The Best Cyprus Community

Skip to content


Beware Turks Having Visions

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby insan » Thu May 14, 2009 3:58 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:I'm serious. :)


Seriously deluded ... or just stupid insan?

Still, this is the right thread to pour out all those "visions" ...

yialousa1971 wrote:Beware Turks Having Visions


U r very short-sighted Oracle. U r incapable to envisage such unions. U need to study "regionalism" in a globalized world. First of all, u need to get rid of ur Turcho-phobia and prejudice towards Turks in order to digest such a regional union in Eastern Mediterennean...


Yes thank you Stalin for sharing your Megalomaniac visions. Your undemocratic social reconstruction experiments belong to a different era as we have moved on to harmonious co-operation within the EU. Good luck convincing your Turkic neighbours to trust you within their fold .... I take it this Turk-inspired collectivism is a visionary way of doing away with Human Rights altogether, thus negating improving the Turkish state from within ....


There's no way out dear. :)

Dr. Kaliber* continued his speech as follows:
Rise of regionalization of security thinking is one of the characteristic of the post-Cold War security argument.

Regionalization of security in world politics has existed after the Cold War related to the rising of soft security threats and new focuses on the energy politics. Turkey began to define it security system in the context of Eastern Mediterranean because of the diversification of threats and new economic opportunities in the region. Turkey is surrounded by many regions which these entire regions contain many problems. So, Turkey found itself in the middle of crises such as Kurdish autonomous region in Northern Iraq, Palestinian-Israeli conflict and etc. Therefore, after break up of the Soviet Union, new regions were created which played constructive role for Turkey's new security calculations because they are all close to Turkey.

Regionalization of Turkish security discourse has three sub elements:

1. Cyprus has very important geographical position for Turkey as a first element.

2. Energy security issue and Russian factor

e.g. Government of Republic of Cyprus purchase missiles from Russia which deeply concern the Turkey

3. Redefining of geopolitics of Cyprus, emerging the geopolitics implication and relocation of the Cyprus in the regional security dimension.


Regionalization of Turkey’s security outlook on Cyprus is one of the characteristics of post Cold War security thinking. Regions represent a kind of middle level between global and national level security interactions. Turkey’s Cyprus discourse does not constitute an exception to this.

In the last decade, we have had much more focus on regional security discourses arrangements. The regional security environment which Turkey was embedded has changed in the last decade. The post Cold War era created unstable regional environments, this means a new assertive role for Turkey in interstate conflicts, for instance in the Balkans, Caucasus and in the Middle East.

Geopolitical and strategic changes opened up new regions for Turkey’s sphere of influence. More assertive policies are needed between the regions such as Asia – Europe, Islam – West, and North – South. This created a new regional role of Turkey, support stability against instability. Turkey should be active in the region also because of Kurdish nationalism, and Islamic fundamentalism.

The discourse of encirclement continued in the last decade, still continues but altered. In the past, it was Greece which was treated as the biggest potential threat. The deal of S-300 missiles between Russia and the Greek Cypriots was not made only for Greek Cypriot interests. Russia aimed to weaken Turkey’s hands, and had more interests in the Mediterranean (e.g. Caspian oil and gas transportation) in expense to Turkey.

Exclusive policies for each region are needed for Turkey for instance, in the Middle East and in the Balkans. And this is something different than traditional policies.


http://cpc.emu.edu.tr/yazdir.asp?haber=60


Russian Minister: We Will Fight Globalisation With Regionalism

Turkey gives a great importance to the Eurasia Economic Cooperation initiative. Nevertheless, when you look at the most of the Eurasian countries, there is political instability. How to obtain economic stability when there is political instability?

- If you like, let’s think about it reverse. The reason why there is political instability in those countries is the bad state of their social and economic conduct. The Eurasia Economic Cooperation initiative will contribute to social and economic stability in these countries. This is our main aim. Such an evolution will also contribute to political stability in these countries. Today there is political and economic instability in this region. The Eurasian integration would reduce the risks.

- I know an initiative that you undertook in 2001. You started the Northern Dimension Forum initiative, which gathers the Third World countries together. Is the Third World concept revived because of the bad effects of globalisation?

- I would like to answer this question without giving a concrete example. There are some advantages to take from globalisation. For instance, laws are unified, and according to that, there is a kind of liberation. Though, beside these advantages, there are also risks. The best remedy against these risks created by globalisation is regionalism. For this reason, the Eurasia Economic Cooperation is established. There is the Shanghai Group. And there is the European Union for years now.

- So what do you think about the European Union membership of Turkey?

- First of all, the most important thing is how Turkey and the European Union consider the issue. We consider this as a very important target, which put Turkey to itself. To reach this target, Turkey has a lot to change not only in political area, but also in economics and social area. As far as we know Turkey is very successful in this. To put such a target encourages also reaching that target. But then the issue depends only on tactics. Therefore it would not be correct for me to discuss these nuances.


http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=245



Globalization and Regionalism: A double challenge for Greece --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Loukas Tsoukalis (ed.)
edition: 2001, pages: 127
The book presents the minutes of the Conference on “Globalization and Regionalism: A Double Challenge for Greece” organised by the Hellenic Observatory of the European Institute at the London School of Economics in cooperation with ELIAMEP in March 2001. The aim of the conference was that it would contribute to a better understanding of globalisation and regionalism as they affect all European Union countries and Greece in particular.


http://www.eliamep.gr/en/tag/greece/page/3/

Regionalism: A Case of Region Building?
Stephen Calleya focuses on sub-regionalism as a tool of region building withinthe EMP. This paper’s main concern is the question of whether, in view of thepresent EMP difficulties, subdividing the southern Mediterranean into varioussub-regions (such as the Maghreb and the Mashreq) may be an efficient toolof region building. By taking account of regional relations among southern Mediterranean states and sub-regional initiatives, Calleya discusses several op-tions and conditions under which sub-regionalism within the EMP could con-tribute to Euro-Mediterranean region building. Calleya argues that if the EUis serious about having a significant positive impact on regional integration inthe Mediterranean in the short term, it is necessary to develop an adequatestrategy for supporting more directly all regional sub-groupings in the southern Mediterranean.


http://www.ciaonet.org/wps/ucb015/CIAO_ucb015.pdf
User avatar
insan
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 9044
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:33 pm
Location: Somewhere in ur network. ;]

Postby Oracle » Thu May 14, 2009 4:07 pm

insan wrote:There's no way out dear. :)


You're the only one stuck in a quagmire. For all your pitiful desires to appear progressive, all you are serving to do by reproducing Internet gleaned "pamphlets" is prove how out of touch you are with systems already in place. Just because you are not part of them, it doesn't mean there is a void ... only in your mind!
User avatar
Oracle
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 23507
Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:13 am
Location: Anywhere but...

Postby insan » Thu May 14, 2009 4:22 pm

Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:There's no way out dear. :)


You're the only one stuck in a quagmire. For all your pitiful desires to appear progressive, all you are serving to do by reproducing Internet gleaned "pamphlets" is prove how out of touch you are with systems already in place. Just because you are not part of them, it doesn't mean there is a void ... only in your mind!


Don't cry me a river, dear. I just wanted to inform u a little regarding the ongoing process of regionalism in a globalizing world.

Welcome to Turco-Helleno(or if u like Helleno-Turco union) union within the Mediterranean Union of Sarkoszy. :D
User avatar
insan
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 9044
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:33 pm
Location: Somewhere in ur network. ;]

Postby YFred » Thu May 14, 2009 5:10 pm

insan wrote:
Oracle wrote:
insan wrote:There's no way out dear. :)


You're the only one stuck in a quagmire. For all your pitiful desires to appear progressive, all you are serving to do by reproducing Internet gleaned "pamphlets" is prove how out of touch you are with systems already in place. Just because you are not part of them, it doesn't mean there is a void ... only in your mind!


Don't cry me a river, dear. I just wanted to inform u a little regarding the ongoing process of regionalism in a globalizing world.

Welcome to Turco-Helleno(or if u like Helleno-Turco union) union within the Mediterranean Union of Sarkoszy. :D

No that's a union that I like. Can you imagine Greece Turkey and Cyprus all in one - problem solved? Now who in their right mind would object to this idea?
User avatar
YFred
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 12100
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:22 am
Location: Lurucina-Upon-Thames

Postby Nikitas » Thu May 14, 2009 6:45 pm

What a load of crap! A union between Greece Turkey and Cyprus would have only one benefit I can see, the daily violations by Turkish jets over Greek islands would cease, since by definition they would not be violations any more. Not because the Turks would stop flying jets over peoples houses.
Nikitas
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 7420
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:49 pm

Postby insan » Thu May 14, 2009 7:31 pm

Nikitas wrote:What a load of crap! A union between Greece Turkey and Cyprus would have only one benefit I can see, the daily violations by Turkish jets over Greek islands would cease, since by definition they would not be violations any more. Not because the Turks would stop flying jets over peoples houses.


Just another prejudiced, Turco-Phobic. :lol:
User avatar
insan
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 9044
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:33 pm
Location: Somewhere in ur network. ;]

Postby The Cypriot » Thu May 14, 2009 7:58 pm

halil wrote:BUt u missed this part :
Our one is little bit different than your one because they were here in 1974. His claims are between 1963-1974 period which ROC failed to protect his life and properties . In north he did not get any GC property . he lives in my sister property .


I don't see things in terms of OUR and YOUR (that's so 1960s and 1970s). I see things in terms of humans and rights.

And a Cypriot who has their rights violated, regardless of which ethnic or religious background they come from, should be able to seek justice legally. And EU law enables all to do so. And I hope more Cypriots do so.
User avatar
The Cypriot
Regular Contributor
Regular Contributor
 
Posts: 2326
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:27 pm

Postby The Cypriot » Thu May 14, 2009 8:20 pm

insan wrote:
Nikitas wrote:What a load of crap! A union between Greece Turkey and Cyprus would have only one benefit I can see, the daily violations by Turkish jets over Greek islands would cease, since by definition they would not be violations any more. Not because the Turks would stop flying jets over peoples houses.


Just another prejudiced, Turco-Phobic. :lol:


Phobic means fear...

Perhaps the Cypriot part of you, if there is any, should take a while to consider why so many of Turkey's neighbours fear her so much. And then the Turkish part of you, of which there's no denying, should take a while to consider how Turkey might allay these fears.
User avatar
The Cypriot
Regular Contributor
Regular Contributor
 
Posts: 2326
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:27 pm

Postby insan » Thu May 14, 2009 8:59 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
insan wrote:
Nikitas wrote:What a load of crap! A union between Greece Turkey and Cyprus would have only one benefit I can see, the daily violations by Turkish jets over Greek islands would cease, since by definition they would not be violations any more. Not because the Turks would stop flying jets over peoples houses.


Just another prejudiced, Turco-Phobic. :lol:


Phobic means fear...

Perhaps the Cypriot part of you, if there is any, should take a while to consider why so many of Turkey's neighbours fear her so much. And then the Turkish part of you, of which there's no denying, should take a while to consider how Turkey might allay these fears.


SIMITIS' TURCOPHOBIA
In order to counteract the overwhelming opposition of Greek public opinion to the NATO operation against Yugoslavia, Greek Prime Minister Simitis issued anti-Turkish statements emphasizing alleged Turkish aggression in the Aegean. Simitis said, "Now that Turks have invaded a large portion of Cyprus, we have to maintain our full cooperation with NATO in order to overcome the peril to ourselves." Reiterating the Greek stance against any military operation on behalf of political and diplomatic negotiations, however, Simitis stated for the first time that the Greek government "condemn the ethnic `liquidation' by Serbs in Kosovo."


As long as some self-interest groups or individuals feed Turcophobia in favour of their interests; it's too difficult for Turks to eradicate Turcophobia. Either the ordinary people should be very knowledged and aware of what's really going on or Turks should exert a great deal to at least neutralize the attempts of those who exploit the historic rooted Turcophobia with allegations, exagerrations and ill-intentions.

I hope ur Cypriot part is aware of this and ur human part, if there is any; is capable to understand how difficult for Turks to eradicate Turcophobia under such circumstances.[/quote]
User avatar
insan
Main Contributor
Main Contributor
 
Posts: 9044
Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:33 pm
Location: Somewhere in ur network. ;]

Postby Oracle » Thu May 14, 2009 9:08 pm

insan wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
insan wrote:
Nikitas wrote:What a load of crap! A union between Greece Turkey and Cyprus would have only one benefit I can see, the daily violations by Turkish jets over Greek islands would cease, since by definition they would not be violations any more. Not because the Turks would stop flying jets over peoples houses.


Just another prejudiced, Turco-Phobic. :lol:


Phobic means fear...

Perhaps the Cypriot part of you, if there is any, should take a while to consider why so many of Turkey's neighbours fear her so much. And then the Turkish part of you, of which there's no denying, should take a while to consider how Turkey might allay these fears.


SIMITIS' TURCOPHOBIA
In order to counteract the overwhelming opposition of Greek public opinion to the NATO operation against Yugoslavia, Greek Prime Minister Simitis issued anti-Turkish statements emphasizing alleged Turkish aggression in the Aegean. Simitis said, "Now that Turks have invaded a large portion of Cyprus, we have to maintain our full cooperation with NATO in order to overcome the peril to ourselves." Reiterating the Greek stance against any military operation on behalf of political and diplomatic negotiations, however, Simitis stated for the first time that the Greek government "condemn the ethnic `liquidation' by Serbs in Kosovo."


As long as some self-interest groups or individuals feed Turcophobia in favour of their interests; it's too difficult for Turks to eradicate Turcophobia. Either the ordinary people should be very knowledged and aware of what's really going on or Turks should exert a great deal to at least neutralize the attempts of those who exploit the historic rooted Turcophobia with allegations, exagerrations and ill-intentions.

I hope ur Cypriot part is aware of this and ur human part, if there is any; is capable to understand how difficult for Turks to eradicate Turcophobia under such circumstances.


Excuses, excuses, excuses! :roll:
User avatar
Oracle
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 23507
Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:13 am
Location: Anywhere but...

PreviousNext

Return to Cyprus Problem

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests