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TURKEY REJECTS COURT RULING ON CYPRUS PROPERTY CASE AS "ATTEMPT TO HURT" PEACE TALKS

Ehestikamen!

Exactly!

[Kifeas]

http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2274739/-dip- ... eace-Talks

"ANKARA (A.A) - 15.05.2009 - Turkey rejected a decision by Europe's highest court for the return of land which remained in Turkish Cyprus after 1974 as "hurting" ongoing peace talks.
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"'Cyprus Republic' does not exist anymore as a partnership state which was founded in 1960, and the Greek Cypriots do not have any jurisdiction over Turkish Cypriots nor authority to represent the entire island," the statement said.
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In view of the fact that both the UN and the EU, not only do not share at all but also tend to make a mockery of Turkey’s above claims, I wonder why Turkey continues to be a member of the UN -set aside a (now) member of the UN SC that issued numerous resolutions blatantly contradicting her theories; but more so, why has Turkey applied and aspires to become a member of a club (EU) in which a non-existing entity (RoC -according to her theory) is already a member and will have to be consulted in evaluating and approving Turkey’s membership application?

“Welcome to the land of lunacy," as one Turkish journalist wrote the other day, in a Hurriyet article.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opin ... 90&gid=260

PS: Honestly, if I were a citizen of Turkey, I would have been very ashamed to be governed by such ridiculously hilarious politicians and bureaucrats.

[miltiades]

the fact that we were chasing each other behaving like Latin American revolutionaries had again nothing to do with Turkey invading.

Was the Greek Junta and EOKA B backed by most of the citizens of Greece and Cyprus? No it wasnt. So why do you use the word 'we'??

The Greek government has tried to make positive steps in the reunification of the island and peace between the communities like government sponsored peace programmes for GC and TC youth.

Has Turkey ever even offered such a genuine gesture??

It is customary that when one refers to his nations achievements , embarrassments or catastrophes one uses the terms WE , such as , we won the cup , we came second , we produce the best Halloumi , but not all of us are in the dairy industry and not all of us were in EOKA B , so cut out the smart arse comments. We are responsible of ALL of our misdemeanours not the bloody yanks or the Brits . The dreaded "Greek decease of americanico daxtilo lives on and on .....

[Viewpoint]

http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2274739/-dip--Turkey-Rejects-Court-Ruling-On-Cyprus-Property-Case-As--Attempt-To-Hurt--Peace-Talks

"ANKARA (A.A) - 15.05.2009 - Turkey rejected a decision by Europe's highest court for the return of land which remained in Turkish Cyprus after 1974 as "hurting" ongoing peace talks.
..........
"'Cyprus Republic' does not exist anymore as a partnership state which was founded in 1960, and the Greek Cypriots do not have any jurisdiction over Turkish Cypriots nor authority to represent the entire island," the statement said.
........."


In view of the fact that both the UN and the EU, not only do not share at all but also tend to make a mockery of Turkey’s above claims, I wonder why Turkey continues to be a member of the UN -set aside a (now) member of the UN SC that issued numerous resolutions blatantly contradicting her theories; but more so, why has Turkey applied and aspires to become a member of a club (EU) in which a non-existing entity (RoC -according to her theory) is already a member and will have to be consulted in evaluating and approving Turkey’s membership application?

“Welcome to the land of lunacy," as one Turkish journalist wrote the other day, in a Hurriyet article.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opin ... 90&gid=260

PS: Honestly, if I were a citizen of Turkey, I would have been very ashamed to be governed by such ridiculously hilarious politicians and bureaucrats.

Has Turkey the right not to recognize the GC south in its current form? Clearly there are areas which have been breached in the 1960 constitution which the GC run gun shot over "out of necessity" which in real terms means you have a state without a heart being the TCs.

[Kifeas]

http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2274739/-dip--Turkey-Rejects-Court-Ruling-On-Cyprus-Property-Case-As--Attempt-To-Hurt--Peace-Talks

"ANKARA (A.A) - 15.05.2009 - Turkey rejected a decision by Europe's highest court for the return of land which remained in Turkish Cyprus after 1974 as "hurting" ongoing peace talks.
..........
"'Cyprus Republic' does not exist anymore as a partnership state which was founded in 1960, and the Greek Cypriots do not have any jurisdiction over Turkish Cypriots nor authority to represent the entire island," the statement said.
........."


In view of the fact that both the UN and the EU, not only do not share at all but also tend to make a mockery of Turkey’s above claims, I wonder why Turkey continues to be a member of the UN -set aside a (now) member of the UN SC that issued numerous resolutions blatantly contradicting her theories; but more so, why has Turkey applied and aspires to become a member of a club (EU) in which a non-existing entity (RoC -according to her theory) is already a member and will have to be consulted in evaluating and approving Turkey’s membership application?

“Welcome to the land of lunacy," as one Turkish journalist wrote the other day, in a Hurriyet article.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opin ... 90&gid=260

PS: Honestly, if I were a citizen of Turkey, I would have been very ashamed to be governed by such ridiculously hilarious politicians and bureaucrats.

Has Turkey the right not to recognize the GC south in its current form? Clearly there are areas which have been breached in the 1960 constitution which the GC run gun shot over "out of necessity" which in real terms means you have a state without a heart being the TCs.

From the moment Turkey is a member of the UN and an aspiring member of the EU, no, she does not have the right not to recognize another existing member of the two organizations, and it is totally absurd to claim that such a member entity (RoC) does not exist! I am afraid the two notions are mutually exclusive, and to claim the opposite is a totally irrational approach.

If the RoC does not exist -as its membership is recognized by both the UN and the EU, then, neither the UN nor the EU exist; therefore Turkey is a member of a non-existing organization (UN,) and has also applied to become a member of another, equally non-existing organization (EU.)

If you are unable to understand the hilariousness of Turkey’s schizophrenic claims and theories, then I am afraid you nothing more than an irrational individual.

[Viewpoint]

http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2274739/-dip--Turkey-Rejects-Court-Ruling-On-Cyprus-Property-Case-As--Attempt-To-Hurt--Peace-Talks

"ANKARA (A.A) - 15.05.2009 - Turkey rejected a decision by Europe's highest court for the return of land which remained in Turkish Cyprus after 1974 as "hurting" ongoing peace talks.
..........
"'Cyprus Republic' does not exist anymore as a partnership state which was founded in 1960, and the Greek Cypriots do not have any jurisdiction over Turkish Cypriots nor authority to represent the entire island," the statement said.
........."


In view of the fact that both the UN and the EU, not only do not share at all but also tend to make a mockery of Turkey’s above claims, I wonder why Turkey continues to be a member of the UN -set aside a (now) member of the UN SC that issued numerous resolutions blatantly contradicting her theories; but more so, why has Turkey applied and aspires to become a member of a club (EU) in which a non-existing entity (RoC -according to her theory) is already a member and will have to be consulted in evaluating and approving Turkey’s membership application?

“Welcome to the land of lunacy," as one Turkish journalist wrote the other day, in a Hurriyet article.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/opin ... 90&gid=260

PS: Honestly, if I were a citizen of Turkey, I would have been very ashamed to be governed by such ridiculously hilarious politicians and bureaucrats.

Has Turkey the right not to recognize the GC south in its current form? Clearly there are areas which have been breached in the 1960 constitution which the GC run gun shot over "out of necessity" which in real terms means you have a state without a heart being the TCs.

From the moment Turkey is a member of the UN and an aspiring member of the EU, no, she does not have the right not to recognize another existing member of the two organizations, and it is totally absurd to claim that such a member entity (RoC) does not exist! I am afraid the two notions are mutually exclusive, and to claim the opposite is a totally irrational approach.

If the RoC does not exist -as its membership is recognized by both the UN and the EU, then, neither the UN nor the EU exist; therefore Turkey is a member of a non-existing organization (UN,) and has also applied to become a member of another, equally non-existing organization (EU.)

If you are unable to understand the hilariousness of Turkey’s schizophrenic claims and theories, then I am afraid you nothing more than an irrational individual.

All of what you are saying really doesnt matter or have any effect at the current time. It will only really mean anything at the end of this year when Turkey has to either open her ports to you guys or take the consequencies form the EU. I think she will opt for a compromise and open maybe 1 port in return for easing of isolation on the north, otherwise her Eu aspirations will be placed in teh fridge where they will never see the light of day Where will that leave you GCs? no leverage left, will you then try to join the USA?

[paliometoxo]

of course turkey rejects it.. they only chose which laws they follow then expect to join eu

[humanist]

Not a big thorn at all ........ Turkey has the choice to remove its troops immediately and for the TC's to join Cyprus as a United Country and live peacefully. Turkey chooses to violate human rights and therefore Cypriots are fighting back to keep their homes and that is through court cases.

Turkey needs to keep out of this and she will be invited to join the elite group which fails Cyprus each day as they still continue to have trade with Turkey which occupies one of its territories

[Viewpoint]

Not a big thorn at all ........ Turkey has the choice to remove its troops immediately and for the TC's to join Cyprus as a United Country and live peacefully. Turkey chooses to violate human rights and therefore Cypriots are fighting back to keep their homes and that is through court cases.

Turkey needs to keep out of this and she will be invited to join the elite group which fails Cyprus each day as they still continue to have trade with Turkey which occupies one of its territories

Welcome to the real world, other EU members do not give a shit about 800.000 spoilt GCs whining on about a trade partner of 70.000.000+, they will keep on selling you out to the highest bidder until the time is right for them and what they want to do, not what you want to do.

[Kikapu]

From the moment Turkey is a member of the UN and an aspiring member of the EU, no, she does not have the right not to recognize another existing member of the two organizations, and it is totally absurd to claim that such a member entity (RoC) does not exist! I am afraid the two notions are mutually exclusive, and to claim the opposite is a totally irrational approach.

If the RoC does not exist -as its membership is recognized by both the UN and the EU, then, neither the UN nor the EU exist; therefore Turkey is a member of a non-existing organization (UN,) and has also applied to become a member of another, equally non-existing organization (EU.)

If you are unable to understand the hilariousness of Turkey’s schizophrenic claims and theories, then I am afraid you nothing more than an irrational individual.

All of what you are saying really doesnt matter or have any effect at the current time. It will only really mean anything at the end of this year when Turkey has to either open her ports to you guys or take the consequencies form the EU. I think she will opt for a compromise and open maybe 1 port in return for easing of isolation on the north, otherwise her Eu aspirations will be placed in teh fridge where they will never see the light of day Where will that leave you GCs? no leverage left, will you then try to join the USA?

First of all, I do not believe the ROC will let Turkey off the hook so easily by accepting only 1 port as a compromise and lift some restrictions on the north and I also do not believe, that the EU will accept it either. That would be setting a bad precedence by allowing outside EU countries by treating EU member countries differently by dictating who can have what and how much. Lets not forget who is in the driver’s seat here between Turkey and the EU. It is not Turkey, just in case you were wondering what the correct answer was.!

By Turkey being in the "fridge" for not fulfilling her obligations in joining the EU will not put Cyprus in anymore “weaker” position that they are right now, since there are many other larger and more powerful countries that do not want Turkey in the EU club, therefore Cyprus is just one of many who hold the key to Turkey's entry possibilities. They may in fact be at the bottom of the list actually in having any influence in Turkey rejection in becoming a member. Cyprus in fact, openly support Turkey's EU entry, but not without conditions, of course.!

The way I see it, Cyprus will become the main influence regarding EU-Turkey future agreements over other countries in the EU club if the EU rejects Turkey's application as a full EU member, but relegated to EU privileged member, which will be short of a full membership, which almost all EU members will vote for, including such present hardliners like Germany, France, Austria, Netherlands and few others who are the "closet objectors". Without satisfactory results from Turkey on the Cyprus issue to satisfy the RoC, the RoC will become the most powerful EU member to deny Turkey to attain the EU privileged membership, therefore, I cannot agree with your assumption that if Turkey's EU chances are "frozen" that it will leave the RoC powerless. It will in fact make the RoC even more powerful if and when Turkey should accept to become a privileged EU member over a full membership for some determined time before becoming a full member.

If by chance Turkey should decide to forego the privileged membership EU status, then nothing has been lost for the RoC from what it is today. The time will always be on the Cyprus's side to “wait out” Turkey when it comes to the EU membership, regardless of Turkey's 70 Million population that you think the EU desperately needs for their market. 2004 has changed everything by "levelling the playing field" between Cyprus and Turkey, no matter how hard you may want to try and dismiss such reality, just because you do not want to accept the facts, but only your wishful fantasies.!