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[Kikapu]

I heard rumors, from a childhood lawyer friend, that the RoC government has employed the services of Turkish Cypriots, some of which are allegedly working in the “TRNC” equivalent of the land & admin department and other relevant areas, who are compiling lists of details of all foreigners who purchased GC property for the RoC!

For the right price, it seems the TCs are happy to dob in a Brit crim!

The case against the Orams was not just an innocent idea by a GC taking them to court to recover some money. Had that been the case, the "trnc" via the Orams could have settled the matter with Mr.A with a “out of court” settlement. NO, no, no, this was a very orchestrated attempt to get a landmark ruling within the EU which has been achieved, and all a while this case was going for the last 5 years, information had to have been collected on everyone in the north holding onto GC properties, including those who had been given "exchanged land". This was one of the benefits of opening the crossings after 30 years for this case to be successful, in that, all legal owners of such properties were able to go to the north and see who in fact were living on their properties. I'm in the belief, that the RoC has a complete dossier on all those involved in GC properties in the north.

It is very possible to get inside information even from an "Honest Society" if the price is right, which can be expensive at times, but getting inside information from a "Corrupted Society" is very easy and very cheap in comparison. Therefore GR, I don't think what you have stated is a "rumour" but a fact that has already happened.!

That does not surprise us one bit. We don't even come second in a two horse race with the RoC when it comes to corruption.

I don't think that is considered to be a corruption in protecting ones interest against morally corrupted individuals who are trying to steal others property. More like the RoC played as World Masters Chess Champions with the "trnc" and came away with a
Check-Mate and Game result at the end of it. I would hardly call that a "corruption".!

May I ask you why you are so protective of those who engaged in dealing with stolen GC properties. Should you not be condemning such criminal acts.? Do you want to tell us how much stolen GC property you have in your possession, if any, because you are acting like a sore loser since the ECJ ruling and not as cocky as you were before the ECJ ruling. There has been a definite a transformation has taken with you along with others. Have you all not been sleeping too well in the last 2 weeks or what.? Perhaps it is time for you all to go and confess your Sins of Haram to someone to bring much needed salvation for your souls.!

Kiks, I noted your first and hope the last mistake you have made.

Dont mention the sins of 'Haram'. (only if you must )

The Koran/Hadith says it is 'lawful' to steal from an unbeliever. True. That is what it says.

But Deniz, all religious people are believers, are they not, and most of the GC's are religious people.!

Now, if they had stolen from me, Miltiades, Piratis, and few other non believers here on the forum, well yeah, you are right, and that I screwed up.!

[Kikapu]

Is Turkish an official language of the RoC?

What is your real question.?

[AWE]

The real question is: if Turkish is an official language of the RoC, which I understand it is, then what happens if a defendant submitted(s) part or all of their defence in Turkish only to have it rejected by the judge as being in Turkish?

[denizaksulu]

The real question is: if Turkish is an official language of the RoC, which I understand it is, then what happens if a defendant submitted(s) part or all of their defence in Turkish only to have it rejected by the judge as being in Turkish?

[Kikapu]

The real question is: if Turkish is an official language of the RoC, which I understand it is, then what happens if a defendant submitted(s) part or all of their defence in Turkish only to have it rejected by the judge as being in Turkish?

When, where, what, who are we talking about.??

There are translators now if the judges do not speak Turkish, but in the past as I understand the 1960 constitution, that TC defendants were dealt with TC courts and the GC defendants were dealt with GC courts. Perhaps someone can correct the above if I'm wrong.

[YFred]

I heard rumors, from a childhood lawyer friend, that the RoC government has employed the services of Turkish Cypriots, some of which are allegedly working in the “TRNC” equivalent of the land & admin department and other relevant areas, who are compiling lists of details of all foreigners who purchased GC property for the RoC!

For the right price, it seems the TCs are happy to dob in a Brit crim!

The case against the Orams was not just an innocent idea by a GC taking them to court to recover some money. Had that been the case, the "trnc" via the Orams could have settled the matter with Mr.A with a “out of court” settlement. NO, no, no, this was a very orchestrated attempt to get a landmark ruling within the EU which has been achieved, and all a while this case was going for the last 5 years, information had to have been collected on everyone in the north holding onto GC properties, including those who had been given "exchanged land". This was one of the benefits of opening the crossings after 30 years for this case to be successful, in that, all legal owners of such properties were able to go to the north and see who in fact were living on their properties. I'm in the belief, that the RoC has a complete dossier on all those involved in GC properties in the north.

It is very possible to get inside information even from an "Honest Society" if the price is right, which can be expensive at times, but getting inside information from a "Corrupted Society" is very easy and very cheap in comparison. Therefore GR, I don't think what you have stated is a "rumour" but a fact that has already happened.!

That does not surprise us one bit. We don't even come second in a two horse race with the RoC when it comes to corruption.

I don't think that is considered to be a corruption in protecting ones interest against morally corrupted individuals who are trying to steal others property. More like the RoC played as World Masters Chess Champions with the "trnc" and came away with a
Check-Mate and Game result at the end of it. I would hardly call that a "corruption".!

May I ask you why you are so protective of those who engaged in dealing with stolen GC properties. Should you not be condemning such criminal acts.? Do you want to tell us how much stolen GC property you have in your possession, if any, because you are acting like a sore loser since the ECJ ruling and not as cocky as you were before the ECJ ruling. There has been a definite a transformation has taken with you along with others. Have you all not been sleeping too well in the last 2 weeks or what.? Perhaps it is time for you all to go and confess your Sins of Haram to someone to bring much needed salvation for your souls.!

Et Tu Kiks?
For the record I do not have any GC property in my possession what so ever and in fact The GCs are in possession of my land.

So Why do I object to the ruling?

1. The Orams did not have a fair trial in the GC court which will end up back in the EU court before this thing is over. I am confident they will win so long as the Judge is not another GC.
2. The GC court did not take into account that the TC who sold the property to the Orams has property in the south which is in the possesion of the ROC.
3. The Property issue is a political tool used by the RoC to suffocate the TCs
4. The TCs who have land in the south and have been unable to access it, have every right to do what they wish with the land that has been allocated to them as esdeger. This is common practice in all countries but is refered to as Lease arrangement. When and If the settlement happens all will be taken into considereation.
5. All this is, is the new Akritas plan to wipe out TCs from Cyprus using just economic methods.
6. There may be a few thousand TC involved in the selling and all the TCs are being punished - this particularly stinks.
7. But all in all, It stinks to high heaven that International law is allowed to be manipulated in this way.

[AWE]

I understand that the Os submitted their defence in Turkish and it was rejected by the judge as it was in Turkish.

If this is the case and is provable then I would hazard a guess that the UK CoA could find that they were not given a fair hearing and dismiss the claim to enforce the ruling of the RoC court.

The ECJ were asked to rule on the enforcement of judgements of one EU state in another and it is a basic part of the EU law that they are, but if the original case may be considered un-fair then it is likely that few if any courts will agree to an cross border enforcement. For example currently few EU courts are enforcing judgements from Romania as the court system their is consider corrupt and the judgements are not considered as fair.

[YFred]

I understand that the Os submitted their defence in Turkish and it was rejected by the judge as it was in Turkish.

If this is the case and is provable then I would hazard a guess that the UK CoA could find that they were not given a fair hearing and dismiss the claim to enforce the ruling of the RoC court.

The ECJ were asked to rule on the enforcement of judgements of one EU state in another and it is a basic part of the EU law that they are, but if the original case may be considered un-fair then it is likely that few if any courts will agree to an cross border enforcement. For example currently few EU courts are enforcing judgements from Romania as the court system their is consider corrupt and the judgements are not considered as fair.

UK court will accept the decision because it is not their concern. But this will be taken up later when the Orams appeal to EU courts for unfair trial and will win. Because the RoC court was crap, is crap and will always be crap.

[AWE]

I understand that the Os submitted their defence in Turkish and it was rejected by the judge as it was in Turkish.

If this is the case and is provable then I would hazard a guess that the UK CoA could find that they were not given a fair hearing and dismiss the claim to enforce the ruling of the RoC court.

The ECJ were asked to rule on the enforcement of judgements of one EU state in another and it is a basic part of the EU law that they are, but if the original case may be considered un-fair then it is likely that few if any courts will agree to an cross border enforcement. For example currently few EU courts are enforcing judgements from Romania as the court system their is consider corrupt and the judgements are not considered as fair.

UK court will accept the decision because it is not their concern. But this will be taken up later when the Orams appeal to EU courts for unfair trial and will win. Because the RoC court was crap, is crap and will always be crap.

Possibly but then the public policy defence comes in - how can it be the policy of the RoC to have Turkish as an official language yet the court(s) does/do not accept submission(s) in Turkish!

[AWE]

Anyway I am not sure that the submission was in Turkish but this is what I have heard.