678 A. BEHN Sir Patient Fancy IV. I, I have no leasure to attend your nonsense. 1757 P. BACON Oculist I. III. 45 You don't see your nonsense and wickedness. 1799 C. SMITH What is She? III. iii. 41 Hav'n't you done with your nonsense yet? 1816 SCOTT Antiquary I. xiii. 272 Come, let us have no more of this nonsense. 1821 Sporting Mag. 8 233 Smith would stand no nonsense. 1836 G. STEPHEN Adventures in Search of Horse (1841) i. 4 There was ‘no nonsense about him’ [sc. a horse],..but he unluckily moved like a castle! 1872 M. MACLENNAN Peasant Life 97 Noo, nae nanesense, Aileen. 1915 L. M. MONTGOMERY Anne of Island xxviii. 235 Miss Carson is a very fine girl. There is no nonsense about her. 1955 D. EDEN Darling Clementine (1959) 50 She was a plump healthy-looking girl with a pleasant face and thick blonde hair twisted into neat coils beneath her cap. She looked as if she would stand no nonsense. 1958 J. BARTH End of Road iii. 30 Perhaps because it was a weekday, there was not a girl on the beach worth the necessary nonsense involved in a pickup. 1994 Times Mag. 8 Jan. 30/2 The guides themselves..are sunny, bright and boppy, but take no nonsense.

c. Used as an exclamation to express disbelief or surprise at a statement. Cf. stuff and nonsense at STUFF n.1 8b.
a1704 T. BROWN Wks. (1715) IV. 98 Absurd, and Nonsense! 1776 H. COWLEY Runaway 48 Geo. On whom he doats. Bel. Pshaw! Geo. Grows melancholy. Bel. Nonsense! Geo. Fights for her. Bel. Ridiculous. 1803 G. COLMAN John Bull III. ii. 48 Service, nonsense!.. I'll put you into a situation in town. 1821 Sat. Evening Post 10 Nov. 4/3 The men who are farmers by book are no farmers for me... Let those who follow husbandry for amusement, try experiments. Poh, nonsense! 1859 DICKENS Tale of Two Cities II. xviii. 128 You didn't mean it..and therefore how could you know it? Nonsense! 1869 ‘M. TWAIN’ Innocents Abroad xliii. 452 Apply the Testament's gentleness, and charity, and tender mercy to a toiling, worn and weary horse?{em}Nonsense{em}these are for God's human creatures, not His dumb ones. 1918 W. CATHER My Ántonia III. iv. 328 ‘Why, I'm not going to marry anybody. Did n't you know that?’ ‘Nonsense, Lena. That's what girls say, but you know better.’ 1952 P. BOWLES Let it come Down ii. 18 ‘You don't know what you're letting yourself in for,’ said Wilcox, laughing unpleasantly. ‘Nonsense!’ Daisy exclaimed. 1993 J. KAY Other Lovers 30 Videos in your bathroom{em}nonsense.

2. Absurdity, nonsensicalness. With of.
1630 W. BEDELL in Ussher's Lett. (1686) 421, I shewed the false Latin, Non-sence, injustice of it. 1660 T. PIERCE Impartial Inq. Nature Sin To Rdr. (margin) Compare the non-sense with the impiety of the expression. 1689 R. GOULD Poems 57 The Wiser few..the Nonsense of your Fasts detect. 1767 E. LLOYD Conversation 49 Hence with thy trump'ry Nonsense of Gazette, Memorials, Proclamations, and Couriers. 1796 C. DIBDIN Love's Lesson 4 If the nonsense of love by the letter you take..The undeceiv'd senses..Those which substances seem'd, flitting shadows shall find. 1834 L. HUNT London Jrnl. 26 Nov. in Ess. & Sketches 376 The possibilities of human education, and the nonsense of ill-will. 1908 M. J. CAWEIN Poems II. 230 The battle killed All that sweet nonsense of his youth. 1971 D. ROBINSON Goshawk Squadron 182 Despite the transparent nonsense of it all, Finlayson felt his guts tighten at the word cowardice. 1995 Economist 20 May (South Africa Survey Suppl.) 5/1 The resignation with which conservative Afrikanerdom has accepted the new order exposes the nonsense of its supposed inflexibility of its people.

3. Insubstantial or worthless matter, frippery; a trivial or worthless thing.
1638 A. COWLEY Loves Riddle IV. i. sig. D5, Our desires..are Loves nonsence, wrapt up in thicke clouds. 1648 J. BEAUMONT Psyche V. i. 58 What royall Non-sense is a Diademe Abroad, for One who's not at Home supream! 1687 J. NORRIS Coll. Misc. 24, I find This busie World is Non-sense all. 1855 THACKERAY Rose & Ring, I know who'll give me much finer things than your beggarly little pearl nonsense. 1900 Westm. Gaz. 2 Feb. 12/1 Six dollars a week for slippers, and three more for ‘ribbons and bits of chiffon nonsense’. 1987 Z. TOMIN Coast of Bohemia i. 31 I'll get the boots for you, you'd only buy yourself another flimsy nonsense.

4. As a count noun: a piece of nonsense; a ridiculous notion or idea; an arrangement of which one disapproves; a muddle, a fiasco. Now freq. (chiefly Brit.) in to make a nonsense of: to reduce the value of to a ridiculous degree.
a1643 LD. FALKLAND Disc. Infallibility (1646) 98 Every new nonsense will be more acceptable..then any old sense. 1655 tr. C. Sorel Comical Hist. Francion ii. 35 He understood not French very well, nor I his Fustian Language; so our discourse was a perpetuall Nonsense. 1803 SCOTT Let. 14 Sept. (1932) I. 204, I daresay I shall go on scribbling one nonsense or another to the end of the chapter. 1827 Freedom's Jrnl. (Electronic text) 22 June, And who is this garrulous curiosity..this Niagara of nonsenses? 1942 E. WAUGH Put out More Flags iii. 212 Lyne made a nonsense of the embarkation. 1957 Listener 30 May 873 Size is essential for efficiency. A small steel works..is an economic nonsense. 1962 Movie June 6/2 Ambitious nonsenses like The Entertainer and Flame in the Streets. 1985 C. PHILLIPS Final Passage 164 It made a nonsense of their reunion, for her marriage was again to be tolerated, not shared.

{dag}5. A meaning that makes no sense. Obs. rare.
1650 Truth's Conflict with Error i. 11 This is to put a nonsense upon the place, and to destroy the savor that is in it. 1711 POPE Corr. 25 June (1956) I. 122 How easy it is to any one to give a new sense, or a new nonsense, to what the author intended.

II. Senses relating to physical sensation.

{dag}6. Lack of feeling or physical sensation. Obs. rare.
1621 in T. Bedford Sinne unto Death A i b, Disquietnesse of Conscience [growes] into a numbdnesse or non-sense.

B. adj. (usu. attrib.).

1. a. That is nonsense; nonsensical.
1621 R. BURTON Anat. Melancholy II. IV. I. v. 444 A few simples well..vnderstood, are far better then such a heap of non-sense confused compounds. 1638 W. CHILLINGWORTH Relig. Protestants I. iv. §47. 217 Some empty unintelligible non-sense distinction. 1642 D. ROGERS Naaman 191 Put case the way of washing in Jordan bee irrationall and non-sense to thy wit and reason. 1784 H. MORE Let. (1925) 100 Whereas Horace, liking nonsense-talk better than to be always with the Greeks and Romans, I sometimes get more than my share of him. 1823 C. LAMB Quakers' Meeting in Elia 109 Tired..of the janglings, and nonsense-noises of the world. 1858 M. OLIPHANT Laird of Norlaw II. 127 This is not a nonsense letter{em}will you read it, mother? 1970 Sci. Jrnl. Aug. 3/3 The idea that world energy production must continue to rise indefinitely is a nonsense concept.

b. Esp. of language, a poem, or song: consisting or composed (usually deliberately) of nonsense.
nonsense book: see Compounds 1. See also NONSENSE VERSE n., nonsense word n. at Compounds 2.
c1670 in Bodl. Rawl. Ms D. 191 f. 5v, [At Eaton] they make verses at 3 in ye even & make 30 or 40 lines of Theme by next morning. They make nonsense verses at 1st. 1842 Rep. Brit. Assoc. 118 Nonsense names.{em}Some authors..have adopted the plan of coining words at random without any derivation or meaning whatever. 1871 E. LEAR (title) Nonsense songs, stories, botany and alphabets. 1932 H. J. LASKI in Holmes-Laski Lett. (1953) II. 1376 You English..are the only people in the world with a nonsense-literature which a man can read with pleasure. 1977 P. LEACH Baby & Child vi. 421 All pre-school children love nonsense rhymes and nonsense words. 1986 G. M. WOLFE Crit. Terms for Sci. Fiction & Fantasy 82 Nonsense narratives are allied to fantasy, in that they are usually fantastic.

{dag}2. colloq. Of a person: full of nonsense; ridiculous, silly. Obs.
1742 H. FIELDING Joseph Andrews II. III. xi. 161 The Mistress of the House..told him, ‘she hoped his Honour would pardon her Husband, who was a very nonsense Man, for the sake of his poor Family.’ 1757 S. FOOTE Author I. 17 You are a nonsense Man, and I won't agree to any such Thing. 1871 G. MACDONALD At Back of North Wind xxv. 231 There's baby fast asleep! Oh, what a nonsense baby it is{em}to sleep so much!

3. Molecular Biol. Of a codon: not specifying an amino acid; (of a mutation) giving rise to such a codon (and so perhaps bringing about premature termination of the synthesis of a polypeptide). Freq. in nonsense codon, nonsense mutation.
[1957 F. H. C. CRICK et al. in Proc. National Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 43 418 We shall assume that there are certain sequences of three nucleotides with which an amino acid can be associated and certain others for which this is not possible. Using the metaphors of coding, we say that some of the 64 triplets make sense and some make nonsense.] 1961 Ann. Rev. Biochem. 30 651 An alteration in any base pair by a mutagen raises the possibility of a class of so-called nonsense mutations. 1964 G. H. HAGGIS et al. Introd. Molecular Biol. xii. 318 They then calculated that the sixty-four triplets could be divided..into two classes, with twenty meaningful triplets in one class and forty-four nonsense triplets in the other. 1974 Encycl. Brit. Micropædia IV. 464/2 It is now known that there may be several codes for one amino acid and that there are nonsense codes that do not code anything. 1992 Cambr. Encycl. Human Evol. (1994) I. i. 12/3 If the mutation is to a stop codon, such as UGA, then the growing amino acid chain will be cut off{em}a nonsense mutation.

COMPOUNDS

C1. a. nonsense-maker n.
1777 D. GARRICK Let. 15 May (1960) 97, I shall bring the Nonsense & the *Nonsense-maker to kiss your Ladyship's hands a little before five. 1990 I. YOUNG Enigma Variations (BNC), The Enigma machine itself was a nonsense-maker in reverse.

nonsense-talker n.
a1832 J. BENTHAM Deontol. (1834) I. ii. 26 The moralist..would call his enemy..hypocrite, and *nonsense-talker. 1993 Independent (Nexis) 1 Dec. 39 Trinidadians..had a programme on television where they would sit and talk nonsense and the best nonsense talker was highly respected.

nonsense-writer n.
a1835 T. PARKER in J. Weiss Life & Corr. T. Parker (1864) 70 One of the greatest proofs of the darkness of the monastic ages is the folly-admiration bestowed upon these same *nonsense writers. 1887 Spectator 17 Sept. 1251 The parent of modern nonsense-writers. 1997 Times Higher Educ. Suppl. (Nexis) 11 July 22 Joseph Brookesbank and George Dalgarno..were not deliberate nonsense writers.

b. {dag}nonsense-proof adj. Obs.
1778 Love Feast 12 Led by the Spirit to John's pantil'd Roof, Which many a vagrant Paul makes *Nonsense-Proof.

C2. nonsense book n. a book of nonsense or nonsense verses.
1874 Atlantic Monthly Sept. 372/2 We like its free range{em}from the Iliad to the children's *Nonsense Book. 2001 Guardian (Nexis) 20 Apr., Godfrey [suggested] to John Lennon an animated version of his nonsense book, A Spaniard in the Works.

nonsense poetry n. (originally) whimsical or nonsensical verse; (later) the genre of poetry that includes nonsense verse such as limericks, as well as looser poetic forms.
1851 Harper's Mag. Aug. 378 We strolled in the evening through the fields and woods..as I poured forth the popular love and *nonsense poetry of the time. 1899 New Cent. Rev. Jan. 30 What it is that constitutes successful nonsense poetry it is impossible to say, but all can distinguish the true article when they see it. 1938 L. MACNEICE Mod. Poetry x. 182 Lear's nonsense poetry is the last flare-up of romanticism. 1998 M. DELVILLE Amer. Prose Poem III. vi. 189 The nonsense poetry of French Dadaist Tristan Tzara.

nonsense syllable n. a syllable formed by putting an arbitrary vowel between two arbitrary consonants, used in memory experiments and tests.
1885 Mind 10 457 The saving of time effected in re-learning 104 *nonsense syllables after various intervals. 1996 Science 13 Dec. 1849 Eight-month-old infants exposed for only 2 min to unbroken strings of nonsense syllables (for example, ‘bidakupado..’) are able to detect the difference.

nonsense word n. a word having no accepted meaning; (also) = nonsense syllable n.
1846 Blackwood's Edinb. Mag. Oct. 500/2 He sang one of those charming little Tiranas, to which he improvised the usual *nonsense words as he proceeded. 1919 J. B. WATSON Psychol. ix. 336 Nonsense words or syllables are made by separating two consonants with a vowel as ver, gax and moc. 1954 J. R. R. TOLKIEN Fellowship of Ring I. vi. 130 Out of a long string of nonsense-words (or so they seemed) the voice rose up loud and clear. 1990 Internat. Rev. Appl. Linguistics 28 296 A series of experiments on nonsense words{em}some pronounceable, some unpronounceable for particular language speakers (e.g. sland vs. ndasl).

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[halil]

Table 1.1 Pre-1974 ownership of land in Cyprus (including the SBAs) based on the Greek Cypriot Lands and Surveys Department figures



Ownership ..........................Area in donums.......................... %
Private................................5,067,572................................73.3
State forests,
state lands, roads,
rivers, etc..........................1,847,820 ..............................26.7


Table 1.2 Pre-1974 distribution of private ownership by community based on the Greek Cypriot Lands and Surveys Department figures (includes land in the SBAs)


Private Ownership ..............................Area in donums....................%
GC(Church properties included)............4,123,711..........................81.4
TC(Evkaf properties included)...............852,455...........................16.8
Other communities
(Armenians, Maronites, etc.).................91,406...........................1.8


Table 1.3 Pre-1974 ownership of land in Cyprus (including the SBAs) based on the Turkish Cypriot Cartography Department records


Private Ownership ...........................Area in donums..................... %
Private.............................................5,067,572...........................73.3
State forests, state lands,
roads, rivers, etc..............................1,847,932...........................26.7

Table 1.4 Pre-1974 distribution of private ownership by community based on the Turkish Cypriot Cartography Department records (includes land in the SBAs)

Private ownership ........................Area in donums....................%

GC (Church properties included).......3,624,754 .......................71.5
TC(Evkaf properties included)...........1,352,792........................26.7
Other communities
(Armenians, Maronites, etc.).............90,026............................1.8

For the total area of privately owned land in 1974, the Turkish Cypriot data (Table 1.3) are exactly the same as the Greek Cypriot data (Table 1.1): 5,067,572 donums or 73.3% of the total land of Cyprus. However, when it comes to the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot shares of private ownership, the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot estimates (in Tables 1.2 and 1.4, respectively) are considerably different. According to the Turkish Cypriot data (Table 1.4), of the total privately owned land in 1974, only 71.5% belonged to Greek Cypriots (considerably lower than the Greek Cypriot estimate) and as much as 26.7% belonged to Turkish Cypriots (considerably higher than the Greek Cypriot estimate). The discrepancy between the Greek Cypriot (Table 1.2) and Turkish Cypriot (Table 1.4) data with regard to the two communities’ shares of private ownership amounts to about 500,000 donums, or 10% of all private lands in 1974.
Before ending this review of the contested facts and figures, it will be useful to look at the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot estimates of land ownership for the areas delineated after 1974, that is, on the two sides of and within the Buffer Zone.
Table 1.5 shows the estimates of the Greek Cypriot Department of Lands and Surveys and the Planning Bureau based on 1964 data.(20) Note that these figures do not include the land in the SBAs. The shaded areas refer to the privately owned lands affected by the property dispute, that is, lands outside the control of the community from which the owners (including the Church in the case of the Greek Cypriot community or the Evkaf in the case of the Turkish Cypriot community) come. Based on the data in Table 1.5, we can derive the Greek Cypriot estimates for the three current zones of the island (Table 1.6).
Tables 1.5 and 1.6 will be prepair later on .

(20) See Claire Palley, An International Relations Debacle (Oregon: Hart Publishing, 2005), p. 175. The discrepancy between the figures of Table 1.5 and those of Tables 1.1 and 1.2 is largely due to the fact that the SBAs are not considered in Table 1.5.

[Nikitas]

I ploughed through all the posts above and still cannot understand where there is even a shred of evidence taht Varosha was built on Evkaf land.

Varosha was visited in 1878 by Thompson. A whole town was built by squatters on Evkaf land during the Ottoman occupaton and no one objected till now!!!!!!

Now just think what you look like when you make such assertions. In case you cannot guess I will tell you, you look like a pimp.

[YFred]

I ploughed through all the posts above and still cannot understand where there is even a shred of evidence taht Varosha was built on Evkaf land.

Varosha was visited in 1878 by Thompson. A whole town was built by squatters on Evkaf land during the Ottoman occupaton and no one objected till now!!!!!!

Now just think what you look like when you make such assertions. In case you cannot guess I will tell you, you look like a pimp.

Don't worry, Talat has all the evidence and it will be at the negotiating table.

[Get Real!]

I ploughed through all the posts above and still cannot understand where there is even a shred of evidence taht Varosha was built on Evkaf land.

Varosha was visited in 1878 by Thompson. A whole town was built by squatters on Evkaf land during the Ottoman occupaton and no one objected till now!!!!!!

Now just think what you look like when you make such assertions. In case you cannot guess I will tell you, you look like a pimp.

Don't worry, Talat has all the evidence and it will be at the negotiating table.

Personal gratification fantasies from Y-Fronts as per usual…

Still waiting for you to contribute something factual and interesting…

[YFred]

I ploughed through all the posts above and still cannot understand where there is even a shred of evidence taht Varosha was built on Evkaf land.

Varosha was visited in 1878 by Thompson. A whole town was built by squatters on Evkaf land during the Ottoman occupaton and no one objected till now!!!!!!

Now just think what you look like when you make such assertions. In case you cannot guess I will tell you, you look like a pimp.

Don't worry, Talat has all the evidence and it will be at the negotiating table.

Personal gratification fantasies from Y-Fronts as per usual…

Still waiting for you to contribute something factual and interesting…

Ise Budana chubuki re garo. Is that factual and interesting enough for you.

[Get Real!]

I ploughed through all the posts above and still cannot understand where there is even a shred of evidence taht Varosha was built on Evkaf land.

Varosha was visited in 1878 by Thompson. A whole town was built by squatters on Evkaf land during the Ottoman occupaton and no one objected till now!!!!!!

Now just think what you look like when you make such assertions. In case you cannot guess I will tell you, you look like a pimp.

Don't worry, Talat has all the evidence and it will be at the negotiating table.

Personal gratification fantasies from Y-Fronts as per usual…

Still waiting for you to contribute something factual and interesting…

Ise Budana chubuki re garo. Is that factual and interesting enough for you.

Nah, it's just stupid.

[YFred]

I ploughed through all the posts above and still cannot understand where there is even a shred of evidence taht Varosha was built on Evkaf land.

Varosha was visited in 1878 by Thompson. A whole town was built by squatters on Evkaf land during the Ottoman occupaton and no one objected till now!!!!!!

Now just think what you look like when you make such assertions. In case you cannot guess I will tell you, you look like a pimp.

Don't worry, Talat has all the evidence and it will be at the negotiating table.

Personal gratification fantasies from Y-Fronts as per usual…

Still waiting for you to contribute something factual and interesting…

Ise Budana chubuki re garo. Is that factual and interesting enough for you.

Nah, it's just stupid.

Yeah, but is it more or less stupid then Y-fronts?