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[Viewpoint]

YFred they think that because they have been here longer they have more rights, just like a 70yo has more rights over a 18yo, pathetic really.

Sad but true.

And we expect people with this mindset to administer as Kikapu puts it True Deomcracy and Human Rights for all, fat chnace they have to be forced to do the right thing and pay the price if they do not because we cannot entrust our future into their devious hands.

[Get Real!]

GCs can't have it both ways, on one side to wish for every one to have their land back and the other none if it belonged to Efkaf. Yeah right.

But there is absolutely no such thing as Efkaf Land registered under the 1960 Zurich Agreements or Cyprus Land Reigistry.....

Which is why we have two different land registry offices. As Efkaf and their lands exist to this day, it's a bit like Ercan airport. It doesn't exist in the minds of GCs, try googleing it. The reality is different. The negotiations will prove how much Efkaf has.

Denktash said that Efkaf Land does not exist and so I am prepared to take his word for it on this occasion and add to the fact that there is no agreement that stipulates the existence of Efkaf Land anywhere.

In my mind I could say that I own all the land in Paphos as well, but that still does not make it so....

If Efkaf lands can be taken by the British and given to the GCs, and it is acceptable, then there is nothing wrong with the Turks taking GC land and giving it to the TCs. That should also be acceptable. You can't change the rules as you go along.

These “Evkaf lands” (read fantasy lands) you mention is the product of the Ottoman violation of Cypriot territory starting from 1570, so your argument is a load of ILLEGAL crap.

I hate to say so but some of you in this forum have a compulsive habit to talk out of your ass. Of course there is private property in Cyprus registered under EVKA's name, just like there is also Church land! Even now -as we speak, there are properties in the RoC land registry, both north and south, that belong to Evkaf and are registered under its name. Denktash and Kutchuk (on behalf of Evkaf,) took money from the British in 1959, not to wave Evkaf's rights out of all of Evkaf properties, but only out of those properties that Evkaf claimed they used to belong to them during the Ottoman years and which the British had appropriated in the early 1900's. The deal did not affect any Evkaf properties already registered under its name in 1959 by the colonial land registry, and which subsequently became the LR of the RoC in 1060. Such properties remained in Evkaf's name, they still continue to this day to be in Evkaf's name, and they are calculated as part of the private property belonging to the members of the TC community, along with the rest of individual TC properties.

Why don’t you do your research and find out exactly what the nature of this “Evkaf land” was all about and how this theft started BEFORE you open your mouth and come and play Donktosh with me...

All “Evkaf land” is STOLEN Cypriot land by the Ottoman invaders starting from 1570 and how the Ottomans “justified” their theft is besides the point, but thankfully the British administration had set the record straight when in 1944 they passed the "Immovable Property Law” which returned the great majority of this stolen land back to the Greek Cypriots.

[Kifeas]

“Get Real,” I can assure you the last thing I care is to play anything with you, set aside what you suggested! The only thing I did was to correct the nonsense you and Paphitis keep repeating, namely that there is no such a thing as Evkaf land or properties in Cyprus, simply because the truth is that there is such land registered in the RoC land registry, even now as we speak! Now, if the case is as you describe it, i.e. that they are all in fact stolen properties, then you need to also explain to us why the British did not take all of the Evkaf properties with the law they passed in 1944, and instead only a portion of it. Furthermore, you need to explain to us why the RoC continues to this day to recognize the properties under Evkaf's name, as they were registered in the Land Registry it inherited from the British in 1960, if they were all stolen by the Ottomans properties. Is the RoC covering up theft too?

Since you claim you have researched the matter, would you care tell and enlighten us how the Ottomans stole and then justified their theft, and also what this 1944 British "immovable property law" says? Can you also explain to us, since you have researched the matter, what the status of property ownership in Cyprus was in 1571, when the Ottoman invaded? Can you also explain how the GO Church of Cyprus became the single biggest land owner in Cyprus? Can you please be specific and with quotes and sources if possible, so as to avoid being blamed by me or anybody else that you do not know what you are saying, and instead talk out of your bottom or make up things as you go?

[bill cobbett]

To my mind the RoC Land Registry Department is the definitive authority on all matters of land ownership, as to who owns what. It must be as plain and simple as that.

All must submit to the greater authority of The Keepers of The Kochans that are the District Officers of the Dept of Lands and Surveys in this and other immovable property matters.

[YFred]

To my mind the RoC Land Registry Department is the definitive authority on all matters of land ownership, as to who owns what. It must be as plain and simple as that.

All must submit to the greater authority of The Keepers of The Kochans that are the District Officers of the Dept of Lands and Surveys in this and other immovable property matters.

Firstly that is a major assumption that you have one, and secondly ask some of the TC forumers how good this glorious government organisation is at confirming a TC kotchan. Three years and counting. I suspect the poor man has to go to Athens on a donkey to check it!

[halil]

1977 Makarios-Denktas Accords

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/58.htm

After intensive efforts by Waldheim, Makarios and Denktas met on January 27, 1977, the first meeting between the two men since the Turkish Cypriots had withdrawn from the government of the republic in 1964. By then Makarios was leaning toward negotiation on the basis of a bizonal federation, provided that there be some Turkish Cypriot territorial concessions. He continued to insist on a strong central government and freedom of movement for all Cypriots. He demanded 80 percent of the territory, proportionate to the size of the Greek Cypriot population, but indicated that he might accept 75 percent if it included Varosha, the formerly prosperous tourist area of Famagusta to which 35,000 Greek Cypriots wanted to return. Denktas apparently indicated readiness to consider about 68 percent.

[bill cobbett]

To my mind the RoC Land Registry Department is the definitive authority on all matters of land ownership, as to who owns what. It must be as plain and simple as that.

All must submit to the greater authority of The Keepers of The Kochans that are the District Officers of the Dept of Lands and Surveys in this and other immovable property matters.

Firstly that is a major assumption that you have one, and secondly ask some of the TC forumers how good this glorious government organisation is at confirming a TC kotchan. Three years and counting. I suspect the poor man has to go to Athens on a donkey to check it!

What's that got to do with the OP?

[bill cobbett]

1977 Makarios-Denktas Accords

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/58.htm

After intensive efforts by Waldheim, Makarios and Denktas met on January 27, 1977, the first meeting between the two men since the Turkish Cypriots had withdrawn from the government of the republic in 1964. By then Makarios was leaning toward negotiation on the basis of a bizonal federation, provided that there be some Turkish Cypriot territorial concessions. He continued to insist on a strong central government and freedom of movement for all Cypriots. He demanded 80 percent of the territory, proportionate to the size of the Greek Cypriot population, but indicated that he might accept 75 percent if it included Varosha, the formerly prosperous tourist area of Famagusta to which 35,000 Greek Cypriots wanted to return. Denktas apparently indicated readiness to consider about 68 percent.

What's this got to do with your OP?

[RichardB]

1977 Makarios-Denktas Accords

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/58.htm

After intensive efforts by Waldheim, Makarios and Denktas met on January 27, 1977, the first meeting between the two men since the Turkish Cypriots had withdrawn from the government of the republic in 1964. By then Makarios was leaning toward negotiation on the basis of a bizonal federation, provided that there be some Turkish Cypriot territorial concessions. He continued to insist on a strong central government and freedom of movement for all Cypriots. He demanded 80 percent of the territory, proportionate to the size of the Greek Cypriot population, but indicated that he might accept 75 percent if it included Varosha, the formerly prosperous tourist area of Famagusta to which 35,000 Greek Cypriots wanted to return. Denktas apparently indicated readiness to consider about 68 percent.

What's this got to do with your OP?

Halil ........OP!!! I dont think one of those exist

You mean C/P

[Oracle]

Piss off with your pseudo - quasi religious pretender secularists property-fortune making ventures.

Europe is not fooled .....

Money grabbing land stealing Turks out of Cyprus ...

End of!