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[Viewpoint]

From the moment Turkey is a member of the UN and an aspiring member of the EU, no, she does not have the right not to recognize another existing member of the two organizations, and it is totally absurd to claim that such a member entity (RoC) does not exist! I am afraid the two notions are mutually exclusive, and to claim the opposite is a totally irrational approach.

If the RoC does not exist -as its membership is recognized by both the UN and the EU, then, neither the UN nor the EU exist; therefore Turkey is a member of a non-existing organization (UN,) and has also applied to become a member of another, equally non-existing organization (EU.)

If you are unable to understand the hilariousness of Turkey’s schizophrenic claims and theories, then I am afraid you nothing more than an irrational individual.

All of what you are saying really doesnt matter or have any effect at the current time. It will only really mean anything at the end of this year when Turkey has to either open her ports to you guys or take the consequencies form the EU. I think she will opt for a compromise and open maybe 1 port in return for easing of isolation on the north, otherwise her Eu aspirations will be placed in teh fridge where they will never see the light of day Where will that leave you GCs? no leverage left, will you then try to join the USA?

First of all, I do not believe the ROC will let Turkey off the hook so easily by accepting only 1 port as a compromise and lift some restrictions on the north and I also do not believe, that the EU will accept it either. That would be setting a bad precedence by allowing outside EU countries by treating EU member countries differently by dictating who can have what and how much. Lets not forget who is in the driver’s seat here between Turkey and the EU. It is not Turkey, just in case you were wondering what the correct answer was.!

By Turkey being in the "fridge" for not fulfilling her obligations in joining the EU will not put Cyprus in anymore “weaker” position that they are right now, since there are many other larger and more powerful countries that do not want Turkey in the EU club, therefore Cyprus is just one of many who hold the key to Turkey's entry possibilities. They may in fact be at the bottom of the list actually in having any influence in Turkey rejection in becoming a member. Cyprus in fact, openly support Turkey's EU entry, but not without conditions, of course.!

The way I see it, Cyprus will become the main influence regarding EU-Turkey future agreements over other countries in the EU club if the EU rejects Turkey's application as a full EU member, but relegated to EU privileged member, which will be short of a full membership, which almost all EU members will vote for, including such present hardliners like Germany, France, Austria, Netherlands and few others who are the "closet objectors". Without satisfactory results from Turkey on the Cyprus issue to satisfy the RoC, the RoC will become the most powerful EU member to deny Turkey to attain the EU privileged membership, therefore, I cannot agree with your assumption that if Turkey's EU chances are "frozen" that it will leave the RoC powerless. It will in fact make the RoC even more powerful if and when Turkey should accept to become a privileged EU member over a full membership for some determined time before becoming a full member.

If by chance Turkey should decide to forgo the privileged membership EU status, then nothing has been lost for the RoC from what it is today. The time will always be on the Cyprus's side to “wait out” Turkey when it comes to the EU membership, regardless of Turkey's 70 Million population that you think the EU desperately needs for their market. 2004 has changed everything by "levelling the playing field" between Cyprus and Turkey, no matter how hard you may want to try and dismiss such reality, just because you do not want to accept the facts, but only your wishful fantasies.!

Its obvious from this post that you are clutching at straws because a Turkey without EU aspirations means no leverage for the GCs, they may continue to whore themselves out to France and Germany plus a few more allowing her to think she has power but is really dong their dirty work for keeping Turkey out but ultimately a disgruntled Turkey means less weight for the GC who will not have the opportunity to veto anything about Turkey as she will no longer be putting herself up for assessment and would have understood like I have always stated she is not a European country and will never become a full member of the EU.

Do you really believe a Turkey with no desire to join the EU will be interested in solving the Cyprus issue? If the GCs cannot see this is not the best scenario for them then I have greatly overestimated their intelligence.

[YFred]

From the moment Turkey is a member of the UN and an aspiring member of the EU, no, she does not have the right not to recognize another existing member of the two organizations, and it is totally absurd to claim that such a member entity (RoC) does not exist! I am afraid the two notions are mutually exclusive, and to claim the opposite is a totally irrational approach.

If the RoC does not exist -as its membership is recognized by both the UN and the EU, then, neither the UN nor the EU exist; therefore Turkey is a member of a non-existing organization (UN,) and has also applied to become a member of another, equally non-existing organization (EU.)

If you are unable to understand the hilariousness of Turkey’s schizophrenic claims and theories, then I am afraid you nothing more than an irrational individual.

All of what you are saying really doesnt matter or have any effect at the current time. It will only really mean anything at the end of this year when Turkey has to either open her ports to you guys or take the consequencies form the EU. I think she will opt for a compromise and open maybe 1 port in return for easing of isolation on the north, otherwise her Eu aspirations will be placed in teh fridge where they will never see the light of day Where will that leave you GCs? no leverage left, will you then try to join the USA?

First of all, I do not believe the ROC will let Turkey off the hook so easily by accepting only 1 port as a compromise and lift some restrictions on the north and I also do not believe, that the EU will accept it either. That would be setting a bad precedence by allowing outside EU countries by treating EU member countries differently by dictating who can have what and how much. Lets not forget who is in the driver’s seat here between Turkey and the EU. It is not Turkey, just in case you were wondering what the correct answer was.!

By Turkey being in the "fridge" for not fulfilling her obligations in joining the EU will not put Cyprus in anymore “weaker” position that they are right now, since there are many other larger and more powerful countries that do not want Turkey in the EU club, therefore Cyprus is just one of many who hold the key to Turkey's entry possibilities. They may in fact be at the bottom of the list actually in having any influence in Turkey rejection in becoming a member. Cyprus in fact, openly support Turkey's EU entry, but not without conditions, of course.!

The way I see it, Cyprus will become the main influence regarding EU-Turkey future agreements over other countries in the EU club if the EU rejects Turkey's application as a full EU member, but relegated to EU privileged member, which will be short of a full membership, which almost all EU members will vote for, including such present hardliners like Germany, France, Austria, Netherlands and few others who are the "closet objectors". Without satisfactory results from Turkey on the Cyprus issue to satisfy the RoC, the RoC will become the most powerful EU member to deny Turkey to attain the EU privileged membership, therefore, I cannot agree with your assumption that if Turkey's EU chances are "frozen" that it will leave the RoC powerless. It will in fact make the RoC even more powerful if and when Turkey should accept to become a privileged EU member over a full membership for some determined time before becoming a full member.

If by chance Turkey should decide to forego the privileged membership EU status, then nothing has been lost for the RoC from what it is today. The time will always be on the Cyprus's side to “wait out” Turkey when it comes to the EU membership, regardless of Turkey's 70 Million population that you think the EU desperately needs for their market. 2004 has changed everything by "levelling the playing field" between Cyprus and Turkey, no matter how hard you may want to try and dismiss such reality, just because you do not want to accept the facts, but only your wishful fantasies.!

Kiks, Turkey is already a special privileged member as we speak. She has been a member of the Customs Union since mid 90s which gives full access for trade with the EU. She has no interest other than full membership. The moment the discussions on full membership stops the negotiations will also stop which will relegate RoC to an annoying Mosquito on her backside at worst which can be contained very easily with the right deodorant containing insect repellent as we all know.
As to the importance of RoC in the EU, please no more we had enough laughs for one day. Thanks.

[Get Real!]

As to the importance of RoC in the EU, please no more we had enough laughs for one day. Thanks.

Which can only lead one to imagine how unimportant Turkish Cypriots must be in the world...

[YFred]

As to the importance of RoC in the EU, please no more we had enough laughs for one day. Thanks.

Which can only lead one to imagine how unimportant Turkish Cypriots must be in the world...

Yes, we are about the same in proportion.

[Get Real!]

As to the importance of RoC in the EU, please no more we had enough laughs for one day. Thanks.

Which can only lead one to imagine how unimportant Turkish Cypriots must be in the world...

Yes, we are about the same in proportion.

Let us know when you're ready to take us for a free tour of your mind so we can buckle up...

[YFred]

As to the importance of RoC in the EU, please no more we had enough laughs for one day. Thanks.

Which can only lead one to imagine how unimportant Turkish Cypriots must be in the world...

Yes, we are about the same in proportion.

Let us know when you're ready to take us for a free tour of your mind so we can buckle up...

There is nothing free in this world, but never the less clonk click every trip and all that.

[Kikapu]

From the moment Turkey is a member of the UN and an aspiring member of the EU, no, she does not have the right not to recognize another existing member of the two organizations, and it is totally absurd to claim that such a member entity (RoC) does not exist! I am afraid the two notions are mutually exclusive, and to claim the opposite is a totally irrational approach.

If the RoC does not exist -as its membership is recognized by both the UN and the EU, then, neither the UN nor the EU exist; therefore Turkey is a member of a non-existing organization (UN,) and has also applied to become a member of another, equally non-existing organization (EU.)

If you are unable to understand the hilariousness of Turkey’s schizophrenic claims and theories, then I am afraid you nothing more than an irrational individual.

All of what you are saying really doesnt matter or have any effect at the current time. It will only really mean anything at the end of this year when Turkey has to either open her ports to you guys or take the consequencies form the EU. I think she will opt for a compromise and open maybe 1 port in return for easing of isolation on the north, otherwise her Eu aspirations will be placed in teh fridge where they will never see the light of day Where will that leave you GCs? no leverage left, will you then try to join the USA?

First of all, I do not believe the ROC will let Turkey off the hook so easily by accepting only 1 port as a compromise and lift some restrictions on the north and I also do not believe, that the EU will accept it either. That would be setting a bad precedence by allowing outside EU countries by treating EU member countries differently by dictating who can have what and how much. Lets not forget who is in the driver’s seat here between Turkey and the EU. It is not Turkey, just in case you were wondering what the correct answer was.!

By Turkey being in the "fridge" for not fulfilling her obligations in joining the EU will not put Cyprus in anymore “weaker” position that they are right now, since there are many other larger and more powerful countries that do not want Turkey in the EU club, therefore Cyprus is just one of many who hold the key to Turkey's entry possibilities. They may in fact be at the bottom of the list actually in having any influence in Turkey rejection in becoming a member. Cyprus in fact, openly support Turkey's EU entry, but not without conditions, of course.!

The way I see it, Cyprus will become the main influence regarding EU-Turkey future agreements over other countries in the EU club if the EU rejects Turkey's application as a full EU member, but relegated to EU privileged member, which will be short of a full membership, which almost all EU members will vote for, including such present hardliners like Germany, France, Austria, Netherlands and few others who are the "closet objectors". Without satisfactory results from Turkey on the Cyprus issue to satisfy the RoC, the RoC will become the most powerful EU member to deny Turkey to attain the EU privileged membership, therefore, I cannot agree with your assumption that if Turkey's EU chances are "frozen" that it will leave the RoC powerless. It will in fact make the RoC even more powerful if and when Turkey should accept to become a privileged EU member over a full membership for some determined time before becoming a full member.

If by chance Turkey should decide to forego the privileged membership EU status, then nothing has been lost for the RoC from what it is today. The time will always be on the Cyprus's side to “wait out” Turkey when it comes to the EU membership, regardless of Turkey's 70 Million population that you think the EU desperately needs for their market. 2004 has changed everything by "levelling the playing field" between Cyprus and Turkey, no matter how hard you may want to try and dismiss such reality, just because you do not want to accept the facts, but only your wishful fantasies.!

Kiks, Turkey is already a special privileged member as we speak. She has been a member of the Customs Union since mid 90s which gives full access for trade with the EU. She has no interest other than full membership. The moment the discussions on full membership stops the negotiations will also stop which will relegate RoC to an annoying Mosquito on her backside at worst which can be contained very easily with the right deodorant containing insect repellent as we all know.
As to the importance of RoC in the EU, please no more we had enough laughs for one day. Thanks.

Big Deal.! Every Tom, Dick and Harry has those agreements for the most part, but what I'm talking about, for example, is what Switzerland has with the EU, which is Bi-lateral agreements that makes Switzerland a "heartbeat" away from being a full member.............if Switzerland wanted to become one, that is.!

It is this kind of special privileged membership that the EU might want to offer Turkey which is nothing to sneeze at, if and when all EU members agree to it of course, including the RoC.!

The moment Turkey rejects anything but a full membership without fulfilling ALL her obligations, which one of them happens to be, that a settlement in Cyprus is part of Turkey's entrance requirements, then the EU will no longer be a very accommodating to Turkey's needs, the north will become even more isolated with it's anaemic economy becoming even more anaemic. The south will continue doing what they have been doing since 2004, and that is to strengthened their hands in the legal arena which will make Turkey's future attempts to become a full or special privileged member, even more difficult.

As I mentioned, the RoC importance will come if Turkey is rejected a full membership but may want to go for the SPM instead for a while until she can get her house in order. Other than that, the present situation will continue with the RoC as the ONLY legal entity prospering economically while the north is stuck with the "Scumdog Millionaires" like the Orams who will not be able to sell very many GC properties any longer.

[Paphitis]

From the moment Turkey is a member of the UN and an aspiring member of the EU, no, she does not have the right not to recognize another existing member of the two organizations, and it is totally absurd to claim that such a member entity (RoC) does not exist! I am afraid the two notions are mutually exclusive, and to claim the opposite is a totally irrational approach.

If the RoC does not exist -as its membership is recognized by both the UN and the EU, then, neither the UN nor the EU exist; therefore Turkey is a member of a non-existing organization (UN,) and has also applied to become a member of another, equally non-existing organization (EU.)

If you are unable to understand the hilariousness of Turkey’s schizophrenic claims and theories, then I am afraid you nothing more than an irrational individual.

All of what you are saying really doesnt matter or have any effect at the current time. It will only really mean anything at the end of this year when Turkey has to either open her ports to you guys or take the consequencies form the EU. I think she will opt for a compromise and open maybe 1 port in return for easing of isolation on the north, otherwise her Eu aspirations will be placed in teh fridge where they will never see the light of day Where will that leave you GCs? no leverage left, will you then try to join the USA?

First of all, I do not believe the ROC will let Turkey off the hook so easily by accepting only 1 port as a compromise and lift some restrictions on the north and I also do not believe, that the EU will accept it either. That would be setting a bad precedence by allowing outside EU countries by treating EU member countries differently by dictating who can have what and how much. Lets not forget who is in the driver’s seat here between Turkey and the EU. It is not Turkey, just in case you were wondering what the correct answer was.!

By Turkey being in the "fridge" for not fulfilling her obligations in joining the EU will not put Cyprus in anymore “weaker” position that they are right now, since there are many other larger and more powerful countries that do not want Turkey in the EU club, therefore Cyprus is just one of many who hold the key to Turkey's entry possibilities. They may in fact be at the bottom of the list actually in having any influence in Turkey rejection in becoming a member. Cyprus in fact, openly support Turkey's EU entry, but not without conditions, of course.!

The way I see it, Cyprus will become the main influence regarding EU-Turkey future agreements over other countries in the EU club if the EU rejects Turkey's application as a full EU member, but relegated to EU privileged member, which will be short of a full membership, which almost all EU members will vote for, including such present hardliners like Germany, France, Austria, Netherlands and few others who are the "closet objectors". Without satisfactory results from Turkey on the Cyprus issue to satisfy the RoC, the RoC will become the most powerful EU member to deny Turkey to attain the EU privileged membership, therefore, I cannot agree with your assumption that if Turkey's EU chances are "frozen" that it will leave the RoC powerless. It will in fact make the RoC even more powerful if and when Turkey should accept to become a privileged EU member over a full membership for some determined time before becoming a full member.

If by chance Turkey should decide to forgo the privileged membership EU status, then nothing has been lost for the RoC from what it is today. The time will always be on the Cyprus's side to “wait out” Turkey when it comes to the EU membership, regardless of Turkey's 70 Million population that you think the EU desperately needs for their market. 2004 has changed everything by "levelling the playing field" between Cyprus and Turkey, no matter how hard you may want to try and dismiss such reality, just because you do not want to accept the facts, but only your wishful fantasies.!

Its obvious from this post that you are clutching at straws because a Turkey without EU aspirations means no leverage for the GCs, they may continue to whore themselves out to France and Germany plus a few more allowing her to think she has power but is really dong their dirty work for keeping Turkey out but ultimately a disgruntled Turkey means less weight for the GC who will not have the opportunity to veto anything about Turkey as she will no longer be putting herself up for assessment and would have understood like I have always stated she is not a European country and will never become a full member of the EU.

Do you really believe a Turkey with no desire to join the EU will be interested in solving the Cyprus issue? If the GCs cannot see this is not the best scenario for them then I have greatly overestimated their intelligence.

Here is the thing VP. Turkey is not even in control of herself, because quite clearly the Turkish generals may think they have control and influence but at the end of the day the real power that is throwing her weight around is none other than the US. It is the US which will leave Turkey with absolutely no choice but to continue down the path of full EU accession, and I don't think that Turkey is in any position to disobey the real master. And since Turkey MUST continue on with her EU aspirations, it will no doubt also be forced to comply with numerous EU directives such as opening the ports and airspace to Cypriot registered ships and aircraft.

Why do you think Turkey is so interested in introducing time lines in the current peace negotiations? It is because they are eager to wrap things up and to legitimising her gains so that it may then open her ports and airspace. However, the RoC is not in any hurry in this point in time and looks to be standing her ground reasonably well, which means that it will not cave in to Turkey's demands and then make Turkey's EU entry much easier.

And as the deadlines fall due and Turkey continues to play hard ball, then expect Unkie Obama to visit Ankara was again in order to give your Parliamentarians another good dressing down and lecture about the Armenian Genocide, The Cyprus Issue and much more....

Turkey can not withdraw from her EU path even if it wanted to. Because if Turkey could, then the Generals would have done so a long time ago because of their special status within the state's constitution which will no doubt be on the line as Turkey moves closer and closer to EU accession...

[Byron]

the fact that we were chasing each other behaving like Latin American revolutionaries had again nothing to do with Turkey invading.

Was the Greek Junta and EOKA B backed by most of the citizens of Greece and Cyprus? No it wasnt. So why do you use the word 'we'??

The Greek government has tried to make positive steps in the reunification of the island and peace between the communities like government sponsored peace programmes for GC and TC youth.

Has Turkey ever even offered such a genuine gesture??

It is customary that when one refers to his nations achievements , embarrassments or catastrophes one uses the terms WE , such as , we won the cup , we came second , we produce the best Halloumi , but not all of us are in the dairy industry and not all of us were in EOKA B , so cut out the smart arse comments. We are responsible of ALL of our misdemeanours not the bloody yanks or the Brits . The dreaded "Greek decease of americanico daxtilo lives on and on .....

I think it is more a case of your poor command of English - we, we, we more like you, you, you and only you !

[paliometoxo]

turkey rejects anything non turkish